Has a lot more to do with a year of ads stating he is a boogieman out to eat your children then when he gets on TV he isn't a boogieman. Its one reason why such ads can do more harm than good.
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United States Election: Nov 6, 2012 |OT| - Barack Obama Re-elected
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Has a lot more to do with a year of ads stating he is a boogieman out to eat your children then when he gets on TV he isn't a boogieman. Its one reason why such ads can do more harm than good.
CHEEZMO
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Yeah, he comes up with much better ones all by himself.
At that point do you guys start working on hating the latest moderate Republican, or do you wait until he's basically a shoe-in for the nomination, and then start hating him?
.George Carlin said:
I simply dont understand how anyone can vote for a guy who constantly changes his position on basically every single issue.
How can you trust a guy like that?
If he actually was a moderate republican, or possibly if he wasn't on both sides of every issue and had at least some conviction, then perhaps I wouldn't treat him with quite as much disdain.
Karma Kramer
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I don't get what you are arguing? The electorate is controlled by the two parties and media, aka corporate government/society aka fascism. You can look up who Obama puts on his cabinet and all that jazz, everyone knows about this... to act like the Democrats just can't be pro-active with their idealism and the Republicans can go on about Kenyan born President and all this other crazy shit then I guess I am giving too much credit to the American people (even tho they poll in favor of things like universal health care, ending the wars, wall street prosecution, work rights, etc_)
In fairness, liberal-gaf loooooves Huntsman, to the extent of attributing positions to him that are further left than anything he's actually done.
If you think the democrats could straight up run on a government takeover of healthcare you're loony. You know why Obamacare is characterized as that on the right? Because the American people are vehemently opposed to that as a concept. It's sad, yes, but that's reality.
Indeed.... It's kind of crazy.
Though I think most would have turned on him if he had actually won the primary. I still think he would have been the best nominee, and I said that out loud a lot during the primaries, but that didn't mean I would have supported him or his policies at all.
I guess. His sudden popularity surge after those debates really made me "wut" out loud. Any time I've seen Romney open his mouth, I've had that MichonneLiveActionLookofDisapproval.gif feeling.
Rocket Punch
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Someone was asking for this poll graph a few pages back...
Huntsman is too sane to be a Republican. He should become a Canadian citizen and run as a Liberal.
Huntsman is too sane to be a Republican. He should become a Canadian citizen and run as a Liberal.
NullPointer
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I didn't hold any contempt for Romney before he pulled his Libya stunt and we all got hear his views of the 47%. He earned every last bit of my ire on his own, not because he has a "R" next to his name. Hell, I've listened to the man and don't have any sense of what he actually believes on major issues. Even his endorsements come with the disclaimer that you shouldn't believe what he's been saying in his campaign - and that *wink* *wink* They're sure he'll be a moderate once he's in the White House.
If anything its his supporters that line up behind him for no other reason than he's the least worst of the players on their team.
Its one of those weird quirks people have. Once they see he isn't the boogieman they start to second guess what they hear.
If we could keep elections on the issues solely things could go so much better. I am just honestly glad that I don't live in a swing state regardless of affiliation. That has to suck
DrForester
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It has a lot. Up until 2 weeks ago, I had only seen one official ad from either candidates campaign that wasn't demonizing the other guy. Now, in an effort to try and be slightly more positive, they've both put out a few ads that don't mention the other guy, but generally it's just the two candidates demonizing each other. My joy on Tuesday will not come from who wins, but joy that one of these two assholes lost.
Wouldnt surprise me if everyone in Ohio and Florida is in favor of getting rid of the electoral college.
Ghost_Protocol
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What will happen if Obama wins Florida AND Ohio? Will people be rioting in the streets?
10%
DrForester
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I'd like to see a requirement that all states split their EC votes depending on the popular vote. Never sat right with me that people in hard leaning states never have a voice in who becomes president, and states where it's close effectively have half the electorate tossed out.
Maybe it's because I'm out in the country, but it feels a lot closer than the polls say. I'd be surprised if Ohio is decided on election night.
An important first step to real election reform. That's probably why they'll fight so hard against it.
Then whats the point of the electoral college? Just get rid of it at that point. (we should get rid of it)
There was a thread a while back.. "Post here if you think Romney will win"
Here it is.
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=489905
I'm the 1% bro.
Anticitizen One
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uh halo isn't big anymore. Kids play call of duty and gears now
Wafflecakes
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Doesn't change the fact that he is a reasonable, intelligent, articulate, and nice guy.
I would vote for him.
Huntsman 2016 plz
rohlfinator
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Good post. That is one thing I never understood about the third party movement of late -- even if Stein (or whoever) gets their 5% of the popular vote, they will still get utterly ignored because the media cycle will be done with election coverage anyway.
That said, I would like to see third party candidates get into at least one of the main debates, if only because they could call the mainstream candidates on their bullshit when the moderators are unable/unwilling.
*note : most of GAF would be considered crazy extremist socialist communists by most of the American electorate.
I hope that Obama wins. A transition to Romney would bring back some of GWB's former staff, more of the same previous policies of four years ago and then into oblivion. Plus there hasn't been any major terrorist attack on US interests during the Obama administration since what happened recently at Benghazi.
People like Jon Huntsman, Mitt Romney (Massachusetts governor era) and John McCain (2000 primary era) are far from my ideal presidential candidates, but I wouldn't freak out if they were to be elected. There plenty of policies that I would be in favor in that, in theory, a moderate Republican should have no problem pushing through (opening up more trade agreements, lowering the corporate tax rate, eliminating things like the mortgage interest rate deduction, reducing spending on the prison system, maybe immigration reform). Even better, a moderate may refrain from pushing for policies related to social conservatism.
The problem is that much of the current Romney's rhetoric, when it's not intentionally vague, comes across as extreme and non-constructive to me. Pledging to immediately label China as a currency manipulator, opposing the legalization of gay marriage, reducing tax rate across the board while not identifying any specific loopholes or deductions to close, aggressively promoting "clean coal", pledging to significantly increase military spending... no thanks.
makingmusic476
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1984: LSU 16, Alabama 14. Ronald Reagan (R) demolishes Walter Mondale (D).
1988: LSU 19, Alabama 18. George H.W. Bush (R) defeats Michael Dukakis (D).
1992: Alabama 31, LSU 11. Bill Clinton (D) defeats George H.W. Bush (R).
1996: Alabama 26, LSU 0. Clinton (D) defeats Bob Dole (R).
2000: LSU 30, Alabama 28. George W. Bush (R) defeats Al Gore (D).
2004: LSU 26, Alabama 10. George W. Bush (R) defeats John Kerry (D).
2008: Alabama 27, LSU 21. Barack Obama (D) defeats John McCain (R).
...and Bama won tonight.
1988: LSU 19, Alabama 18. George H.W. Bush (R) defeats Michael Dukakis (D).
1992: Alabama 31, LSU 11. Bill Clinton (D) defeats George H.W. Bush (R).
1996: Alabama 26, LSU 0. Clinton (D) defeats Bob Dole (R).
2000: LSU 30, Alabama 28. George W. Bush (R) defeats Al Gore (D).
2004: LSU 26, Alabama 10. George W. Bush (R) defeats John Kerry (D).
2008: Alabama 27, LSU 21. Barack Obama (D) defeats John McCain (R).
...and Bama won tonight.
Paul Ryan plan isn't a reasonable nor is it an intelligent plan.
That's why Ron Paul was fun in the Republican primary. I would never vote for the guy, but yeah it was fun seeing him call some of that stuff.
I don't really think you need to see third party candidates for that, though. Ron Paul can get into the primary as a republican and he's basically libertarian. Some pretty liberal people could get into the democratic primary, and shake things up. We just have to push them into that race.
If only Mountain Dew had Obama Berry Blast! and Romney Power Slice! flavors.
If McCain had been the nominee in 2000 I'd have voted for him. It really bothers me to see him turn into another talking head in the years since...
Who the fuck believes this tripe in regards to GWB anything. You people are desperate.
rohlfinator
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Even with proportional votes like that, it would still weight the votes so that smaller states have greater representation than they would with a straight popular vote. (Which I think is bullshit, but there are arguments that can be made in favor of that system.)
CherryWoodFuton
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Gonna vote for Obummer via proxy (gf, sister, friends)
You do realize that 17 of 24 foreign policy advisors for Romney served in the Bush-Cheney administration, right?
He's also running on basically the same 5 point plan as Bush. If you think he isn't bringing some of the same policies as Bush then I've got a bridge to sell you...
Desperate? I think most people who support Obama are pretty confident that he is going to win
Oh the tears will be so salty. Mmmm...delicious.
But what RD said. He's surrounded by neocons if you paid attention.
rohlfinator
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I'd like to see them outside of the primary races, though. A lot of people don't start paying attention until the Presidential debates, and by that point the alternative views have already been filtered out. I mean, the foreign policy debate was basically just Romney saying, "I'll do exactly what he's doing, but better!"
So that means he's going to do the exact same thing as GW verbatim?
the american conservative said:
http://www.theamericanconservative....s-a-leading-candidate-for-secretary-of-state/
wikipedia said:
I dunno, man.
DrForester
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I don't think getting rid of it is the right Idea, but splitting the EC would require candidates to campaign around the country, and better understand, and hopefully represent those people.
Its Ptcx ...
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
To be fair to reality, Obama has gotten lucky a couple times. A lot of terrorists, fortunately for us, fall into the low, low scale of intelligence.
IrishNinja
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okay, im suddenly quite interested in both of these two
Who said that? The guy you quoted just said "more" of the same policies from Bush. And, judging from his advisors and his plans that's definitely true.
I want to believe.
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