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United States Election: Nov 6, 2012 |OT| - Barack Obama Re-elected

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marrec

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Steve Youngblood said:
I get speculation and kneejerk hyperbole about the long-term implications of fiscal policy. But in regards to the current fiscal cliff? That rich-person-hating, socialist Obama was going to be addressing it even if he lost, as this particular "crisis" has to be addressed before the beginning of next year. Romney wasn't going to be dealing with it regardless.
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I think the popular wisdom is that the current congress (and Bams) will kick the can down the road again. Either way the way the reporting was worded is poor ya.
 
Journeywalker

Journeywalker

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I think the stock market is betting on the continuation of the same dynamics that led to the embarrassing debt ceiling fiasco. Not a bad bet, unfortunately. A Romney victory with an electorate that is demanding compromise would be more conducive to things getting done, because Democrats are simply more likely to compromise. There would be tremendous pressure for them to do so, and I couldn't see Democrats being as spiteful, cynical, and intransigent as Republicans.

Honestly, I'm not sure that turning the process of governing into a constant political campaign (as Obama has all but promised) will work.
 
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Brinbe

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Mr.Awesome said:
I really think Hillary would get crushed. She had high unlikable numbers to begin with iirc. That won't change. Doubt she would survive the primaries.

Benghazi is another black eye for her. Be hard to run when that's an easy talking point for the opposition. She's been seemingly out of the campaign picture the last couple months for this reason.
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If anything it's been the opposite, she's as liked as she's ever been! And I think any blowback from Benghazi will be gone in 4 years. And overall, she did a solid job as SoS. She probably would have won over McCain in 08 anyway, but having two former POTUS' having your back, plus a broad and fired-up electorate that loves her, and none of the racial excuses that came from the previous eight years, won't hurt. And if they attack her because she's a female, well, that gender gap will only get worse.

Also. she's been out of the spotlight because she's transitioning out and why would she want to hog the spotlight from the POTUS? And why do you think Bill has been working like a dog, with all his campaigning for Obama over the last month? She'll get her payback in due time.

So yeah, it's fucking nonsense to get ahead of ourselves to this degree, but it never hurts to hope and dream when the future is looking bright.
 
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marrec

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Journeywalker said:
I think the stock market is betting on the continuation of the same dynamics that led to the embarrassing debt ceiling fiasco. Not a bad bet, unfortunately. A Romney victory with an electorate that is demanding compromise would be more conducive to things getting done, because Democrats are simply more likely to compromise. There would be tremendous pressure for them to do so, and I couldn't see Democrats being as spiteful, cynical, and intransigent as Republicans.

Honestly, I'm not sure that turning the process of governing into a constant political campaign (as Obama has all but promised) will work.
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That was my read as well.
 
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lednerg

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Downhome said:
I'm going to post this here as well.

As a Romney supporter, or rather as a Republican since I have never been that enthused over Romney in the first place, ...
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The GOP has left you on the sidelines while they went on to play cynical games with the emotions of senior citizens and whoever else they use to characterize their base. Demand more from your party than just their zeal to win. Demand that they represent your actual beliefs, not just an ability to be the meanest and shout the loudest. The country as a whole can only benefit from having better candidates who more accurately represent the population and its various nuances. This is a representative democracy, after all. They are not our "leaders", their job is to represent us.
 
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.GqueB.

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Brinbe said:
Biden is such a boss, but 2016 is still Hillary's, if she wants it. And with the chance to be the first ever female POTUS? I think she'll take it.

Get someone like Schweitzer as Veep to open up the map in Montana and it's a wrap.
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A shame. I wanted the first female president to be a black woman named Shaquanna or something like that. Really shake things up.
 
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WhatRobEats said:
2016 Can he make it?

Uncle Biden is an Awesome Uncle to have.
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Too old. He'll retire at the top. He's been in Washington since '73, the last thing the Dems want to do while running high off being the 'young' party is start nominating 74 year olds for President who will almost be 80 or older while in office if they go for a full run.
 
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Gary Whitta

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Nutty thought: If Obama is serious about a Secretary of Business, how about offering it to Romney? Might be the one thing he's actually good at, plus a big bipartisan fig leaf post-election to set the tone. Or maybe I've just been watching too many episodes of The West Wing.
 
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Tobor

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Downhome said:
I'm going to post this here as well.

As a Romney supporter, or rather as a Republican since I have never been that enthused over Romney in the first place, this election says a great deal to me. I had said all along that this year would be the year that the majority of the population would indicate which direction the country would go in for the foreseable future. The differences between the two sides were even more vast than usual. I feel that this will now become the norm and it will continue to skew more and more to the left on almost all issues - fiscal, social, and even on foreign affairs. The makeup of the country, the electorate as a whole, is changing and morphing to the point where it is going to become harder and harder for conservative Republicans to win as we go forward from here on out.

I'm going to post this here as well.

One of two things will now happen over the next four years, and I'm not sheding any new light on it. I fullly expect Obama to try to push through as many things on his plate as possible, which is what he should at least try to do as president. Either the Republicans will put up even more of a wall to prevent it or they will try to purposely skew more to the center in hopes of showing a growing center and left of center public that they are still an option in 2014 and ultimately 2016.

I think Repubicans can still win, and I believe they will in 2016, but they will no longer be able to run campaigns as they have been doing. They are going to be forced to change, and with Romney likely being the final option of that generation, I expect to see that. They will not be able to run on repealing certain things that Obama has and will likely pass over the next four years. My money is still on Chris Christie for 2016, but it's going to be a whole new ballgame now.

No tears, no crying from me since I predicted an Obama win by a fairly large margin. I'm just saying, as a Republican, I recognize all of this and more people leaning my way need to wake up and realize it as well.

This country, it is a changin'.
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It's up to people like you. Moderates and fiscal conservatives need to take back the Republican Party. I welcome debate from that Republican Party.
 
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kiryogi

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Downhome said:
I'm going to post this here as well.

As a Romney supporter, or rather as a Republican since I have never been that enthused over Romney in the first place, this election says a great deal to me. I had said all along that this year would be the year that the majority of the population would indicate which direction the country would go in for the foreseable future. The differences between the two sides were even more vast than usual. I feel that this will now become the norm and it will continue to skew more and more to the left on almost all issues - fiscal, social, and even on foreign affairs. The makeup of the country, the electorate as a whole, is changing and morphing to the point where it is going to become harder and harder for conservative Republicans to win as we go forward from here on out.

I'm going to post this here as well.

One of two things will now happen over the next four years, and I'm not sheding any new light on it. I fullly expect Obama to try to push through as many things on his plate as possible, which is what he should at least try to do as president. Either the Republicans will put up even more of a wall to prevent it or they will try to purposely skew more to the center in hopes of showing a growing center and left of center public that they are still an option in 2014 and ultimately 2016.

I think Repubicans can still win, and I believe they will in 2016, but they will no longer be able to run campaigns as they have been doing. They are going to be forced to change, and with Romney likely being the final option of that generation, I expect to see that. They will not be able to run on repealing certain things that Obama has and will likely pass over the next four years. My money is still on Chris Christie for 2016, but it's going to be a whole new ballgame now.

No tears, no crying from me since I predicted an Obama win by a fairly large margin. I'm just saying, as a Republican, I recognize all of this and more people leaning my way need to wake up and realize it as well.

This country, it is a changin'.
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Think you're the first reasonable republican I've seen without so much bigotry and with actual logic. Kudos! I would like to see the republicans pull from this extreme far right.
 
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echoshifting

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Gary Whitta said:
Nutty thought: If Obama is serious about a Secretary of Business, how about offering it to Romney? Might be the one thing he's actually good at, plus a big bipartisan fig leaf post-election to set the tone. Or maybe I've just been watching too many episodes of The West Wing.
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You've been watching too many episodes of The West Wing.
 
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fabricated backlash

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Downhome said:
I'm going to post this here as well.

As a Romney supporter, or rather as a Republican since I have never been that enthused over Romney in the first place, this election says a great deal to me. I had said all along that this year would be the year that the majority of the population would indicate which direction the country would go in for the foreseable future. The differences between the two sides were even more vast than usual. I feel that this will now become the norm and it will continue to skew more and more to the left on almost all issues - fiscal, social, and even on foreign affairs. The makeup of the country, the electorate as a whole, is changing and morphing to the point where it is going to become harder and harder for conservative Republicans to win as we go forward from here on out.

I'm going to post this here as well.

One of two things will now happen over the next four years, and I'm not sheding any new light on it. I fullly expect Obama to try to push through as many things on his plate as possible, which is what he should at least try to do as president. Either the Republicans will put up even more of a wall to prevent it or they will try to purposely skew more to the center in hopes of showing a growing center and left of center public that they are still an option in 2014 and ultimately 2016.

I think Repubicans can still win, and I believe they will in 2016, but they will no longer be able to run campaigns as they have been doing. They are going to be forced to change, and with Romney likely being the final option of that generation, I expect to see that. They will not be able to run on repealing certain things that Obama has and will likely pass over the next four years. My money is still on Chris Christie for 2016, but it's going to be a whole new ballgame now.

No tears, no crying from me since I predicted an Obama win by a fairly large margin. I'm just saying, as a Republican, I recognize all of this and more people leaning my way need to wake up and realize it as well.

This country, it is a changin'.
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At this point, I don't know if a two party system will be the way to go forward.

I somehow doubt that the Rep. Party, which is led by obscenely rich people would actually start to care about the population again instead of their own wallet.
I don't think that a moderate republican wing could thrive under the banner of the GOP. Unless they split off to finally get a chance to have a party representing conservative interests instead of representing millionaires.
 
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Gary Whitta

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Fun fact: Victoria Jackson is a big Book of Eli fan and friended me on Facebook after it came out and sent me lots of nice messages. Seemed innocent enough at first, I thought it was cool because I only knew her from SNL. Then it soon became apparent what a nutjob she has become since and in the end I had to block her.
 
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Bulbo Urethral Baggins

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Gary Whitta said:
Fun fact: Victoria Jackson is a big Book of Eli fan and friended me on Facebook after it came out and sent me lots of nice messages. Seemed innocent enough at first, I thought it was cool because I only knew her from SNL. Then it soon became apparent what a nutjob she has become since and in the end I had to block her.
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Why did you have to block her? What kind of things was she saying? oh. nm. I just saw her twitter.
 
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theviolenthero

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Mr.Awesome said:
I really think Hillary would get crushed. She had high unlikable numbers to begin with iirc. That won't change. Doubt she would survive the primaries.

Benghazi is another black eye for her. Be hard to run when that's an easy talking point for the opposition. She's been seemingly out of the campaign picture the last couple months for this reason.
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The GOP will NEVER win another presidential election as long as Fox News,Rush Limbaugh,Trump,etc... are the voices for their party. They're losing TON'S of voters yearly & democrats are gaining TON'S of new voters yearly because of them. The Tea Party for example ultimately did more to help Obama than hurt him.

Obama yesterday got virtually the same amount of votes as John Kerry did in 2004 and won in a landslide!
 
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Mr. B Natural

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Okay, Obama. Your 4 year campaign for a second term is over. Could you please get the hard-to-do tough love issues confronted now that no other president had the balls to confront? Please. War complex. Wage disparity. Health Care costs. Social Security. Competing in a global workforce. Environment. Change. Hope. Go. Now.
 
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Flash

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This year would have been perfect for Romney to run on a very center-moderate stance.

Instead he tried too hard to pander to the tea party vote which he would have gotten regardless seeing how they actually despise Obama. And as a result came across as very flop flop on important issues such as women's right.

All things considered I think Romney is a fine guy and would have probably made a fine president if it were up to him, but the far right/tea party influence is just too much. You can't run a party that is centered on winning the irrational vote - common sense will (and will hopefully continue to) prevail.
 
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Souldriver

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What astonishes me the most, is how many conservatives and rightwing media pundits actually believed their own lies.


It really show a difference in mindset between the right and the left. If Obama was losing in the polls, liberals would say something like "the writings on the wall but keep hoping", while Romney losing in the polls promps the conservatives to say "nope nope nope Romney will win for a fact!".

Same story with who wins the debates. Obama loses, the democrats freak out over the poor performance. Romney loses, republicans create just enough brain cancer to think that Romney still somehow won.


Dillusions, cognitive dissonance and reveling in ignorance really is plaguing right-wingers.
 
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Flash said:
This year would have been perfect for Romney to run on a very center-moderate stance.

Instead he tried too hard to pander to the tea party vote which he would have gotten regardless seeing how they actually despise Obama. And as a result came across as very flop flop on important issues such as women's right.

All things considered I think Romney is a fine guy and would have probably made a fine president if it were up to him, but the far right/tea party influence is just too much. You can't run a party that is centered on winning the irrational vote - common sense will (and will hopefully continue to) prevail.
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He had to pander just to get through the primary.
 
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HP_Wuvcraft

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OttomanScribe said:
Amazing commentary.
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I love how people think that they can escape the global impact of things like economy, environment, and politics.

It's cute.
 
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HerbertFish

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GOP has some decent candidates for 2016. It's too bad they ran Romney out as a sacrificial lamb.

Christie, Rubio, and Condi Rice (I know for some reason people think she won't run, but her last speech sounded differently) would all be tough to beat.


Ryan, Nikki Haley and Tim Tebow could be backup choices.


I'm trying to think who the dems would run out. Hillary obviously comes to mind. You can't prop up the SA mayor.
 
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Protein

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Us educated, sexy liberal Hispanics in Texas need to continue to do our part by making oh-so-sweet love and educating our kids properly so we will contribute to Texas becoming a glorious swing-state in the future.
 
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marrec

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Gary Whitta said:
Man so much good stuff happened last night. Is it too early to call this a wave election for the left? Congress notwithstanding.
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When compared to the wave of shit in 2010 that lost the Democrats the House it's pretty small, but I'd say that the American people have spoken about which Republican party they'd rather associate with and it's not Bachmann's. (Minnesota notwithstanding.)
 
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theviolenthero said:
The GOP will NEVER win another presidential election as long as Fox News,Rush Limbaugh,Trump,etc... are the voices for their party. They're losing TON'S of voters yearly & democrats are gaining TON'S of new voters yearly because of them. The Tea Party for example ultimately did more to help Obama than hurt him.

Obama yesterday got virtually the same amount of votes as John Kerry did in 2004 and won in a landslide!
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Never say never.

If 10 years ago someone say black man will be the president of USA for 8 years I would have laughed at him. I'm not laughing anymore.

Also, judging by how this economy is going and how lame obama's plans are (so far none of them look realistic, at all), if next 4 years we see some seriously fucked up economy and foreign affairs, then yeah, democratic party will lose no matter what.
 
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lednerg

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Gary Whitta said:
Man so much good stuff happened last night. Is it too early to call this a wave election for the left? Congress notwithstanding.
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I suppose we'll be on to speculating what'll happen in the elections two years from now. That is, if we ever survive Dec 21, 2012...
 
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echoshifting

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Flash said:
This year would have been perfect for Romney to run on a very center-moderate stance.

Instead he tried too hard to pander to the conservative vote which he would have gotten regardless seeing how they actually despise Obama. And as a result came across as very flop flop on important issues such as women's right.

All things considered I think Romney is a fine guy and would have probably made a fine president if it were up to him, but the far right/tea party influence is just too much. You can't run a party that is centered on winning the irrational vote - common sense will (and will hopefully continue to) prevail.
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What's really crazy to me is how many conservative commentators felt he didn't go far enough to the right. It just goes to show that pandering to those people is a fool's game you can't win...and you will pay the iron price for turning your back on the center-right. The battle for the soul of the GOP began last night...perhaps that's a bit overwrought, but I still think it's accurate.

Steve Youngblood said:
Nah. If anything, Bill makes her more likable as a candidate. Nobody still cares about the Lewinsky crap. She would have won in '08 if Obama hadn't been there.
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100% agree, I am pulling hard for Clinton in '16
 
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Steve Youngblood

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Gary Whitta said:
Man so much good stuff happened last night. Is it too early to call this a wave election for the left? Congress notwithstanding.
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At least in terms of the presidential level, it presents a very problematic challenge for the current GOP coalition. They've tapped the white voter for everything they've got, and they still came up short. And the demographics aren't improving for them.

The gay marriage and marijuana initiatives are also promising. However, there's still a ways to go before I conclude that this marks solid momentum for any kind of true, liberal movement.
 
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Flash

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devilhawk said:
He had to pander just to get through the primary.
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He shouldn't have picked Paul Ryan... he made that move to appease his party. And no, I'm not saying that his VP pick is what cost him the election, just an example where he should have made a decision to appeal to the center-right populous.
 
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"I don't understand how we lost the election! Maybe Mitt wasn't conservative enough!? Maybe all those ladyfolk and dark people decided to vote even though we said they wouldn't. I just don't get it, it's like the answer's right in front of our face!!"
 
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