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United States Election: Nov 6, 2012 |OT| - Barack Obama Re-elected

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StayDead

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I'm not American, I'm from the UK but all I can say is THANK THE DIETY (whichever you support or none if you're me) that Obama won.

Romney was the most backwards person I've ever seen and if he'd have won the election, by god I don't know what would happen to the world.

Four more years! Four more years! :D
 
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Mael

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Tenck said:
You do know our own people made it a pain in the ass for him right? Now with more Democratic seats in the house, he might actually get shit done. That's not to say all is forgiven, but we need to see what actions he takes before we're criticizing Obama in his second term.
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Well yeah I'm very much aware of that.
But seriously I may the only guy in my country not thinking he's Jesus back from the grave already.
I'm more than aware of his successes and failures, I still don't think he's a good choice (he was the best no question here).
Again at least you've got someone who want to improve things, I wish I was so lucky
 
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XMonkey

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Well, that certainly triggered some interesting responses from kurt. I'd have to agree with a few others... you don't really know what you're talking about, sorry. I mean that in the most sincere way possible.
 
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kurtrussell

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XMonkey said:
Well, that certainly triggered some interesting responses from kurt. I'd have to agree with a few others... you don't really know what you're talking about, sorry. I mean that in the most sincere way possible.
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You say that to me as if I'm the person defining liberal as "still right wing, but slightly less so"

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Tenck

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Mael said:
Well yeah I'm very much aware of that.
But seriously I may the only guy in my country not thinking he's Jesus back from the grave already.
I'm more than aware of his successes and failures, I still don't think he's a good choice (he was the best no question here).
Again at least you've got someone who want to improve things, I wish I was so lucky
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You're not the only one who thinks that way. Myself, being an American, don't find him to be a savior we need, but like you said he's the best we have right now. Just hope we get change we need now because the whole country is at each other's throat right now.
 
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UltimaPooh

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kurtrussell said:
You say that to me as if I'm the person defining liberal as "still right wing, but slightly less so"

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That just proves it. Liberal in the United States IS that as of right now.

You don't just go from years of conservatism and backwards economic/tax policies to liberal socialism over night in the most powerful nation in the world. Gonna take sometime.

Barrack Obama is certainly a step in the right direction. No way around it.

Also Kurt... if you knew anything you would know that the ballots had a Libertarian candidate on it and my state had a fourth candidate on it for the constitution party.

You know what? I didn't think they were good enough to run the country over Barrack Obama. I did have choices. In fact in most of the races in my state I got to choose from at least 3 different parties.
 
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lednerg

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The Supreme Court is what this was mainly all about for me. They're the ones who made the nightmare of Citizens United a reality. They're also the ones who could overturn Roe V Wade if given the chance, and a whole slew of other things we haven't even thought of.

Second most important would be getting our taxes back to how they were in out most prosperous times. Even fucking Ben Stein can agree with that one, and I don't agree with that guy often. There was even a collection of over 80 of US's top CEO's who pleaded with both candidates to raise taxes for revenue. Enough of this short-term "I got mine" bullshit already.
 
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More Fun To Compute

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International community doesn't care what Obama has accomplished. For him not to do anything and deadlock US politics is enough to let us sleep easier knowing that you have not yet voted for pure unfiltered insanity.
 
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OttomanScribe

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Amazing commentary.
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kurtrussell

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UltimaPooh said:
Also Kurt... if you knew anything you would know that the ballots had a Libertarian candidate on it and my state had a fourth candidate on it for the constitution party.
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Yup, and I thought there were some excellent points raised on foreign policy during Monday's third party debate - Gary Johnson came out of it looking strong. This makes it even more frustrating that realistically, it's still a two-party election where you get to choose between two right wing candidates playing at being slightly different sides of the spectrum.
 
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Mael

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Tenck said:
You're not the only one who thinks that way. Myself, being an American, don't find him to be a savior we need, but like you said he's the best we have right now. Just hope we get change we need now because the whole country is at each other's throat right now.
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<rant mode on>
Don't EVER trust a politician that campaign on Change. EVER.
We had that just this year, despite being fairly embarrassing for everyone involved the whole point of this shitty campaign was to oust the incumbent which everyone wanted out by 6 months he was in office.
Now the whole thing that was behind it, the program if you will is nothing but a reenactement of the last time his party was in office mean it's back to the future only shitty this time.
People only wanted the other guy and now they're realising just how bad the newly elected president is.
It's not getting any better that's for sure, they're wasting everyone's time by doing shit nobody cares about and making bad laws after bad laws.
<rant mode off>

That said from this side of the ocean it sure doesn't feel like things have gotten worse, I mean sure you got the Tea Party but it's still better than your usual republicans.
 
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GrotesqueBeauty

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kurtrussell said:
WTF? Seriously, I have no investment in either side. Just pointing out that from an international perspective, Obama is perhaps one of the most innefectual presidents I've seen. The man promised the world and delivered... well not much really. Surprised that your country was willing to put up with another four years of stagnation, really.

Oh, and don't give me that Killed Osama BS. You think he was directly responsible for that? Please :-\
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Well then, thanks for proving how not invested in any particular side you are. I find this particularly rich considering how hawkish Obama has been overall.
 
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herod

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kurtrussell said:
NO DISCUSSION ON DISCUSSION FORUM ALLOWED. K THX BYE!

...but seriously, yeah, I posted an opinion that you'll find often repeated in the international community. I know it's kind of hard for you Americans to grasp, but America != the world, and Obama has obviously stealth-achieved a lot more than is apparent internationally. Either that or you guys are drinking a metric shit-ton of kool aid.
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on behalf of britain, please stop posting
 
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EatChildren

Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Congratulations to Michael Obanana for winning the 2012 American Erection race god bless.
 
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Mael

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kurtrussell said:
Sucks. Is the ridiculous 75% income tax rate still going through?
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They're putting that in but they'll avoid to tax football players and sports people, musicians and basically the clientèle that support them.
In short, if you're actually working for your hard earned money you're shit out of luck.
Also if you invest in housing or in a corporation (the overwhelming number of companies here are small companies with less than 500 employees with a ration like 80-20 or something like that) you're get a tax hike, if you invest in art pieces you get a tax relief.
It's in favour of the rich even more than it was before!
I can't actually believe we elected the most conservative candidate in years.

Also one huge difference between here and the US, when nothing happens (Carter) people hate it in the US it seems, when nothing happens here (Chirac) people can't get enough of it.
 
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Curufinwe

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10 Right-Wingers Who Got Election 2012 Hilariously Wrong

Joel Pollack: Feel the Christiementum!

Moving down the food chain, we get to Joel Pollack, the &#8220;editor-in-chief and in-house council&#8221; for Breitbart's Big Government. Pollack decided that Chris Christie's decision to snub Mitt Romney and sing Barack Obama's praise is rock-solid proof that Romney's going to clean Obama's clock next Tuesday. &#8220;The truth about Christie&#8217;s outreach to Obama is blindingly obvious,&#8221; he wrote . &#8220;Mitt Romney is now running away with this election, freeing Christie to praise the president without fear that doing so will tip the scales.&#8221;
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faceless007

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I see where Kurt's coming from. It's the same frustration that caused a lot of us to seriously consider voting third-party this time. Obama is a centrist conservative in a lot of key ways, and being a member of one of the two major parties is just as beholden to moneyed interests and the military industrial surveillance state as the Republicans. So I can understand why the overwhelming celebratory gloating from self-professed liberals can seem odd, as if they think tonight were really a victory for serious liberal causes.

That said, I think the election can also be seen as an unqualified rebuke by Americans of the unhinged Republican philosophy -- of promising to repeal urgently needed health care reform, of tax cuts for the rich, of placing further restriction's on women's rights, of assuming government can be run like a business -- and in that sense this was a liberal victory. Even with the economy in the state it is, the American people looked at the guy campaigning in the somewhat more liberal direction and the guy promising to roll back everything he had done, and proclaimed that they still trusted the first guy more. That's a body-blow to conservatives who insist that the country is center-right and secretly agree with them, and it's is a necessary step on the way to a true solution to health care reform. There are certainly ways in which Obama is absolutely appalling on human rights issues and civil liberties, but given that both the two parties are basically equivalent on those, this election can't be seen as a referendum on them anyway, much as I do think the American people should care more about them.
 
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lednerg

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The problem most Democrats have with Obama is that he isn't liberal enough. Be it drone attacks or matters of privacy, we're mostly on the same page in being somewhat disappointed in some important areas. But that doesn't somehow make Mitt the same or better. In fact, we basically just dodged a bullet. Mitt wouldn't have improved anything whatsoever outside of his friends' wallets. His policies have been tried already and they failed time and time again - sometimes with global consequences. He may not have been quite as bad as Dubya, but the two of them sure do like to listen to the same people and recite the same old bullshit.
 
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cdyhybrid

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faceless007 said:
I see where Kurt's coming from. It's the same frustration that caused a lot of us to seriously consider voting third-party this time. Obama is a centrist conservative in a lot of key ways, and being a member of one of the two major parties is just as beholden to moneyed interests and the military industrial surveillance state as the Republicans. So I can understand why the overwhelming celebratory gloating from self-professed liberals can seem odd, as if they think tonight were really a victory for serious liberal causes.

That said, I think the election can also be seen as an unqualified rebuke by Americans of the unhinged Republican philosophy -- of promising to repeal urgently needed health care reform, of tax cuts for the rich, of placing further restriction's on women's rights, of assuming government can be run like a business -- and in that sense this was a liberal victory. Even with the economy in the state it is, the American people looked at the guy campaigning in the somewhat more liberal direction and the guy promising to roll back everything he had done, and proclaimed that they still trusted the first guy more. That's a body-blow to conservatives who insist that the country is center-right and secretly agree with them, and it's is a necessary step on the way to a true solution to health care reform. There are certainly ways in which Obama is absolutely appalling on human rights issues and civil liberties, but given that both the two parties are basically equivalent on those, this election can't be seen as a referendum on them anyway, much as I do think the American people should care more about them.
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This is the main reason I am celebrating the results of the election. In order for this country to truly improve, we need both parties to come to the table with reasonable and viable plans. This election cycle did not provide that, and I am hopeful that the results force the Republicans to reevaluate their priorities.
 
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SteveWD40

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Jintor said:
hahahahaha

we're all godless heathens over here, cohabiting with poisonous reptiles who live on free healthcare and no guns
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I know, I lived in Australia for a year, my Sister has lived their for 8 years and counting, it's the last place a right wing lunatic would want to live unless she is planning on living out in the sticks. Sydney is as gay as anywhere on Earth for example.
 
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verbum

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Some interesting results:

Mia Love (R) lost the Utah US Representative race to Jim Matheson (D) by less than 1%. She has conceded.

Here in Georgia, John Barrow (D) kept his seat. The last white Democratic representative from the deep South. He had to run a hard right campaign because the state Republicans drew him a new district with a majority Republican electorate. I voted for him. He will support Obama.

Good to see Obama able to finish some of the things he started.
I have a letter ready to go to Senator Jim Demint of SC. It is crowing over the election. He will never read it but it makes me feel good to send it. Also I'm sending one to the Georgia senators as well. I'm glad to see these Tea Party southern politicians eat some Jim Crow. I feel so good.
 
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nubbe

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It's fun when you look at counties maps on states... 80% of the area is republican and yet the electoral vote goes to the democrats.

Why are red necks republican when democrats would server their interests better?
 
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I mean, maybe I'm just hopelessly misinformed here, but did anyone actually think Romney had a chance post "40-something percent of Americans think they deserve etc etc" leak?
 
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Mael

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Steelrain said:
Well, so much for opinions.
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I don't think I have word strong enough to describe how much I despise the Tea Party (this one or the Boston one but that's for another thread) and I think that if they met me I'd probably be killed on the spot under a big burning cross.
But they're still better than sleeze balls that is shat out of the Congress.

Rez said:
I mean, maybe I'm just hopelessly misinformed here, but did anyone actually think Romney had a chance post "40-something percent of Americans think they deserve etc etc" leak?
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Yeah really I'd like an answer to that as well.
 
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OttomanScribe

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SteveWD40 said:
I know, I lived in Australia for a year, my Sister has lived their for 8 years and counting, it's the last place a right wing lunatic would want to live unless she is planning on living out in the sticks. Sydney is as gay as anywhere on Earth for example.
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Hey! Sydney is awesome.

Oh, you didn't mean it the way the NZ dude did.
 
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cdyhybrid

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nubbe said:
It's fun when you look at counties maps on states... 80% of the area is republican and yet the electoral vote goes to the democrats.

Why are red necks republican when democrats would server their interests better?
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Because an invisible man in the sky told them so.
 
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Ikael

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Some random thoughts about Obama's victory:

- The center on the American politics will keep going right even further, specially on economic issues. The fact that the Republican congressmen (which are by norm far more to the right than Rommey) have garnered more support than their candidate is pretty telling (and allarming)

- However, it is interesting to put the former observation in contrast against the victories of the latest pro gay marriage proposition bills. It seems that Americans are at the same time more in favour of right wing economic policies (less goverment intervention, bootstraps, yadda, yadda) while growing more fond of left wing social policies (tolerance towards LGB people, equality, etc)

- Obama has won merely by the shittiness of his rivals, rather than his own merits, I believe. My personal impression is that he has little to no idea of what to do with this mandate other than "do not create new problems". However, seeing how republicans were eager to enter in a war with Iran, that might be Obama's saving grace

- The Republicans do need to filter the worst of their ranks, badly. The irony of their situation is delicious: their most apt candidate is a latino, despised by the blantaly racist wing of his own party. They have a huge mess to clean inside their own house before going to the white one.

- Democrat president + Republican congress = 4 more years of political inaction. Sigh.
 
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lednerg

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nubbe said:
It's fun when you look at counties maps on states... 80% of the area is republican and yet the electoral vote goes to the democrats.

Why are red necks republican when democrats would server their interests better?
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There's a good book* on this called "What's the Matter With Kansas?: How Conservatives Won the Heart of America."

* Well, I keep meaning to read it. I've only heard good things, though.
 
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OttomanScribe

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As to the topic at hand. I'll say what I said before the election was over: it is a beauty contest for 'Mr. American Empire' and no matter who wears the sash, little will change.
 
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