You're adorable.
I'm considering enrolling Scalia in the "Steak of the Month Club." Seems like something he'd enjoy.
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United States Election: Nov 6, 2012 |OT| - Barack Obama Re-elected
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You're adorable.
I'm considering enrolling Scalia in the "Steak of the Month Club." Seems like something he'd enjoy.
Hari Seldon
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Obama Gaf needs to calm down. I'm not voting for him or Romney but Obama is going to win this one easily lol. All of the closeness is hype to draw ratings guaranteed.
To be fair the NHS is also balls out insane. Just in the opposite direction to such an extent that even Hugo Chavez would take a look and blush. Mixed UHC systems seem to work best in practice. (Aus, Japan, Nordic Model countries)
MetalGuardian
Banned
While I rarely take place in political discussion here, I've been following the election and primaries closely for a very long time.
So, who's down for some afternoon drinking with me tomorrow while switching between the big three news channels all day and browsing this thread?
So, who's down for some afternoon drinking with me tomorrow while switching between the big three news channels all day and browsing this thread?
Candeldandel
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Unfortunately, I can't remember the name :\ A friend of mine has a pretty expansive cellar, and he's planning to bring out some yummy ones. I know there are a few with insane ABVs, but I couldn't tell ya which ones... He's got a spreadsheet! I'll let you know when I find out.
I've had quite a few delicious 11-and-12%ers as well, one from Rogue Brewery in Newport (Old Crustacean) and a seasonal one from Block 15 Brewing in Corvallis. So good!
-Mitt has a plan to turn this "trainwreck" around by turning back to the exact 5 point plan and policies that caused it. Yay
-Your conviction is that you vote in a guy that will do nothing about climate change, thus literally guaranteeing that your son will grow up to a worse environment in America than what you grew up in. Your conviction is that you elect a guy that will impose harsher austerity and cut education for your son, yet again guaranteeing he will grow up in a worse America. You vote for a guy that will turn Medicare into a voucher system that in the future will literally fuck over your son, guaranteeing he grows up to a worse retirement in America.
-Your vote for Mitt Romney the human weather vane that will tell whoever whatever and half the time doesn't know what he said but he sticks by it, whatever it was proves words apparently don't matter.
-Your freedom isn't threatened. Get the tin foil off your head.
-Learn what our debt is and means. I don't have anything snarky to say here.
-Yes, Mitt's the real leader. The guy that can't stand up to his own party, and will take whatever stance is politically convenient at the time. The guy that completely endorsed Obama's foreign policy during the debate. Great real leadership there.
Seriously, you're a joke.
You're an evil man, let me pitch in.
NullPointer
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You should go to your designated polling station if possible. It's possible that they will allow you to cast a provisional ballot if you just go to your location on campus, but I wouldn't chance it, just heard too many horror stories about provisional ballots and the like.
SteveWinwood
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Okay so for the house I can vote for the blue dog democrat who is going to win as he's been there for 20 years now, and who I don't agree with most of what he wants (and he never responds to my emails, not even a form response!), or I can vote for the asshole trying to replace him who is crazy religious and proud of it (rah rah abortion needs to be illegal under every circumstance ever rah rah) OR I can vote for this fucking dude with the best facial hair ever: http://northernherald.finalhost.net/campsite.pdf
I know who I'm voting for tomorrow.
Woah okay the republican guy has a kickass voice: http://youtu.be/T-q01JXKSUY
This is going to be a tough decision.
I know who I'm voting for tomorrow.
Woah okay the republican guy has a kickass voice: http://youtu.be/T-q01JXKSUY
This is going to be a tough decision.
BertramCooper
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WISCONSIN
God, what an awful state flag.
COLORADO
Polls close: 9:00 pm ET
Pundits say:
nyt said:
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytime...-comeback-might-start-out-west-with-colorado/
tnr said:
http://www.tnr.com/blog/electionate/109268/its-not-2008-in-colorado
Early voting: Early voting in Colorado began on 10/22 and 70.5% of the 2008 electorate has already taken advantage of it. Amazingly, that's actually down from 79.5% in 2008. The Democrats had a 2 point party-ID advantage back then, 38 to 36; today that's reversed, 35 to 37. But given that Colorado went Democratic by nine points in 2008, that may not be enough to stop Obama.
Voter ID: Colorado's had a voter ID law since 2003, requiring a photo ID, a bill or government document, or a provisional ballot. The election official is responsible for verifying the eligibility of provisional ballots rather than the voters.
Polls say: 538 gives Colorado a 70% chance of falling into the Democratic column, with an estimated margin of 1.7 points. The RealClearPolitics average has a very similar 1.5 point advantage for the President.
Watch for: That independent vote. Colorado has a lot of independent voters -- as Nate Cohn writes above, it's all about persuasion rather than turnout. The polls suggest that Obama has a slight edge with independents in the state; observing the outcome in the Centennial State might give you some idea of how Obama is doing with independents nationally. Independents actually don't typically decide close elections, but if Democratic turnout is depressed as the Romney campaign claims claims, this could be their year. In 2008 it took two and a half hours to call Colorado; in 2004, three and a half.
edit: Colorado's moved to 82% to go for Obama with a 2.7 point lead.
Why? What effect will the national debt have on livelihoods?
CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
Americans will be slaves to China maaaaaaan!
Hey mang, you leave our socialist badgers alone, or our sailor will take his fruit basket home and our miner will come after you with that pickaxe!
To your first point. Uh-huh.
Second point: Climate change isn't accelerated or affected at a scale in which mankind could make a case for cause vs. effect to be an argument. Do I think companies shouldn't pollute? Yes. Is it possible to have good regulation to promote a healthy future for everyone? Yes. Are we ever going to see that in yours and my lifetime? Probably not. I'm not saying that taking care of the planet isn't something we should do, we should, but holistically its lower down the food chain of priorities in this election.
--- To your other points. I do not expect Social Security or Medicare when I'm older. If you think we'll get them, then I have to chuckle because I'm not banking on either--- nor am I for my son.
3rd point -- You just described Joe Biden!! Seems Romney and him are a lot more similar than I thought.
4th point - Learn what our debt is? Which part... spending? budgetary? future tax revenue? Whoever wins, we all fucked and if you don't think that we are, laugh #2.
5th point; same talking points as always. I'm glad that attacking Romney and his plan is a platform that shows leadership. If Barack Obama is to fucking stupid to understand the 5 point plan then it's readily apparent he didn't pay attention to lectures in college on what leadership is within a company let alone the Government of the United States... or maybe he's too good for such things.
I'm glad you think I'm a joke because it shows me how utterly self righteous the left thinks they are for bringing their progressive viewpoints to the American mainstream.
It should be at your designated polling place. For future reference, request an absentee ballot in advance if you're going to be far from that polling place at the time of the election.
MidgarBlowedUp
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I didn't think you can use food stamps for Alcohol or Tobacco products.
Unless it's different for each state or something or my sarcasm meter is broken.
If you plan on dying soon and don't have kids, the deficit and debt are great for you. Other than that, they're eventually bad.
It can be substantial if it takes a long time to pay back because financing the interest on those debts could come from future generations which would see tax increases to help service the loans. Not an absolute situation but one best avoided. A low debt also gives the government more money to play with with respect to social programs, education, etc.
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Kitschkraft
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Thanks, I'll just go to the requested station then.
Oh and, I'm not particularly far from my polling place. It's just that one is on a bus route while the other is not. Not a huge deal luckily.
really? In 2012 we're having this discussion still? Apparently I'm stupid and we can spend money for infinity and have no consequences what so ever. How so? KHarvey16 just said so.
Interest rates are almost zero. They'll stay almost zero until the economy recovers. How does low debt give the government more money to play with? The government always has as much money as it wants.
ErasureAcer
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4 1/2 hours. Some town in NH votes.
To my first point: Seriously, Mitt's 5 point plan is the same as Bush's. We've been over this. Same crap, different idiot.
You don't expect social security or medicare? Why the fuck not? You should be demanding these things. Would you rather have old people (or be the old person) dying in the streets instead? There's no reason we have to give them up.
The part about our currency system and what the US's debt actually means. You should probably do some research.
So where does it come in that Obama doesn't understand Mitt's plan? I'm sure he understands it just fine. He understands that Mitt's basically blowing smoke up everyone's asses and practically promising everyone a pony. His vague plan is the same as Bush's and the same as McCain's. It's bullshit and it doesn't work. To what specifics Mitt has given up, his plan is impossible and has been proven impossible time and time again.
We've been in debt almost every single year of of our existence, the only exception being during the Jackson administration. Almost every single time we've seriously tried reigning in that debt we've crashed the economy.
The debt as it exists in our fiat monetary system is nothing more than a scoresheet. Yes, technically we can spend money (have a debt) for infinity with no consequences. The consequences that could come would come from inflation, which isn't a problem at this given time, not from some arbitrary debt number.
I asked you to explain why we couldn't. You haven't done that, and judging by your post you don't know how. It should be a simply question seeing as it's so incredibly obvious to you.
It's so cute how someone can't post their view without getting insulted. The party of tolerance. And somehow that survives a ban?
Ok so from the replies, I'm going to blame all of the above tomorrow. I hope everyone does the same! Seriously we need everyone involved with the blame machine.
SteveWinwood
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Due to interest rates being near zero, now is the perfect time for the United States to increase its debt to stimulate the economy through federal programs. The money will eventually need to be paid back, but the time to do that is after the economy has picked up and the government can safely get out of the way.
Great news! I'll be voting tomorrow at lunchtime, hopefully. If not, then right after the SO gets out of class, so 4ish. I'd like to avoid long lines though, so preferably right at noon or so.
Because the currency doesn't exist in a vaccum. You have competing currencies to worry about as well as inflation.
(On mob atm will hopefully post more later)
NullPointer
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And Obama's debt plan is a mixture of reductions in spending along with tax increases on upper incomes. This has already begun.
This plan exists in the real world and can be measured. It also makes sense.
This plan exists in the real world and can be measured. It also makes sense.
CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
Teehee
The "namecalling" isn't just from that particular post. I'm speaking to what he's posted overall. He's a partisan as evidenced by his... what 3 Benghazi threads.
And, come on, trying to say that our freedom is threatened from Obama yet totally won't be under Romney is not a serious argument to make. It's a joke.
Exactly. When the economy improves, tax revenue goes up. Paying it down becomes a much easier process.
Inflation is flat despite our debt. It could actually help us if it were a little higher in fact.
Woah, I'll need to keep an eye out for that Rogue beer. I didn't know they made such high ABV beers. :0
Wait so he's a joke cause he's "a partisan".... Like the dozens of Mitt Romney hidden camera or Fox News sucks lulz threads that get started daily? Are they partisans and jokes also?
Help me RDreamer! I need your wisdom.
What are you going to blame tomorrow? I'm taking an informal poll. So far all of the above is winning but I think I'm leaning toward media bias.
Leaving his record on the forum outside of this thread out of it, did you miss the Facebook post of his that he shared that started this off? There's a difference between being dismissive of people who disagree with you and being dismissive of people who post things like that.
Edit: Seriously, how far are you willing to take it? If someone comes in and in all seriousness starts going off on how it's important to keep government out of Medicare, are we allowed to be impolite?
So Bushes plan lead by Bush huh? Romney is a little higher up the IQ chain than W.
2ndly, no... why should I and why do you? This all ties into our debt and how we will not have money to pay for such fluff in the coming years because by default it is bankrupting us for paying for shit we cannot afford. To your point about old people dying in the streets, such hyperbole that it's a joke.
3rdly, oh you mean the part in which we talk about bonds and privately held securities of foreign investors and not directly tying our monetary policy to the American people? Look, I'm all for having a conversation about it but if I had to summarize it, I don't believe we making high enough returns on our debt that have been sold via bonds and securities to instill confidence in the American economy and dollar. Think I'm wrong? Fine but we cannot just keep spending without consequence of at the very least looking like a flake to foreign investors.
So how is Obama's plan different from Romney's?
He's not allowed to post what he believes? Is that just because you don't agree with it?
CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
Oh, he's allowed. We're also allowed to express our opinions on it.
Or are you one of those "FREE SPEECH MEANS YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO CRITICIZE WHAT I SAY!!!" people?
SteveWinwood
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CHEEZMO™;44016093 said:
1st amendment bro yeehaw
You will literally never change his mind. Throw all the data and studies you want at him.
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