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[marrec]

Listening to right-wing talk radio. It's really amazing how seamlessly Glenn Beck can segue from a seemingly sincere political monologue into trying to scam you into buying gold.

"This country will survive anything that the socialist leftists with their Allinsky style of facism can throw at us because God has blessed us and the framers of the constitution, the very fathers of our nation and freedom, gave us the best and most free nation on the planet.

...

However, your retirement fund is in dire straits."

 

[nib95]

Alright I'm here for my public flogging. Apparently I've been made a junior member again... fun. I hope you guys hold Barack's feet to the fire on actually getting the house and the senate to do something in the next 4 years, otherwise it's going to be a long 4 years.

If we're to hold Obama's feet to the fire for that we should be holding Congresses face on a furnace.

People, mid terms. Make sure the house is blue.

 

[Meier]

Repubs like you are who need to take control of the party. Bring out moderate Repubs (like Mitt was as a Gov), and the changing demographics won't be so scary for you. In fact, I'll vote for a Repub again (I'm 4-0 in prez elections) if there are moderate candidates.

I voted for Bush 2.0 in 2004 but was a year too young to vote in 2000... I would have voted for him then as well though. As a moderate person, the Republican party offers nothing of value right now. The far right co-opted the party and until they can find a way to get rid of their overtly moralistic (and yet, not moralistic at the same time) viewpoints, they will continue to lose. Young people who aren't fully indoctrinated by their parents understand that this dated thinking has no place in an enlightened society.

People who oppose gay marriage and want to remove established women's rights are on the wrong side of history. That is going to continue to be reflected year in and year out until we have real equality and allow those who want to marry to do so.

 

[marrec]

I'm not counting out some rebranding of the Tea Party as some "brand new, grassroots wave" of supposedly newly invigorated constituents that claim to be the sleeping giant that Obama's reelection awoke. Mind you, if the turnout for 2014 is similar to last night, then I doubt it. However, midterms just don't turn out the vote like presidential races.

Fortunately for most of us, if the same crazy ass faces are involved in the rebranding (Bachmann, Palin, and Santorum spring immediately to mind) then we will probably see through it.

There's an old saying in Tennessee... I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee:

"Fool me once, shame on... shame on you. Fool me...

...

You can't get fooled again."

 

[Tobor]

Rush is equating Obama to Santa Claus. Lol.

"How do you win an election against Santa Claus?"

 

[Marvie_3]

This is what has me most excited. The demographics are changing in the country and it's moving to the left. Hopefully in 20 years we can look back and laugh at how the Right used to pander to the "old angry white dude" segemnt of the population.

Absolutely. I really hope it keeps moving this way.

 

[marrec]

Absolutely. I really hope it keeps moving this way.

We aren't moving to the left, we're normalizing after having a large part of the country move far right.

 

[diffusionx]

Listening to right-wing talk radio. It's really amazing how seamlessly Glenn Beck can segue from a seemingly sincere political monologue into trying to scam you into buying gold.

http://www.thebaffler.com/past/the_long_con/print

 

[WarMacheen]

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/11/07/five-ways-mainstream-media-tipped-scales-in-favor-obama/


This here, is fucking hi.la.ri.ous

 

[weekend_warrior]

Alright I'm here for my public flogging. Apparently I've been made a junior member again... fun. I hope you guys hold Barack's feet to the fire on actually getting the house and the senate to do something in the next 4 years, otherwise it's going to be a long 4 years.

Hey, cool, me too.

 

[LegendofJoe]

Rush is equating Obama to Santa Claus. Lol.

"How do you win an election against Santa Claus?"

So a guy who works his ass off to make people happy? That's a compliment if you ask me.

Spoiler

I know that's not what he meant

 

[Htown]

Can someone explain to me how the election of House (congress) members work?

Sure. There are 435 Representatives split between the states according to population. Each state is then split up into a number of districts based on how many reps they are supposed to have. the districts have roughly equal population. Then each district elects its own representative every two years. Those reps make up the House of Representatives.

Each state also gets two Senators, no matter what the population is. Senators are elected for six year terms, with a third of the Senate seats in the country up for election every two years. That gives you the Senate.

All laws must be approved by both the House and the Senate, which vote separately.

 

[Jackben]

Hey, cool, I've been made a junior member too.

Both fully earned and wholly deserved : ]

 

[Flo_Evans]

And to some, having Billy in as First Man (?) in the White House again would be enough to vote for her alone.

Also not a fan of political dynasties. Whatever, not worried about 2016 yet!

I am sure the GOP will trot out some crazy whackjob and I will go for Hillary if she runs.

 

[Delusibeta]

I don't buy this talk of the country heading on some leftist path. Democrats barely register as lefties on the world scale. Republicans have lost ground for focusing on the religious right, for being anti-science, for associating with a popular section of the news media that wears ignorance and racism on its sleeve, and generally alienating minorities at a time when the white male voter mandate is waning. But as Americans, we never had a choice to stop war mongering, or anybody willing to pass a healthcare plan that a republican think tank didn't throw together a couple decades prior. We certainly didn't have a socialist choice, or whatever other conservative fan fiction was spread about Obama's beliefs.

I'm glad Obama won over Romney because the differences they do have matter. But either way the center-right are the winners here, because that's the record Obama has. So you republicans can rest easy. Look at his actual record. If he was a republican, you would have happily voted for him in the 80's or early 90's.

To be fair, a couple of states legalised pot and gay marriage, which is pretty much straight up left. That said, Obama won because he was closed to the political centre, not necessarily because he was left.

 

[Gary Whitta]

Andrew Wilcow has gone totally off the rails, this is awesome.

 

[~Devil Trigger~]

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/11/07/five-ways-mainstream-media-tipped-scales-in-favor-obama/


This here, is fucking hi.la.ri.ous

dem facts

 

[Veezy]

Sure. There are 435 Representatives split between the states according to population. Each state is then split up into a number of districts based on how many reps they are supposed to have. the districts have roughly equal population. Then each district elects its own representative every two years.

However, and this is more directed at the person asking the question, the issues arise when redistricting occurs. From my understanding, districts are basically hand designed by partisan individuals, on both sides. So, it's incredibly easy for individuals to remain incumbent as even when a redistricting happens, its either the same, or more, in favor for the party that dominated that district before.

For example, see the difficulty in getting Michele Bachmann as an example.

 

[Tex117]

Welp, my canditate lost by 98%. Oh well.

In any event, I find this morning hopeful. Hopeful for alot of reasons.

The most important one...Republicans will be foreced to re-brand or never win another general election. Hopefully, Republicans will recognize that the social crusade has been lost.

What we can glean from this election is that the country is now Center...not "center right." Why this election wasn't so bad for the Republicans? The Republicans still maintain the house. They still have a say in the direction of this country. However, they need to accept the fact that their "messaging" and they overall message, failed. (In other words, Republicans avoided an absolute disaster, but need to realize that they MUST adapt to the changing demographics of this Country...maybe they will get the message.)

Polling indicated that the fiscal conservatism does play. It is important. It is something to keep in the platform. That said, they are going to have to give this a new flavor....and drop the social sheet.


They need to start working with Obama (and Obama needs to show the leadership to allow them save some "face." Egos matter in Washington.). IF (and this is a HUUUUGEEE if) the house Republicans and Obama can work together on some level like Clinton did, then we could get some really good legislation in this country. Legislation that is fiscally responsible, yet actually helps those who need help.

I am hopeful, and

Im proud to be an American today.

 

[Cyan]

Alright I'm here for my public flogging. Apparently I've been made a junior member again... fun. I hope you guys hold Barack's feet to the fire on actually getting the house and the senate to do something in the next 4 years, otherwise it's going to be a long 4 years.

This election night was your swan song.

 

[Pctx]

*Deep breath*

Have some olives today to replenish your sodium.

Noted.

America no longer finished, eh?

Well I woke up this morning and so did you... so I think we're ok.

How do you plan on making it through four years of socialism?

No clue. I disagree with the policies but I'm moving beyond that. I'm back to what my life is about and what my family is about and how I can control what I've been given and how I use it. That may be a bullshit answer to some but for me its getting me through today and hopefully the rest of the years of his presidency.

+respect for being a good sport this morning!

Thank you. I think I've moved beyond wanting to gloat or meltdown and want to see what happens and if anything become more informed not to lord it over anyone but to engage people in a way that doesn't cause auto-rage mode.... that means you GAF.

Unfortunately the President cannot force the House of Representatives to cooperate with him on anything, but it really is in the Republican's best interest to start appearing more conciliatory so that congress can pull ahead of Small Pox in the likeability range.

Yeah I get that but also in the court of public opinion I hope all of the Obama supporters make sure he does what is best for all and not just for some.... even if it is different than what Romney would've done, I respect that but be real about it and maybe we'll survive this mess we're in.

I think the nation has spoken on who's on the wrong side and who should be held accountable. If W was able to call mandate with a lower margin on 2004 I think that Obama has a bigger mandate for less opposition from the house.

I'm begging the president to grow more balls now that he doesn't have to worry about re-election.

Time will tell.

Glad you've calmed down.

Sure thing.

I want to see what avatar you had for me.

I only had a victory avatar created for me.... ;P

Fuck that noise man. You were convicted, and you have the temerity to show your face. Unlike the rest of your friends. I vote you should be put back to member status, unless you some how went insane with some comment or something?

I respect you for continuing to post.

Presidents don't rule the country. Its what 99% of the world knows, and what America knows. Which is why no one believed Mitt Romneys bullshit except you and a few others.

Congress needs to work with Obama. That hurdle is still to be negotiated, will your salty friends keep doors closed, as they have been for the past 4 years?



Sooo much this. And it even seemed to just be pandering to the sad racism in everyones heart. Its no shock that all of the fallout from t his is people finally calling the man a nigger, complaining about minorities, etc. While at the same time claiming you're not racist, and its about the direction of the country. HA.

Well I'm hoping as I mentioned above that the good of the people in general is the focus of this next four years and we figure out how we make opportunities better for everyone.

If we're to hold Obama's feet to the fire for that we should be holding Congresses face on a furnace.

People, mid terms. Make sure the house is blue.

Hoping it doesn't take that but who knows.

Thanks for being a good sport. I'll give you shit some other time. Good luck today, and maybe keep a bottle of something strong close by.

Yes, I'm going to have a stiff drink this evening. One for Romney and one for me.

 

[SteveWinwood]

I am hopeful, and

Im proud to be an American today.

All that matters at the end of the day.

 

[ElectricBlue187]

Welp, my canditate lost by 98%. Oh well.

In any event, I find this morning hopeful. Hopeful for alot of reasons.

The most important one...Republicans will be foreced to re-brand or never win another general election. Hopefully, Republicans will recognize that the social crusade has been lost.

What we can glean from this election is that the country is now Center...not "center right." Why this election wasn't so bad for the Republicans? The Republicans still maintain the house. They still have a say in the direction of this country. However, they need to accept the fact that their "messaging" and they overall message, failed. (In other words, Republicans avoided an absolute disaster, but need to realize that they MUST adapt to the changing demographics of this Country...maybe they will get the message.)

Polling indicated that the fiscal conservatism does play. It is important. It is something to keep in the platform. That said, they are going to have to give this a new flavor....and drop the social sheet.


They need to start working with Obama (and Obama needs to show the leadership to allow them save some "face." Egos matter in Washington.). IF (and this is a HUUUUGEEE if) the house Republicans and Obama can work together on some level like Clinton did, then we could get some really good legislation in this country. Legislation that is fiscally responsible, yet actually helps those who need help.

I am hopeful, and

Im proud to be an American today.

good on you, i would've thought they would've done more soul searching after the beating they recieved in '08 but I guess the success they had in '10 silenced any reform talk

 

[EmCeeGramr]

Reading Silver's detractors come up with hilarious excuses for why he just got lucky and they made understandable little goofs is amazing.

 

[Gary Whitta]

Wilcow now comparing Obama to Mao Tse Tung and Pol Pot.

 

[indigo-cyclops]

Welp, my canditate lost by 98%. Oh well.

In any event, I find this morning hopeful. Hopeful for alot of reasons.

The most important one...Republicans will be foreced to re-brand or never win another general election. Hopefully, Republicans will recognize that the social crusade has been lost.

What we can glean from this election is that the country is now Center...not "center right." Why this election wasn't so bad for the Republicans? The Republicans still maintain the house. They still have a say in the direction of this country. However, they need to accept the fact that their "messaging" and they overall message, failed. (In other words, Republicans avoided an absolute disaster, but need to realize that they MUST adapt to the changing demographics of this Country...maybe they will get the message.)

Polling indicated that the fiscal conservatism does play. It is important. It is something to keep in the platform. That said, they are going to have to give this a new flavor....and drop the social sheet.


They need to start working with Obama (and Obama needs to show the leadership to allow them save some "face." Egos matter in Washington.). IF (and this is a HUUUUGEEE if) the house Republicans and Obama can work together on some level like Clinton did, then we could get some really good legislation in this country. Legislation that is fiscally responsible, yet actually helps those who need help.

I am hopeful, and

Im proud to be an American today.

In the ideal world people would be as reasonable and thoughtful as you (and pctx) about this. All I ask from those in charge is cooperation, and policies that benefit every level of society. Policies that aren't based in a slanted world-view...

Know what I mean?

It was nice to see this post.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

Has anyone checked in on Unskewed Polls guy


is he still alive

 

[Guevara]

So how much did the conservative super PACs blow this election? And what if anything can they say it achieved?

 

[Blader]

The most important one...Republicans will be foreced to re-brand or never win another general election. Hopefully, Republicans will recognize that the social crusade has been lost.

This is the logical conclusion, but it's also been the logical conclusion for years now and the party has only become increasingly steeped in its craziness.

 

[Tex117]

[edit, and reposted below...for some reason my edits weren't taking]

 

[Rebel Leader]

Has anyone checked in on Unskewed Polls guy


is he still alive

is he the one that kept posting "ROMNEY WON *STATE*" even when everyone was posting facts?

 

[PhatSaqs]

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/11/07/five-ways-mainstream-media-tipped-scales-in-favor-obama/


This here, is fucking hi.la.ri.ous

lmao thanks for that. Waaaambulance.

 

[tfur]

So how much did the conservative super PACs blow this election? And what if anything can they say it achieved?

Yeah, it would be nice to get a breakdown.

I saw someone mention $325,000,000 for Roves' PAC, but no source.

 

[Jackben]

Welp, my canditate lost by 98%. Oh well.

In any event, I find this morning hopeful. Hopeful for alot of reasons.

The most important one...Republicans will be foreced to re-brand or never win another general election. Hopefully, Republicans will recognize that the social crusade has been lost.

What we can glean from this election is that the country is now Center...not "center right." Why this election wasn't so bad for the Republicans? The Republicans still maintain the house. They still have a say in the direction of this country. However, they need to accept the fact that their "messaging" and they overall message, failed. (In other words, Republicans avoided an absolute disaster, but need to realize that they MUST adapt to the changing demographics of this Country...maybe they will get the message.)

Polling indicated that the fiscal conservatism does play. It is important. It is something to keep in the platform. That said, they are going to have to give this a new flavor....and drop the social sheet.


They need to start working with Obama (and Obama needs to show the leadership to allow them save some "face." Egos matter in Washington.). IF (and this is a HUUUUGEEE if) the house Republicans and Obama can work together on some level like Clinton did, then we could get some really good legislation in this country. Legislation that is fiscally responsible, yet actually helps those who need help.

I am hopeful, and

Im proud to be an American today.

This is a great post and you are a true American, Tex.

 

[Zaph]

MSNBC is so smug right now, I love it (and Alex...). Her response to a Republican wondering what the party has to do to win more support: "And maybe stop talking about rape?".

 

[EndcatOmega]

Has anyone checked in on Unskewed Polls guy


is he still alive

He's busy unskewing the vote totals.

 

[saelz8]

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/11/07/five-ways-mainstream-media-tipped-scales-in-favor-obama/


This here, is fucking hi.la.ri.ous

Are these idiots really going to double-down in their bubble?

 

[CHEEZMO™]

Both fully earned and wholly deserved : ]

Word.

I only had a victory avatar created for me.... ;P

Well that's no fun.

He's busy unskewing the vote totals.

Putin runs a polling site?

 

[Coldnoodle]

Fox news radio hurray

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Reading Silver's detractors come up with hilarious excuses for why he just got lucky and they made understandable little goofs is amazing.

Links? I want to see the denial.

 

[Jadedx]

When are we getting the North Dakota senate call? It seems like Berg can't win, even if he won the democratic county from 2008.

 

[marrec]

lmao thanks for that. Waaaambulance.

This is the best part:

2. Pounding Romney With Partisan Fact Checking

CURSE YOU FACT CHECKERS!

 

[Gr1mLock]

This is the best part:



CURSE YOU FACT CHECKERS!

No its 'curse you facts!'.

 

[ReBurn]

So how much did the conservative super PACs blow this election? And what if anything can they say it achieved?

If nothing else the status quo was achieved. Republicans kept the House, so probably not a lot changes until 2014 when the House is up for a vote again.

 

[Tex117]

good on you, i would've thought they would've done more soul searching after the beating they recieved in '08 but I guess the success they had in '10 silenced any reform talk

No joke! '08 was when Republicans really needed to do this, but '10 set them back. They mis-read what they thought was a true "conservative" movement back to the right, when it was merely a fiscal move to the right. (IMO). (This was obvious to anyone with half a brain and a nose for politics).

Maybe...just maybe...there will be some real leadership from the Republicans, and get their platform out of the 1980's and into a workable platform for the 2010's.

Here, I will start right now free of charge constultant!

Drop the social stuff: This country is now center...Bible thumping will no longer win you a general election. Shoot, Republicans can take the easy way out and say its merely states rights.

Give fiscal responsibility a new flavor: (And yes, this does mean tax increases, ala, Bush, Sr.)

Sell their soul to the devil to win the Latino vote. Of all the minority groups (minority being used broadly), the latinos in general share many ideas with the Republicans. Republicans can gain ground here.

IF (if), they do this, then maybe I will consider voting Republican again.

All that matters at the end of the day.

Absolutely! And to all those "conservatives" saying they are moving...Shut up. This is 'Merica. Don't take your ball and go home. Work to change things.

So how much did the conservative super PACs blow this election? And what if anything can they say it achieved?

About as much as the Democrat ones did. And no, nothing really changed. (But I sure hope it does)

This is the logical conclusion, but it's also been the logical conclusion for years now and the party has only become increasingly steeped in its craziness.

I wish the Republicans would try logic for once....An honest realization of what is going on. My hope anyway.

In the ideal world people would be as reasonable and thoughtful as you (and pctx) about this. All I ask from those in charge is cooperation, and policies that benefit every level of society. Policies that aren't based in a slanted world-view...

Know what I mean?

It was nice to see this post.

We hope for the same things. Why there is a vocal portion of the Republicans that just can't get on board that America is changing is beyond me. It doesn't take a rocket scientist. hell, it just takes the internet. The Republicans didn't used to be this way...

This is a great post and you are a true American, Tex.

Thanks! And Im not just saying that stuff to gain some sympathy. I truly believe all this. Naive? Maybe, but thats my right.

 

[Jackben]

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/11/07/five-ways-mainstream-media-tipped-scales-in-favor-obama/


This here, is fucking hi.la.ri.ous

Five ways the mainstream media tipped the scales in favor of Obama

1. The Media’s Biased Gaffe Patrol Hammered Romney

2. Pounding Romney With Partisan Fact Checking

3. Those Biased Debate Moderators

4. The Benghazi Blackout

5. Burying the Bad Economy

Every single one of those is signature Fox. Anyone could have predicted those with 100% accuracy.

 

[marrec]

If nothing else the status quo was achieved. Republicans kept the House, so probably not a lot changes until 2014 when the House is up for a vote again.

Nobody was expecting the House to switch hands this year, and a lot of people weren't even expecting double digit gains for the Dems. They did better than expected I would say.

 

[Fenderputty]

No joke! '08 was when Republicans really needed to do this, but '10 set them back. They mis-read what they thought was a true "conservative" movement back to the right, when it was merely a fiscal move to the right. (IMO). (This was obvious to anyone with half a brain and a nose for politics).

Maybe...just maybe...there will be some real leadership from the Republicans, and get their platform out of the 1980's and into a workable platform for the 2010's.

Here, I will start right now free of charge constultant!

Drop the social stuff: This country is now center...Bible thumping will no longer win you a general election. Shoot, Republicans can take the easy way out and say its merely states rights.

Give fiscal responsibility a new flavor: (And yes, this does mean tax increases, ala, Bush, Sr.)

Sell their soul to the devil to win the Latino vote. Of all the minority groups (minority being used broadly), the latinos in general share many ideas with the Republicans. Republicans can gain ground here.

IF (if), they do this, then maybe I will consider voting Republican again.

That is A LOT of chance for a party in 4 years time. How does one rebrand like that when the last 8 years has seen the exact oppostive being shoved down everyone throats. I mean ... the republican you just described sounds like a right leaning dem and someone I would vote for.

EDIT: also ... you said Latino have common ground with Republicans, but most of those are social issues you just suggested they drop.

 

[Rebel Leader]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLoqti0lzAw

Watch this for the tears


FOR THE TEARS!

"Mature" language

Viewer discretion is ADVISED

 

[ReBurn]

Nobody was expecting the House to switch hands this year, and a lot of people weren't even expecting double digit gains for the Dems. They did better than expected I would say.

Yep. All the super PAC money did was keep them from losing ground.