OttomanScribe
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You're better than that. Be explicit. What country?
The things that I pick as being the same are the things that have the largest impact, in that they are systemic (for example corruption) or involve killing on a wide scale.
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United States Election: Nov 6, 2012 |OT| - Barack Obama Re-elected
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You're better than that. Be explicit. What country?
The things that I pick as being the same are the things that have the largest impact, in that they are systemic (for example corruption) or involve killing on a wide scale.
Yeah Bill, God knows a whole buncha' white people didn't vote for Obama, it was just minorities with a couple of us sprinkled in there for poops and giggles.
Pack it in my fellow white Americans, our voice is now lost forever. Guess we'll just have to go back to running 98% of the major corporations in America and holding 98% of all political positions at the state and national level in the country. We're pretty much screwed.
I suppose you gotta give Stewart, Colbert, and Maher something in the batshit category to fall back on whenever it's a slow news day.
There was a chance (albeit slim) of getting a nice united, sane, Korea and Bush's administration singlehandedly shat on the process. By contrast nothing happened under Obama, I'll say that's an improvement.
Look up stuffs that Bush did in Africa and the rest of the world, there's a reason people everywhere hated him.
Huh, not trying to sound like a dick but if the US has a huge endemic corruption problem then the problem is pretty much worldwide.
Heck the country I'm in currently have a bigger problem regarding corruption (we don't have anything close to Foreign Corrupt Practices Act here for example).
The situation is much more complicated as it is, I wouldn't throw the US under the bus just like that.
Bill Hobbs seems like a real winner if you read his tweets...
Oh some aren't even tying to hide their feelings anymore. These all look like 'next generation' conservative voters so the idiocy and racism will continue.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/jpmoore/the-31-worst-people-on-the-planet
Sickboy007
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So, where is pctx's thread? Can someone link me to it?
teruterubozu
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It's amazing how much the word "GOD" is used to express pure hatred.
ElectricBlue187
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They have a large impact on the people you care about. They don't mean jack shit to most Americans. The real deal here is that the two parties don't differ much on foreign policy a) because Americans don't care and b) because there is wide support for things you don't like, such as drone strikes, such as indefinite detention, such as extraordinary rendition. The country as a whole believes these are good measures to combat terrorism and neither side really cares what people in Pakistan think about that. I personally have been very disappointed in Obama's use of these things and have lamented often in other threads but to say the two parties are the same is just ignorance in the extreme.
Reading between the lines in UK outlets it's easy to see the fear and relief. Even with superpower status if the presidency was between two vaguely similar candidates like it is here there wouldn't be such a hoopla. It's because every 4 years the US holds the world hostage as it decides if it's going to inflict absolute disaster or middling competence on the rest of us.
The Jason
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The nice thing about the electoral college is that the number of votes represents the population of the state. So in a way everyone votes even if you dont vote, because you vote as a state; but of course you have an opportunity to determine who.
Fragamemnon
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The overall House picture is shaping up to be around +10 seats for the Dems. Some good surprises (Carol Shea-Porter in NH, not personally a fan but surprised she won).
Still, I feel that the overall House leadership for the Democrats needs a shake-up and some A-game fresh faces going into 2014 midterms. Pelosi is 72 and Hoyer is 73. There's a measurable disconnect between the winning Democratic coalition and the House membership. In some "purple" states Dems are doing absolutely terrible in winning seats-even taking account redistricting it should not be this bad.
Still, I feel that the overall House leadership for the Democrats needs a shake-up and some A-game fresh faces going into 2014 midterms. Pelosi is 72 and Hoyer is 73. There's a measurable disconnect between the winning Democratic coalition and the House membership. In some "purple" states Dems are doing absolutely terrible in winning seats-even taking account redistricting it should not be this bad.
kurtrussell
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I've agreed with 99% of what you've written in this thread, but really that first statement - it seems to be the go-to argue against someone statement made by GAF in 2012.
I worry you'll take this personally, but it's not really meant that way - I just shudder every time I see a GAFfer tell another GAFfer that he's "better than that". It seems quite patronising and condescending. Almost like "Hey man, I'm at a complete other level to you, totally superior in every way. You should be here too - your opinions which I don't agree with are letting you down, fella!"
Once again, agree with the majority of what you've said in this post, it's just a little pet peeve of mine that GAF is full of people point's-scoring with the "you're better than that" thing.
You're talking about systemic problems which no one politician or administration could realistically ever change on their own. It's not like some third party candidate could come in a clean house, either - it just doesn't work that way. The military industrial complex operates outside of the political sphere in many ways. It's a force that we as voters would only have a very little effect on at one time, namely in terms of military spending (which Obama has repeatedly said he would cut, unlike Romney). What's needed for the long run is a series of consecutive wins for the right people over a long period of time to get control out of the hands of the very corporations and contractors who make money off of these wars.
So "anyone but Romney" during the primaries was not just a little triffling thing in the end
ElectricBlue187
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I agree it seems like a sleazy debate tactic to me. Not too far away from "eww I can't believe you think such a gross thing"
But it makes a persons' Republican vote for President in Delaware/Democrat vote for President in Texas a waste.
The Electoral College probably won't ever be changed, but America should at least move elections to Saturdays to increase voter turnout.
Don't think you'll be seeing any threads from him swear his been relegated to junior status.
twinturbo2
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I know, right? End of an error! The sun is out, and it feels glorious!
Get fucked you war criminal.
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THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
Good because Mitt Romney was giving me a rick Scott felling
That or a national holiday (or compulsory voting like Australia, lol). These things always come up when it's election season, but nobody ever has the balls to do anything about it. It also doesn't help that 'one party in particular' has a vested interest in making sure voter turnout is low overall.
You would think Republicans would like Saturday elections since people with jobs would be more likely to vote.
NekoToshiro
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Which one? Persona? I like talking to demons, they are my friends.
I keep hearing about people being able to live without having to sell their house because of it. Pretty powerful distraction.
Sickboy007
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Glorious...he still needs to come back and shame himself, even if he's juniored.
that makes it worse tbh
He's a true believer in some sense -- conservative politics and such. But he's not actually crazy. No, he doesn't think we're going to go into 1,000 years of darkness.
You'd think that, what with how they present themselves as the party of real hard workin' muricans and all. I'd love for them to put their money where their mouth is. That said, the law is that it's 'the Tuesday after the first Monday of November' and it's been that way forever. So I think making it a holiday would be more likely, or at least less difficult.
oh thought u were talking about chuck turd lol
cartoon_soldier
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Thread title should have been changed to "Nate Silver Wins"
iamshadowlark
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Why not?
The Constitution explicitly grants the power to elect the president and such to the states.
No vote is irrelevant, that is a fallacy that I really wish would die already. Its worked great for us this whole time. I really don't see why we should even attempt to go thru the complex procedure of amending the constitution when it works fine.
But the international community said...
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