I thought that 'Untangling the Mereeneese knot' shed a whole new light on her ruling and storyline in general.
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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 4 - Sundays on HBO
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bodyofanamerican
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'Game of Thrones' star Alfie Allen on Theon's torture
Little bit of a tease of what's to come in Season 4 at the end of the interview.
Little bit of a tease of what's to come in Season 4 at the end of the interview.
Cornballer
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- EW interview: Sophie Turner on S4
bengraven
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peanutbutterlatte
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So they originally told him he was going to die at the end of Season 2, and kept him hanging for 3 weeks as a joke. Martin has taught them well!
bodyofanamerican
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Also "(this new version of the character)". Man, I cannot wait for those scenes.
I have a question that relates to the show and books.
In this fantasy world, there are dragons, magic, monsters, and other things that are fantasy-oriented in nature.
However, there are also characters who believe that all the "gods" are superstitions, just as many people do in the real world.
Then you have characters like Melisandre and Beric Dondarrion who claim to worship a god who grants them power, such as giving birth to shadow monsters or coming back from the dead.
So here's my question. Is the show's conception of religion like that of the real world, where some people believe in a higher power and others find that unconvincing? Are there actual gods operating behind the scenes?
Are those who give the gods credit for their actions just manipulating magic and calling it religion?
In this fantasy world, there are dragons, magic, monsters, and other things that are fantasy-oriented in nature.
However, there are also characters who believe that all the "gods" are superstitions, just as many people do in the real world.
Then you have characters like Melisandre and Beric Dondarrion who claim to worship a god who grants them power, such as giving birth to shadow monsters or coming back from the dead.
So here's my question. Is the show's conception of religion like that of the real world, where some people believe in a higher power and others find that unconvincing? Are there actual gods operating behind the scenes?
Are those who give the gods credit for their actions just manipulating magic and calling it religion?
Most of those who follow religion in GoT do believe it. The actual priests and stuff anyway, maybe not the normal people. Whilst we don't truly know where the power of certain characters comes from, they truly believe it is granted by gods in the case of the Red priests. It's just whether they are misguided or not. As for other religions, the seven haven't really displayed power at all, only the old gods have also displayed any kind of power other than the red one.
The everyday workings of the religions are like our ones, yes.
I'm always shocked by the lack of love Asha gets. She's the best! She pretty much singlehandedly carried the Greyjoy story in Feast for me. I hope the show can eventually find a way to do her justice.
As for Dany vs. Stannis, Dance puts them on almost opposite arcs. Dany is getting her willingness to compromise and her aversion to violence beaten out of her by the way things have turned out in Meereen, while Stannis learned more and more how to work with the Northerners and earn their respect. Stannis' religion is definitely a mark against him, but he never really seems to believe it all that much. He just does what he has to to maintain Melisandre's support. Dany is probably the greater zealot; it's just that her zealotry isn't about a god, it's about herself and her rights. Sometimes that zealotry has good results, like freeing the slaves, since Dany really does have solid ideals, but she never responds well when those ideals are frustrated.
I think yeah, the religions and gods in the books are basically people anthropomorphising natural forces that they don't understand. The prime example of that is the ironborn seeing the drowned god in CPR. The rest of the gods are probably all similar phenomena, just using magical forces that don't exist in our world. Some sort of blood magic seems to be the link between all the religions and their magic. Rhllorists burn blood, northerners pour it into trees, Faceless Men kill people and take their faces. It always comes back to that idea of life paying for magic.
Moff
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I dont know if the gods are rally gods as we know them, but there are certainly powerful users of magic, undead and dragons.
and the people who dont believe in them simply havent seen it themselves, and only few have.
except for the dragons, I think the existence of them is pretty much accepted everywhere. the targaryien conquest wasnt that long ago.
WhereAreMahDragonz
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I'm always shocked by the lack of love Asha gets. She's the best! She pretty much singlehandedly carried the Greyjoy story in Feast for me. I hope the show can eventually find a way to do her justice.
She would make an awesome ruler. I hope it happens, but probably not
.WhereAreMahDragonz
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The Unburnt, Breaker of Chains, and Mother of Dragons.
Dusk Soldier
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I think that last book will take place almost entirely during the long night part 2. There's no way they'll stop the white walker army without dragons.
She would make an awesome ruler. I hope it happens, but probably not
As she seems to be going after Ramsay in the show Iv'e got my doubts as to whether she'll be around by book 7...
Where does the name "Stormborn" come from?
She was born during a storm.
You Know Nothing
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She was born during a really, really bad storm.
Really, now, I believe every god has a certain power in the place he's worshipped in. It's said that the Old Gods have power in the North, mainly because of the Weirwoods and the fact that people worship them over there. The Seven have some kind of power in the southron lands, but lack power in the North. The Lord of Light seems like the most powerful one, we've seen his shadows working.
But at the end, there's only one god, the many faced god.
She was born during a storm. Simple as that, really.
There was a big storm on Dragonstone the night she was born I think.
I think the salt from the stormy seas is thought by some people to be the 'salt' of the Azor Ahai prophesy, but that seemed to be pushing it to me. I prefer the idea that there's no Valyrian word for snow and 'salt' is a mistranslation, so 'salt and smoke' is 'ice and fire'.
But we haven't seen any of that power like ever despite the Seven being the most predominant religion in the country.
Mercy, plug, pls.
That's why I typed "some kind". Because they must have something, right? lol
We honestly don't know.
But Renly's death and TreeBran are definitely proof of something
Would you be so kind as to share your opinion on the drowned god with us, dearest pulga? Thank you.
old gods >>>>>>>>>>>> r'hllor
pulga
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Victarion drops that fool harder than Dany drops a deuce once he meets Moqorro.
AlI it's really proof of is that magic exist. Perhaps there is a sort of primal force in the universe something brought back the dragons just in time to counter the resurgence of the White Walkers.
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He still drowns those 7 whores. Sure, they might have been burned a little. Dude worships everyone. He's a godly man
Yeah the Seven are shit, completely useless. Can't even summon shadow demons, some gods pfft.
The Lord of Light shits out better gods than the Seven.
CitizenVectron
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I predict that in the end, there will be no gods at all. Or at least nothing like what people worship. Instead, magic will simply manifest as people expect it to. So if you are expecting fire from the Red God, then you get fire stuff, etc.
Cpt.Underpants
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Fuck yeah, trees are badass.
She would make an awesome ruler. I hope it happens, but probably not
In terms of straight up national policy stuff, she's probably put forward the smartest plan of anyone yet, with her whole plan to make peace with the North so they could keep some piece of what they conquered, then turn all their boats into a trading fleet. It's such a sober-ass plan in contrast to all the unrealistic bombast of everyone else. Too bad it'll never happen.
WhereAreMahDragonz
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I know right? Plus she really seems to form relationships with her men easily (aside from the one she's sleeping with) and would probably connect with the people with little effort.
The true Queen in the North!
bodyofanamerican
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I'm a fan of the theory that Bloodraven is ALL the deities somehow (the ones that have revealed themselves, so: R'hllor, the trees, and the Great Other), and is playing everyone against one another to his own ends.
FootballFan
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Bloodraven's plans and motives are hopefully clarified in the next book.
A Targaryen tree who wants to teach a Stark on how to work the treenet.
Fire and Ice ... I solved it.
Wonder what Bloodraven will look like on the show.
A Targaryen tree who wants to teach a Stark on how to work the treenet.
Fire and Ice ... I solved it.
Wonder what Bloodraven will look like on the show.
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It occurs to me that in the S4 commercial, all the characters shown during the "All MEN MUST DIE" flashes are people who are going to die this season.
Tywin
Joffrey
Oberyn
Tywin
Joffrey
Oberyn
Supermanisdead
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fck outta here. old gods are the best gods.
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I like the Drowned God best. His special power is CPR.
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