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[entremet]

Isn't Obama more of a 'christian' by their books?

Nah. He's a socialist atheist Muslim.

But with all seriousness, the fact that he's pro choice and support gay rights and gay marriage probably doesn't sit right with them. Even if he did not, they would hold the fact that he's a Democrat against him.

 

[Measley]

Even if Obama does win tomorrow I'm still not looking forward to at least a minimum of two years of grid lock. Obama was quite passive with the debt ceiling fiasco for instance, what will he do differently this time around?

Obama will probably use a lot more executive power, and I'm sure Republicans will cry about it.

What I find most interesting are the historians saying that if Obama wins and the economy pulls in 12-17 million more jobs as expected, it's going to be very hard for Republicans to win in 2016. This is on top of the demographic changes where the white conservative vote becomes less and less influential in national politics. Meanwhile, Latinos and Asians join Blacks and religious minorities in voting overwhelmingly blue.. In short, we could be looking at Dems controlling the white house for decades.

This assumes of course that the GOP doesnt push to moderate itself from the hard right.

 

[Goodlife]

Even if Obama does win tomorrow I'm still not looking forward to at least a minimum of two years of grid lock. Obama was quite passive with the debt ceiling fiasco for instance, what will he do differently this time around?

This time around though he doesn't have to worry about reelection. I guess that's the good thing about this American 2 terms rule, you can impose yourself a bit more during your second term.

 

[Salvor.Hardin]

Isn't there usually a decreased level of obstruction from the opposition during the incumbent's second term?

 

[Rebel Leader]

This time around though he doesn't have to worry about reelection. I guess that's the good thing about this American 2 terms rule, you can impose yourself a bit more during your second term.

That's what I'm thinking about too

 

[Phreaker]

Final NC poll from PPP: O 49, R 49. Here we go!!

 

[Lathentar]

Even if Obama does win tomorrow I'm still not looking forward to at least a minimum of two years of grid lock. Obama was quite passive with the debt ceiling fiasco for instance, what will he do differently this time around?

With the Bush Tax Cuts and the automatic budget cuts triggering at the end of the year. Grid lock will automatically cause taxes to go up on everyone and a massive decrease in defense spending. If Obama lets this happen, all the chips are on his side of the table. Without having to worry about reelection he can negotiate on his terms. Obama can now offer a plan to cuts taxes (but on his terms) and offer a plan to raise defense and other spending (on his terms).

It will be interesting to see if he lets it play out like that.

 

[methane47]

My friend in Penn said he's voting for Romney because of his stance on Oil/Coal/Energy

Sighhh

 

[Felix Lighter]

My friend in Penn said he's voting for Romney because of his stance on Oil/Coal/Energy

Sighhh

I guess those commercials are working.

 

[Takamura-San]

My friend in Penn said he's voting for Romney because of his stance on Oil/Coal/Energy

Sighhh

Did he let you argue that decision?

 

[Tobor]

Isn't there usually a decreased level of obstruction from the opposition during the incumbent's second term?

If there ever was, those days are long gone. I fully expect an impeachment attempt assuming Obama wins.

 

[Rocket Scientist]

I just found out I got a 15 buck referal bonus from signing a friend up to bwin. was going to put it all on Obama, but I would get 17.70 back from 15 down.

How does the referal thing work?

 

[Dash27]

Isn't Obama more of a 'christian' by their books?

He is a man of deep faith. Jesus wants us to have socialized healthcare and bail out the auto industry while morally taxing the rich more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6msJWsmvTo

 

[Anoregon]

I really hope I get power back before tomorrow night. I like having comedy central coverage going while I'm on my computer playing vidyagaems.

 

[methane47]

Did he let you argue that decision?

He already voted (absentee) Sooo i didnt bother wasting my time.

how is it that i'm not american, live thousands of miles from america... but am more informed about american politics than many of my American peers.

 

[FieryBalrog]

On the other hand, I think the human mind is a powerful thing. "Why should my money be taken to support others?"

More like, why should my money be poured into the sprawling and inefficient swamp of the federal bureaucracy to "help others".

 

[Nyx]

My friend in Penn said he's voting for Romney because of his stance on Oil/Coal/Energy

Sighhh

There were some quotes of Americans in a Dutch paper this morning, one said:

I'm voting Romney cause I'm against gays and abortion

 

[BertramCooper]

My friend in Penn said he's voting for Romney because of his stance on Oil/Coal/Energy

Sighhh

That's basically all of my coworkers, since I work for a electric utility.

 

[SteveWinwood]

Over the weekend This American Life did a really great episode called "Red State Blue State" about the increased polarization of American politics. If you have an hour to kill I'd really recommend listening to it.

http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/478/red-state-blue-state#play

I think it's a perfect cap to me following this political election season and ending with me casting my ballot tomorrow.

 

[The_Darkest_Red]

That's basically all of my coworkers, since I work for a electric utility.

Same here, I'm in the coal industry.

 

[mclem]

There were some quotes of Americans in a Dutch paper this morning, one said:

I'm voting Romney cause I'm against gays and abortion

I can't help but wonder how he'd feel about aborting gays.

 

[pigeon]

He is a man of deep faith. Jesus wants us to have socialized healthcare and bail out the auto industry while morally taxing the rich more.

In fairness, he does basically say all that stuff in the Bible.

 

[TheContact]

just got a call from my lawyer who told me to vote for Romney because Obama is 'all talk, and didn't do anything while the embassy was being attacked and would rather be on a golf course" =X

 

[Oni Jazar]

There were some quotes of Americans in a Dutch paper this morning, one said:

I see this billboard going to work everyday:

 

[Takamura-San]

Same here, I'm in the coal industry.

How many positions does romney have on Coal/oil?

I haven't followed him on that.

 

[udllpn]

I'm still laughing.

I'm surprised nobody has posted the caption yet:

The choices we make Tuesday could have MASSIVE and PERMANENT effects on the charts on Nate Silver's blog!

 

[speedline]

just got a call from my lawyer who told me to vote for Romney because Obama is 'all talk, and didn't do anything while the embassy was being attacked and would rather be on a golf course" =X

Well your lawyer is not wrong.

 

[RDreamer]

I see this billboard going to work everyday:

I do!

It's funny how attack ads now push me further into supporting Democrats than sometimes the Dem's real ads do. In Wisconsin Tammy Baldwin has been hammered hard for supporting single payer healthcare and a few other things, and I'm just like "Hey, sign me the fuck up!"

 

[phosphor112]

Over the weekend This American Life did a really great episode called "Red State Blue State" about the increased polarization of American politics. If you have an hour to kill I'd really recommend listening to it.

http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/478/red-state-blue-state#play

I think it's a perfect cap to me following this political election season and ending with me casting my ballot tomorrow.

I FREAKING LOVE THIS AMERICAN LIFE.

 

[Trigger]

I voted early Friday and was surprised at how quickly it went (about 35 mins). I hope the weather hasn't hurt the election process too bad.

 

[mclem]

In fairness, he does basically say all that stuff in the Bible.

I think you're missing something:

And the lepers and the madmen and the diseased came unto the Lord.
And they asked the Lord to heal them.
And the Lord looked at them appraisingly, counting on his fingers.
And the Lord spake unto them, saying You people have got to stop relying on my handouts.
For my power is Great and Mighty, and if You would pull Yourselves up by Your bootstraps, your power could be mighty too.
And there was a wailing and a gnashing of teeth, and a leper spake thus - But we are not the Son of God, we are not blessed with the privileges you got at birth
And the Lord smote him, and said Look, leave me alone, you're cramping my style
And they left him alone, and his style was no longer cramped

 

[Tobor]

Over the weekend This American Life did a really great episode called "Red State Blue State" about the increased polarization of American politics. If you have an hour to kill I'd really recommend listening to it.

http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/478/red-state-blue-state#play

I think it's a perfect cap to me following this political election season and ending with me casting my ballot tomorrow.

Seconded. I listened to this yesterday. Truly fascinating.

 

[Wes]

Have there been any estimates on overall turnout %?

 

[Orbis Tabula]

Sorry if this has been asked a ton throughout the thread, but when is the best time to start watching coverage. Like when should results from the first state start rolling in?

 

[The_Darkest_Red]

How many positions does romney have on Coal/oil?

I haven't followed him on that.

Long story short, the coal industry is in a major decline right now primarily due to cheap natural gas and various new regulations passed by the EPA during Obama's presidency. Romney has been a vocal supporter of the coal industry and he is in support of lessening some of the regulations that have been passed recently which is why almost everyone in this area of the country (Southwest VA, Eastern KY, all of WV, and certain parts of PA) will be voting for him (as coal is really the only industry present here).

I'm not trying to get into an argument with anyone about the pros and cons of coal, I've done that enough here on GAF, just trying to answer your question as succinctly as possible.

 

[speedline]

Sorry if this has been asked a ton throughout the thread, but when is the best time to start watching coverage. Like when should results from the first state start rolling in?

6pm what what I hear because the polls will start to close on the east coast and the numbers will begin coming in quickly.

 

[Takamura-San]

Long story short, the coal industry is in a major decline right now primarily due to cheap natural gas and various new regulations passed by the EPA during Obama's presidency. Romney has been a vocal supporter of the coal industry and he is in support of lessening some of the regulations that have been passed recently which is why almost everyone in this area of the country (Southwest VA, Eastern KY, all of WV, and certain parts of PA) will be voting for him (as coal is really the only industry present here).

I'm not trying to get into an argument with anyone about the pros and cons of coal, I've done that enough here on GAF, just trying to answer your question as succinctly as possible.

Thank you.

If you don't mind linking some of your arguments over PM on Coal I would like to read them.

 

[Zabka]

Long story short, the coal industry is in a major decline right now primarily due to cheap natural gas and various new regulations passed by the EPA during Obama's presidency. Romney has been a vocal supporter of the coal industry and he is in support of lessening some of the regulations that have been passed recently which is why almost everyone in this area of the country (Southwest VA, Eastern KY, all of WV, and certain parts of PA) will be voting for him (as coal is really the only industry present here).

I'm not trying to get into an argument with anyone about the pros and cons of coal, I've done that enough here on GAF, just trying to answer your question as succinctly as possible.

Another topic on which Romney has changed his tune since being Governor.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...says-romney-once-said-coal-burning-plant-kil/

Obama said Romney has changed his tune about coal, claiming that in Massachusetts he "stood in front of a coal plant and pointed at it and said, ‘This plant kills.’"

Romney was the newly elected governor when a showdown erupted over the coal-burning Salem Harbor Power Station. Obama quoted Romney accurately when he said the governor entered the controversy by saying the plant "kills people."

We rate his statement True.

 

[alstein]

Obama will probably use a lot more executive power, and I'm sure Republicans will cry about it.

What I find most interesting are the historians saying that if Obama wins and the economy pulls in 12-17 million more jobs as expected, it's going to be very hard for Republicans to win in 2016. This is on top of the demographic changes where the white conservative vote becomes less and less influential in national politics. Meanwhile, Latinos and Asians join Blacks and religious minorities in voting overwhelmingly blue.. In short, we could be looking at Dems controlling the white house for decades.

This assumes of course that the GOP doesnt push to moderate itself from the hard right.

There's two potential good ends from this election

1) Obama landslide to the point where the Reps can't win with the Old South, and will have to no longer cater to the Old South. I don't know if 2012 will do this. We'll probably end up with a Republican party split if this happens, with Southern racists forming their own party, and many Dems becoming Reps. (I could be one of those, I did vote Republican before 2004)

2) Obama wins in a screwjob and loses the popular vote, causing an outcry to abolish the electoral college.

 

[SteveWinwood]

Romney? Just saying whatever to get elected? He wouldn't do that... would he?

 

[udllpn]

What do you think about the early data from Ohio?

I have always been a believer in data telling me the full story. Truth is, nobody knows what will happen on Election Day. But here is what we do know: 220,000 fewer Democrats have voted early in Ohio compared with 2008. And 30,000 more Republicans have cast their ballots compared with four years ago. That is a 250,000-vote net increase for a state Obama won by 260,000 votes in 2008.

When I saw these numbers the first thing I thought was that this is the only data that somehow is slightly surprising, taking into account that the polls in Ohio mark a clear advantage to Obama. If I'm not mistaken Obama won in this State with around a 7% margin in 2008, so in a way this may just point to a narrower victory.

 

[alstein]

What do you think about the early data from Ohio?



When I saw these numbers the first thing I thought was that this is the only data that somehow is slightly surprising, taking into account that the polls in Ohio mark a clear advantage to Obama. If I'm not mistaken Obama won in this State with around a 7% margin in 2008, so in a way this may just point to a narrower victory.

I suspect vote totals for both parties will be higher, slightly moreso for Republicans, than 2008, marginally so for Democrats.

Fact is, given how the parties have polarized, it's going to take serious events for an election to not be razor-tight in the future. 2008 had some serious events. A future demographic shift might be another serious event as well.

 

[RDreamer]

What do you think about the early data from Ohio?

When I saw these numbers the first thing I thought was that this is the only data that somehow is slightly surprising, taking into account that the polls in Ohio mark a clear advantage to Obama. If I'm not mistaken Obama won in this State with around a 7% margin in 2008, so in a way this may just point to a narrower victory.

As far as I know party registration in Ohio goes for whatever primary you voted in last. There wasn't a democratic primary, thus there are a lot of "registered" republicans comparatively.

 

[BertramCooper]

The thing about the EPA regulations is that a lot of them have been in the pipeline for ages. This isn't a process that just started with the Obama administration, though they've definitely accelerated it.

And yeah, the natural gas boom is killing coal more than anything else. And I can't imagine there's been a net loss in jobs from the switch to coal to natural gas. In eastern Ohio, the gains in natural gas more than offset the losses from coal. It's not even close.

 

[Dash27]

In fairness, he does basically say all that stuff in the Bible.

I think it takes a little something away from the charity aspect when the IRS fines you or puts you in jail if you dont comply.

 

[soul creator]

I think it takes a little something away from the charity aspect when the IRS fines you or puts you in jail if you dont comply.

better than Hell at least.

 

[Dabanton]

I'm still laughing.

That is masterful.

lol

 

[Dash27]

I suspect vote totals for both parties will be higher, slightly moreso for Republicans, than 2008, marginally so for Democrats.

You feel like Democrats will outperform 2008? If that happens or even close Obama wins huge. Romney probably pulls in more than McCain but who knows by how much.

 

[Phreaker]

I do!

It's funny how attack ads now push me further into supporting Democrats than sometimes the Dem's real ads do. In Wisconsin Tammy Baldwin has been hammered hard for supporting single payer healthcare and a few other things, and I'm just like "Hey, sign me the fuck up!"

Right? I read that and I'm like yes, yes I do.

 

[pigeon]

I think it takes a little something away from the charity aspect when the IRS fines you or puts you in jail if you dont comply.

Just think of it as throwing the money changers out of the temple.