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[Gotchaye]

Because you think its ok to take from others by force to ensure people have the things they need. There are still people that need things, so if you have something of value you dont "need", isnt it ideologically consistent for you to give up those things so that people in need wont be?

In case you're not just trolling at this point:

You sound like the creationists who say things like "if evolution is true, why are there still monkeys?". Regardless of the merits of your position, you've clearly misunderstood where liberals are coming from, and you just as clearly think you haven't. It's not anyone else's job to educate you. Read a book.

 

[Xplatformer]

Currently watching Paul Ryan speak, and I'm not paying a lick of attention, but I have to say, the lady with the long gray hair is very attractive.

Hell yeah she is. MILF.

 

[The Technomancer]

The same way I do now, by volunteering my time, money and efforts to worthwhile causes. I'm a big fan of Big Bros and March of Dimes. I dont happen to know or care about any political affiliation they have so plesse don't make that an argument.

If charity was sufficient, government services wouldn't have been implemented in the first place. They wouldn't be needed!

 

[rohlfinator]

Why is it ok for you to have a flat screen tv when someone else is hungry?

Where does the idea of democracy factor into this, or are you suggesting that the scenario you are proposing is philosophically identical to, for example, a town electing to raise taxes to pay for a new school?

 

[HylianTom]

Seriously, why are we debating the ethics that form the entire basis for society as a whole, and especially modern society as a whole in a presidential election thread? We're not voting in order to completely dismantle everything because we suddenly feel it's all unethical or not. We decided that long ago. It's ethical. We decided to have a sort of representative social democracy with a mixed economy, too, a while ago. Now we're deciding a few people in that democracy.

Can we leave the debates about the entirety of society as a whole to other threads? Seems a bit out of place here...

The temper tantrums over the next few days and weeks are going to take various forms. This is one of them, I'm guessing. Whining about "stealing by force" and whatnot.

 

[Movement]

Hell yeah she is. MILF.

Unfortunately she supports Ryan.

 

[hokahey]

In case you're not just trolling at this point:

You sound like the creationists who say things like "if evolution is true, why are there still monkeys". Regardless of the merits of your position, you've clearly misunderstood where liberals are coming from, and you just as clearly think you haven't. It's not anyone else's job to educate you. Read a book.

Terrible logic and rebuttal. Ad hominen attacks backed by "read a book dude." Ive read quite a few. I was inviting legitimate debate. If youre not interested please keep your insults to yourself.

 

[C.Dark.DN]

Unfortunately she supports Ryan.

MILAF

 

[kaching]

I'm kinda hungry right now. Someone send me their flat screen tv.

 

[RDreamer]

Unfortunately she supports Ryan.

I'd like to have one hate-fuck in my life with someone that disagrees with me vehemently politically.

Just one.

 

[Xplatformer]

Normally I think Michelle is an externally ugly woman. (Love her on the inside)



Tonight.....she lookin'...kinda doable. Sorry, I know...she's the first lady. I'm just sayin'.

 

[Angelus Errare]

Unfortunately she supports Ryan.

Nothing 50mins of fun can't change.

 

[HylianTom]

MILAF

 

[DarkFlow]

Currently watching Paul Ryan speak, and I'm not paying a lick of attention, but I have to say, the lady with the long gray hair is very attractive.

I think she might be too far into the crazy.

 

[The Technomancer]

Terrible logic and rebuttal. Ad hominen attacks backed by "read a book dude." Ive read quite a few. I was inviting legitimate debate. If youre not interested please keep your insults to yourself.

What books have you read that have led you to think "no-one can have luxuries while some people still suffer" is an accurate representation of liberal welfare policy?

 

[VALIS]

Currently watching Paul Ryan speak, and I'm not paying a lick of attention, but I have to say, the lady with the long gray hair is very attractive.

A lot of those people are paid to be back there (or they volunteer, or whatever). I'm not saying she definitely is a plant, of course, but it's a possibility.

And before some right leaning GAFer has a bitch fit, I'm sure the Obama campaign has had campaign rally plants, too.

 

[Gary Whitta]

Wow this thread got derailed hard. I'm disengaging from the Ayn Rand civics lesson and getting back to fretting about tomorrow's results!

 

[rohlfinator]

Dammit. I don't have cable OR rabbit ears.

Where can I stream election coverage over the net? Not mobile, plain old desktop.

C-Span streams on their site, I think some of the cable networks usually stream during elections also.

 

[Orbis Tabula]

Terrible logic and rebuttal. Ad hominen attacks backed by "read a book dude." Ive read quite a few. I was inviting legitimate debate. If youre not interested please keep your insults to yourself.

That wasn't ad hominem.
Ad hominem is "You sound stupid, therefore your argument was wrong."
Not what he said, "Your argument was wrong, therefore you sound stupid."

 

[Gotchaye]

Terrible logic and rebuttal. Ad hominen attacks backed by "read a book dude." Ive read quite a few. I was inviting legitimate debate. If youre not interested please keep your insults to yourself.

So, trolling. I didn't attempt to offer a rebuttal. It's not possible to offer a rebuttal because you haven't actually put forward an argument. You've mistakenly attributed views to liberals that liberals don't have. That's all. You're ignorant of what liberals actually believe. I'm not telling you to read a book in order to see that liberalism is correct. I'm telling you to read a book to see what liberalism is. This was obvious from my post. Learn to read.

 

[Angelus Errare]

I think she might be too far into the crazy.

I dunno as I continue watching this video I don't think my eyes have once left her...she's pretty damn hot man and the gray long hair just makes it even better. That's one bit of crazy I'd take for 50mins, she can call me a muslim terrorist socialist bastard as we fuck. It'd be a turn on.

 

[Necromanti]

Terrible logic and rebuttal. Ad hominen attacks backed by "read a book dude." Ive read quite a few. I was inviting legitimate debate. If youre not interested please keep your insults to yourself.

It would be easier if you just ignored posts you feel are not conducive to discussion and instead addressed the more valid counterarguments (and perhaps elucidated upon your own). Would probably spare you some frustration.

 

[pigeon]

First votes in the US in Dixville Notch just came in

5 Obama
5 Romney

First tie ever in this precinct.

This is the best thing ever.

Also, yeah, probably a slightly good sign for Obama. They usually go right.

 

[Flo_Evans]

Is it ethical to laugh in republicans faces tomorrow?

 

[Piecake]

What books have you read that have led you to think "no-one can have luxuries while some people still suffer" is an accurate representation of liberal welfare policy?

He seems to be someone who thinks philosophical consistency is extremely important. Personally, i couldnt care less if I am philosophically consistent or not.

 

[fallagin]

Is it ethical to laugh in republicans faces tomorrow?

Only if you're a witch!

 

[IrishNinja]

some of these models on the last page are a trip...i'm guessing ya'll aren't following polls much

The first thing I did when playing with the 512 gadget is give FL to Romney and start from there, I'll be really surprised if it goes for Obama.

THANKS RICK SCOT

 

[Samyy]

Is it ethical to laugh in republicans faces tomorrow?

Be the bigger man, don't stoop to their level

 

[HylianTom]

This is the best thing ever.

Also, yeah, probably a slightly good sign for Obama. They usually go right.

posted in the community thread..

Hart's Location, NH has now voted:
Obama: 23
Romney: 9

For comparison, 2008:
Obama: 17
McCain: 10

A really good trend for New Hampshire.

 

[Xplatformer]

posted in the community thread..

Hart's Location, NH has now voted:
Obama: 23
Romney: 9

For comparison, 2008:
Obama: 17
McCain: 10

A really good trend for New Hampshire.

Wouldn't that be one of the states that would know Romney the best?

 

[hokahey]

While charity is commendable and you are an awesome person for doing it, it will never be enough so that everyone will have an equal, or close to it, opportunity to succeed in life. That is what taxes and government programs/services are for. It is simply way too big for charity to handle. And I think that is what society should provide an equal chance to succeed by having access to a good education and good health care. That simply wont work if you get rid of taxes, make everything private and rely on charity to help children who were born to poor parents succeed

I suppose I have a less pessimistic view on society.

2 points:

1. If you were given more of your own money back, and were aware of charities now more in need due to defunded federal programs, would you not donate more? Would we as a society not take more responsibility knowing there was no magic program there to fix it? Would it not be extra beneficial to have the choice to allow the most effective charities receive your money?

2. We all know someone that abuses a particular "hand out" program. If you dont, Im.shocked. I know countless, from unemployment to disability. If nothing else, most honest people agree these programs are ripe with abuse.

No abuse + increased charitable giving = a better solution and more productive society.

 

[NullPointer]

Be the bigger man, don't stoop to their level

Yes. Stand on something tall before laughing. Good advice. Lets it carry farther.

No abuse + increased charitable giving = a better solution and more productive society.

Oh man. Its going to be a long night.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

First votes cast in Dixville Notch, New Hampshire

it begins

 

[Mackenzie 92]

Hmm, apparently Minn hasn't gone red since 72, longest current streak of any state.

 

[hokahey]

What books have you read that have led you to think "no-one can have luxuries while some people still suffer" is an accurate representation of liberal welfare policy?

Its taking an idea to its logical conclusion.

 

[RDreamer]

2. We all know someone that abuses a particular "hand out" program. If you dont, Im.shocked. I know countless, from unemployment to disability. If nothing else, most honest people agree these programs are ripe with abuse.

I don't.

Not a single one.

Every single person I've known that has gone on unemployment has only done so for a couple months or so until they get a job. Same for disability, basically. I literally know no one that has abused a hand out program.

 

[Angelus Errare]

Yes. Stand on something tall before laughing. Good advice. Lets it carry farther.

 

[hokahey]

That wasn't ad hominem.
Ad hominem is "You sound stupid, therefore your argument was wrong."
Not what he said, "Your argument was wrong, therefore you sound stupid."

The implication from the creationist insult was "youre stupid."

 

[Gary Whitta]

I'm liking these early NH numbers, small as they are.

 

[Xplatformer]

Shit...Microsoft came out with a tablet that they themselves designed. That shit happened during an Obama administration. He got my vote.


Yes we can Microsoft, Yes we can.

 

[Piecake]

I suppose I have a less pessimistic view on society.

2 points:

1. If you were given more of your own money back, and were aware of charities now more in need due to defunded federal programs, would you not donate more? Would we as a society not take more responsibility knowing there was no magic program there to fix it? Would it not be extra beneficial to have the choice to allow the most effective charities receive your money?

2. We all know someone that abuses a particular "hand out" program. If you dont, Im.shocked. I know countless, from unemployment to disability. If nothing else, most honest people agree these programs are ripe with abuse.

No abuse + increased charitable giving = a better solution and more productive society.

I would consider that very naive and idealistic thinking. And I dont think those programs are ripe with abuse. Im sure someone will have actual data, but welfare/medicare fraud is quite low.

 

[hokahey]

So, trolling. I didn't attempt to offer a rebuttal. It's not possible to offer a rebuttal because you haven't actually put forward an argument. You've mistakenly attributed views to liberals that liberals don't have. That's all. You're ignorant of what liberals actually believe. I'm not telling you to read a book in order to see that liberalism is correct. I'm telling you to read a book to see what liberalism is. This was obvious from my post. Learn to read.

I am actually very socially liberal. I know the term well. Youre talking in circles.

 

[KHarvey16]

I suppose I have a less pessimistic view on society.

2 points:

1. If you were given more of your own money back, and were aware of charities now more in need due to defunded federal programs, would you not donate more? Would we as a society not take more responsibility knowing there was no magic program there to fix it? Would it not be extra beneficial to have the choice to allow the most effective charities receive your money?

2. We all know someone that abuses a particular "hand out" program. If you dont, Im.shocked. I know countless, from unemployment to disability. If nothing else, most honest people agree these programs are ripe with abuse.

No abuse + increased charitable giving = a better solution and more productive society.

Do you honestly believe a society that depends solely on charity would not be extremely busy fighting charities that abused their contributors money? I can think of plenty of charity scandals even now, and that's with the vast, vast, vast majority of aid being provided by the government.

 

[rohlfinator]

Its taking an idea to its logical conclusion.

Also known as reductio ad absurdum, since we're tossing around logical fallacies.

 

[The Technomancer]

I suppose I have a less pessimistic view on society.

2 points:

1. If you were given more of your own money back, and were aware of charities now more in need due to defunded federal programs, would you not donate more? Would we as a society not take more responsibility knowing there was no magic program there to fix it? Would it not be extra beneficial to have the choice to allow the most effective charities receive your money?

2. We all know someone that abuses a particular "hand out" program. If you dont, Im.shocked. I know countless, from unemployment to disability. If nothing else, most honest people agree these programs are ripe with abuse.

No abuse + increased charitable giving = a better solution and more productive society.

1.) Have charity donation rates increased in proportion to the tax decreases of the past several decades?

2.) Citation? You can't just say "rife with abuse" without actual studies to back it up. Not "I know a couple people who abuse the system"

 

[thcsquad]

So does anyone have video links to these final campaign speeches? I've heard people mentioning Obama speaking but I haven't seen it.

Massachusetts here. Hoping to get Elizabeth Warren in and medical marijuana legalized. I mean, Montana did it eight years ago, why is the first state to allow same sex marriage still living in the last millenium?

 

[fallagin]

Be the bigger man, don't stoop to their level

Mitt Romney will also be partaking of the laughing at republicans, so I think its ok for us to do it as well.

 

[Xplatformer]

I don't.

Not a single one.

Every single person I've known that has gone on unemployment has only done so for a couple months or so until they get a job. Same for disability, basically. I literally know no one that has abused a hand out program.

I know two. Doesn't mean shit because I'm sure there are multitudes more than don't and actually benefit from a "handout program".

 

[Earthstrike]

It's a tiny precinct in NH, literally just a handful of votes, that always declares first, right at midnight local time on election day. It has about as much bellwether relevance as Groundhog Day in Punxsatawney.

I know it's not relevant, but I was thinking that maybe votes were coming in from military bases or something. Guess not.

 

[kaching]

Yeah, charities! Those never get abused or exploited. They're like impervious or something. I dunno, I read a book about it.