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United States Election: Nov 6, 2012 |OT| - Barack Obama Re-elected

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DrForester

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Anno said:
Until today I hadn't received a single call from a Democrat-based pollster and probably 10 Republican calls. Just in the last five hours I've received 3 of each. Feels good to be in the middle of the battle!
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This 18 year old African American Female Republican who's voting Romney is sure going to miss giving the automated phone polls fake answers.
 
DietRob

DietRob

i've been begging for over 5 years.
Baby Milo said:
wow ohio is out of the competitive states bracket on 538
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Pctx

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Amir0x said:
I just wanted to try to seriously address something for a moment here, beneath the piling on. Because the shallow talking point is "Romney's 5 point plan is the same as Bush's." This is absolutely not the important thing at issue here. And we'll put aside that you think Romney is a "leader", for the moment, considering the way he has run his campaign at every step of the game save for the first debate.

Here is Romney's so-called 5 point plan. Because of how ridiculous it is to suggest it actually IS a plan, I'd suggest we walk you through it.



Here is what this says: WE NEED TO DEVELOP OUR ENERGY RESOURCES. Let's put aside that aggressive development of our resources has surged during the Obama administration for a second. What exactly is the detail in this plan that tells us HOW Romney is going to exploit our resources? What is he, in his role of president, going to do to expedite this process? Is he going to give yet more tax breaks to oil companies? Is he going to try to approach any of the green resources we have? Is he going to accelerate natural gas production (it's already at record highs) or drill more (we're already drilling at record levels)?

This is not a "plan." It's a vague reference to a positive thing that most people would probably nod their head about if they didn't really dig any deeper. It's a bell ring.



This is even more ridiculous. What, precisely, does "trade that works for America" mean? Can you explain it to me? Ah-Ah-Ah... not yet. Explain it to me without bringing any of your own ideas into your head, and only the details provided in the 5 point plan. Let's see... "Level the playing field" (Read: How?), "Work to Open new markets" (Read: How?), "Confront China" (Read: How? Specifically, how is he going to do this any differently than Obama, which has been extremely success in leveling tariffs against China?). This is once again not a plan, it's a positive assertion of a GOAL. Everyone has these goals! It's not a fucking plan.



This shit is fucking hilarious. Guys guys, I'm running for president. My plan is BETTER SCHOOLS, MORE ACCESS, BETTER TRAINING, BETTER EVERYTHING! The way I will do this is magic. Black magic! Again, this is not a plan. It's a goal. It's the vaguest, most ridiculously obvious, pie-in-the-sky goal ever in history. Romney can no more achieve this goal than the boil on my ass can; he knows as well as everyone else that the only way to tackle this is with spending, and he's already promised TAX CUTS FOR EVERYONE while simultaneously promising no rise in the deficit, so obviously this shit is off the goddamn table. Even as a wish!



More not-a-plan nonsense. Reciting Republican talking points does not a plan make. As every objective analysis of Romney's ACTUAL legitimate tax plan knows, there is no possible way he can do what he says and cut the deficit. Nor is there any possible way he can do what he says and reduce the size of the government, even as we just explode the size of our military. These are not plans. It's an affirmation of a goal he wants to achieve, with absolutely no detail whatsoever. And heck, you can even look at the more detailed version of his jobs plan - one, it's demonstrably clear it will raise the deficit and increase the size of the government. But putting that aside, it's also clear his more "detailed plan" doesn't even address the majority of the other 4 points!



Ah, he will "champion" small businesses, quite unlike the man who cut taxes on small businesses some 14 times in these 4 years. But who cares? This is actually more vague nonsense from Romney. It once again restates the talking points - REGULATIONS AND TAXES ARE BAD - and then says the ultimate throwaway line... "Mitt will pursue comprehensive tax reform that lowers tax rates for all Americans." Do you know how loaded that term is? It means nothing. Looking at his more "detailed" plan, it means even more of nothing. He just states he will do it. How? What aspects of the tax code will he reform? Flat tax? How much? Who? What? Where? How? He changes his mind, by the way, on how he will approach this some two dozen times this election cycle, so if you have the definitive answer on this I'd actually like to know.





Long story short, Pctx, it's not that you support Romney. It's that you support him with absolutely no self-awareness whatsoever. You support him just because it feels right, and Obama feels wrong. You don't actually know a fucking thing you're talking about.
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I support the guy because my values align with his and not Obama's. how is that any different than an Obama supporter who thinks the guy is cool? It's shallow sure but give the guy a fucking chance.... We did with Obama and he sucked it up.
 
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RDreamer

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Pctx said:
I support the guy because my values align with his and not Obama's. how is that any different than an Obama supporter who thinks the guy is cool? It's shallow sure but give the guy a fucking chance.... We did with Obama and he sucked it up.
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Well, at least you admit you're only a shallow supporter. I suppose that's all we ask of you.
 
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Amir0x

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Pctx said:
I support the guy because my values align with his and not Obama's. how is that any different than an Obama supporter who thinks the guy is cool? It's shallow sure but give the guy a fucking chance.... We did with Obama and he sucked it up.
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Man I typed up that long response and you didn't address a thing :(

I'm not saying you can't have a legitimate claim to supporting him because, er, you believe taxes and regulations are bad or something. I was saying that the actual reason you support him OVER the opposition is just empty. It's based on nothing.

Level with me for a moment, Pctx. It's pretty impossible to deny that Mitt Romney has changed positions on virtually every subject known to man sometimes three or four times this campaign cycle. All politicians do this to some degree; but I can say the false equivalency would be to suggest all politicians do it equally. Mitt Romney's level of shifting is unprecedented in modern politics. I charted it once, and Mitt Romney (or his campaign) on one particular night changed his position 4 times in the span of 6 hours.

So, how do you feel comfortable knowing who you will get on November 6? Will you get Mr. "Massachusetts Moderate"? Will you get the SEVERE CONSERVATIVE? Will you get the guy who is a weak knuckled limpwrister who has buckled to every whim of his party hardliners? How can you tell?

I am asking this question genuinely, because I am wondering if there is some clue you guys pick up on that allows you to narrow it down. Maybe it would help me understand your perspective a little more.
 
Rentahamster

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
Stumpokapow said:
This is a weird trivia question -- taking into account all levels of politics (Presidential vote, Senates, House delegation, State governor, State Lt Gov, State Secretary of State, State House, State Senate, any other relevant factors like partisan municipal elections) -- which state is the most dominated by a single party, today?

I think the answer is Connecticut, but I'm not sure. Vermont and Utah throw up bigger margins, but Vermont has a (R) Lt Gov and Utah has a Democratic house member.

Connecticut:
- 60%-39% Obama in 2008
- D Gov
- D Lt Gov
- D Secretary of State
- Close to D supermajority in State House
- D Supermajority in State Senate
- 5xD in House of Representatives
- 2xD in Senate (and has been since 1990)
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It's Hawaii.
 
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RDreamer

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Amir0x said:
Man I typed up that long response and you didn't address a thing :(

I'm not saying you can't have a legitimate claim to supporting him because, er, you believe taxes and regulations are bad or something. I was saying that the actual reason you support him OVER the opposition is just empty. It's based on nothing.

Level with me for a moment, Pctx. It's pretty impossible to deny that Mitt Romney has changed positions on virtually every subject known to man sometimes three or four times this campaign cycle. All politicians do this to some degree; but I can say the false equivalency would be to suggest all politicians do it equally. Mitt Romney's level of shifting is unprecedented in modern politics. I charted it once, and Mitt Romney (or his campaign) on one particular night changed his position 4 times in the span of 6 hours.

So, how do you feel comfortable knowing who you will get on November 6? Will you get Mr. "Massachusetts Moderate"? Will you get the SEVERE CONSERVATIVE? Will you get the guy who is a weak knuckled limpwrister who has buckled to every whim of his party hardliners? How can you tell?

I am asking this question genuinely, because I am wondering if there is some clue you guys pick up on that allows you to narrow it down. Maybe it would help me understand your perspective a little more.
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I too would like to know this about Romney supporters. I get the value stuff, since I was a republican not terribly long ago. I get that. What I do not get is how Romney at all fits into that. When I read an article saying his own foreign policy advisors have no idea how he'd actually govern, that's scary. How do you make a value assessment on that?
 
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kaskade

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I really hope Nate Silver is right. I haven't really heard of him until this thread but it seems like he pretty much actively predicted the last election almost perfectly. I live in a predominantly Romney area and I want to see the meltdowns on Facebook.
 
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bluelightningduo

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Anno said:
Until today I hadn't received a single call from a Democrat-based pollster and probably 10 Republican calls. Just in the last five hours I've received 3 of each. Feels good to be in the middle of the battle!
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I've gotten 4 calls today, 3 democrat based 1 republican based. Gonna be interesting following our state tomorrow (based on your avatar I assume you're in Ohio as well).
 
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Zeth

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Can we have a thread for Facebook/Twitter screen caps tomorrow? That would be fun. Though I guess we'll get them in this thread anyway.
 
Schattenjäger

Schattenjäger

Gabriel Knight
Amir0x said:
Man I typed up that long response and you didn't address a thing :(

I'm not saying you can't have a legitimate claim to supporting him because, er, you believe taxes and regulations are bad or something. I was saying that the actual reason you support him OVER the opposition is just empty. It's based on nothing.

Level with me for a moment, Pctx. It's pretty impossible to deny that Mitt Romney has changed positions on virtually every subject known to man sometimes three or four times this campaign cycle. All politicians do this to some degree; but I can say the false equivalency would be to suggest all politicians do it equally. Mitt Romney's level of shifting is unprecedented in modern politics. I charted it once, and Mitt Romney (or his campaign) on one particular night changed his position 4 times in the span of 6 hours.

So, how do you feel comfortable knowing who you will get on November 6? Will you get Mr. "Massachusetts Moderate"? Will you get the SEVERE CONSERVATIVE? Will you get the guy who is a weak knuckled limpwrister who has buckled to every whim of his party hardliners? How can you tell?

I am asking this question genuinely, because I am wondering if there is some clue you guys pick up on that allows you to narrow it down. Maybe it would help me understand your perspective a little more.
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Romney is doing all he can against a very popular president that will be tough to unseat. He needs to appeal to all factions of the GOP and in doing so act like a real life Many-Faces from Masters of the Universe. Yes, his 5 point plan is very hollow but its still a plan. There's a great majority of people in this country that are uninformed and don't take the time to research the candidates. His 5 point plan will suffice for those type of people. Having a hollow plan is better than a failed plan - and when I say failed plan I mean the majority of Obama's campaign promises being not fulfilled.
If Romney wins, I really think moderate Romney shows up as I think he truly, really wants to do a good job and the only way he can do it is by reaching across and working with the democrats. He's already rich and he desperately wants a positive lasting legacy (partially to make up for his father's failure).
 
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FINALBOSS

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Schattenjäger;44018806 said:
Romney is doing all he can against a very popular president that will be tough to unseat. He needs to appeal to all factions of the GOP and in doing so act like a real life Many-Faces from Masters of the Universe. Yes, his 5 point plan is very hollow but its still a plan. There's a great majority of people in this country that are uninformed and don't take the time to research the candidates. His 5 point plan will suffice for those type of people. Having a hollow plan is better than a failed plan - and when I say failed plan I mean the majority of Obama's campaign promises being not fulfilled.
If Romney wins, I really think moderate Romney shows up as I think he truly, really wants to do a good job and the only way he can do it is by reaching across and working with the democrats. He's already rich and he desperately wants a positive lasting legacy (partially to make up for his father's failure).
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I think Romney only wants to make his father proud.


EDIT: L O FUCKING L at that map above me. Enjoy your 48 ban LOL Did you deliberately switch all the Dem states to Republican ones and vice versa? LOL
 
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grimshawish

Banned
BBC:
2128: So it's official: Pennsylvania is in play, the Obama team says. Deputy campaign manager Stephanie Cutter tells CNN's Anderson Cooper the state has "tightened". That would explain all the campaigning there in the past few days.
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2131: Also, Pennsylvania has no early voting. So there's more in play in the Keystone State than in other places where significant portions of the electorate may have already made their choice.
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Does this hold for anything significant/upsets?
 
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Piecake

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Schattenjäger;44018806 said:
Romney is doing all he can against a very popular president that will be tough to unseat. He needs to appeal to all factions of the GOP and in doing so act like a real life Many-Faces from Masters of the Universe. Yes, his 5 point plan is very hollow but its still a plan. There's a great majority of people in this country that are uninformed and don't take the time to research the candidates. His 5 point plan will suffice for those type of people. Having a hollow plan is better than a failed plan - and when I say failed plan I mean the majority of Obama's campaign promises being not fulfilled.
If Romney wins, I really think moderate Romney shows up as I think he truly, really wants to do a good job and the only way he can do it is by reaching across and working with the democrats. He's already rich and he desperately wants a positive lasting legacy (partially to make up for his father's failure).
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You need to psychoanalyze Romeny to figure out what he believes and what he is going to do.
 
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elty

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I was checking various betting site and Romney odds is still 4.33 (means if you bet $1, you can get $4.33 if he win). Obama is at 1.25.

Sounds like a deal for the people at unskew polls.
 
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