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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 4 - Sundays on HBO

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Supermanisdead said:
fck outta here. old gods are the best gods.
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bodyofanamerican said:
I'm a fan of the theory that Bloodraven is ALL the deities somehow (the ones that have revealed themselves, so: R'hllor, the trees, and the Great Other), and is playing everyone against one another to his own ends.
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I think this theory is interesting, but then the "why" comes into effect. It's never really revealed how old the R'hllor religion is. They already have great temples and a culture established when the show stars, so you'd imagine its at least older than Bloodraven. You could say, "but he's using the flames to trick them!" but I understood it as flamereading being a norm of the religion since the beginning, so there had to be some initial magic that predates BR.
 
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Forkball said:
I think this theory is interesting, but then the "why" comes into effect. It's never really revealed how old the R'hllor religion is. They already have great temples and a culture established when the show stars, so you'd imagine its at least older than Bloodraven. You could say, "but he's using the flames to trick them!" but I understood it as flamereading being a norm of the religion since the beginning, so there had to be some initial magic that predates BR.
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It's my favourite theory, too
the "why" would be revenge, the children of the forest are actually behind it, and they hate men for what they did to them. although they even fought together for some time, I think its safe to say humans are responsible for the disappearance of the children. valar morghulis

as for bloodraven being relatively young, I think the last greenseer is an entinity that changes his bodies, there was someoney before bloodraven and bran is next.
 
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pulga said:
worshipping the Seven is for the birds

R'hllor is where it's at

even the fucking trees are preferable to the Seven

useless cunts
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Didn't Martin said on an interview that The Winds of Winter will contain the Seven performing some kind of miracle?

Either way, I do think that we're witnessing a meta-game of thrones, with gods playing mortals as their pawns and competing for power. A fire god VS ice god game only would be kinda simplistic, so bring on the other new players, I say :p
 
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of all the male actors only he seems to be getting some modelling work while the ladies are in every magazine.
 
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I think The Great Other is just some bullshit story from the R'hllor followers.

They needed an counterpart for their god. (that also doesn't exist)

Kinda like the drowned god and the storm god.
 
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ADWD explains the Old Gods pretty well. With respect to The Lord of Light, I think it's Martin's play on pagan fire gods. There is no fire god in real life, but for those who saw fire for the first time thousands of years ago there was. In Martin's world there are two clear sides of magic, ice and fire. And while the ice side are green seers long dead who now live inside nature, I'd imagine the fire side has a similar explanation. The difference being that side was dormant until Dany's dragons arrived.

I'd bet there is no monolithic fire god, and instead dragons themselves are like the battery that gives life to fire magic. And perhaps the seasons are so out of order because of the lack of balance between the two sides.
 
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It seem strange to position the greenseers and the old gods as the "ice side" of magic, since they really aren't connected to ice in any way, outside of the fact that they only remain in the North at this point in the story. They are gods of the forest and the earth, not of ice.
The ice side is represented by the Others, who may or may not have anything to do with the Old Gods. Of course, there are theories saying that the Children and Bloodraven are working together with the Others, or even that Bloodraven is the Great Other in a way, but they are still seperate.
 
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- Andy Greenwald on GoT for Grantland: ‘Game of Thrones’ is back and it’s peaking. Just sit back and enjoy it
Game of Thrones is an intensely modern show, both in form and content. But it’s worth noting how strongly it resists the sort of online hyper-dissection that can either carry a series aloft or tear it apart, limb by limb, like a starving mob in Fleabottom. The show proceeds at its own stately pace, telling its own knotty story. Rather than be concerned that future seasons might mar the world that Martin, Benioff, and Weiss have painstakingly created, it’s probably healthier — for your sake and mine — to focus instead on the majesty of that world as it exists now. The night may well be dark and full of terrors, but rest easy: We’re still hours away from dusk.
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- NY Mag: Watch a Game of Thrones Season 3 Emoji Recap

- THR: Game of Thrones review
The Bottom Line: Game of Thrones proves yet again why it's one of the rare genre series to not only be taken seriously but to prove its worth season after season. It's well-written, well-acted and has created so many wonderful characters -- who, of course, will probably die. This is a show with no rules -- and that's partly why tension and expectation are both always running high.
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Finally going to get plenty of Tyrion/Jaime scenes! Man they honestly had 2 scenes together in how many years? Fucking 4-5 years? Christ

CANT WAIT
 
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WhereAreMahDragonz said:
^ I wonder if non-book readers will connect the dots with the whole "Jon's in a commanding position" thing
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Doubtful. After the RW I don't think most non-reader fans are going to be prepared for the rollercoaster ride this Season is going to be. They're mostly just looking at episode 9 to be the Big Event of the Season.
 
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Loke13 said:
Doubtful. After the RW I don't think most non-reader fans are going to be prepared for the rollercoaster ride this Season is going to be. They're mostly just looking at episode 9 to be the Big Event of the Season.
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I don't know, I think Jon becoming Lord Commander is pretty expected at this point.
 
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Joffrey's death is going to smack people around the head. It was shocking enough in ASOS, but with the leeches and Robb having died a matter of pages before, it was mitigated. Not so here- no one's going to be expecting anything significant for episode 2 of the new season. The Unsullied thread is going to go absolutely mad.
 
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Exterminieren said:
Joffrey's death is going to smack people around the head. It was shocking enough in ASOS, but with the leeches and Robb having died a matter of pages before, it was mitigated. Not so here- no one's going to be expecting anything significant for episode 2 of the new season. The Unsullied thread is going to go absolutely mad.
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I don't know, given that he is supposedly the most hated character on the show, people are likely to be very pleased by it, haha.

To be honest, the one death that really caught me by surprised was Tywin's, not to mention the circumstances. Looking forward to see how they pull that off on TV. No idea if it's gonna fit in this season though, I read the books a couple months ago, my memory is somewhat fuzzy on the chain of events that lead to it.
 
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There will be tears of joy when Joffery dies. The celebration will make its way on to the streets worldwide as people from countries across the globe thank GRRM.
 
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Exterminieren said:
Joffrey's death is going to smack people around the head. It was shocking enough in ASOS, but with the leeches and Robb having died a matter of pages before, it was mitigated. Not so here- no one's going to be expecting anything significant for episode 2 of the new season. The Unsullied thread is going to go absolutely mad.
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Before i spoiled it for myself i had a good feeling he was going to die so...
 
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leonemesis said:
I don't know, given that he is supposedly the most hated character on the show, people are likely to be very pleased by it, haha.

To be honest, the one death that really caught me by surprised was Tywin's, not to mention the circumstances. Looking forward to see how they pull that off on TV. No idea if it's gonna fit in this season though, I read the books a couple months ago, my memory is somewhat fuzzy on the chain of events that lead to it.
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oh they've already laid the foundation for it on the show. tywin acting especially shitty to tyrion when he demands casterly rock, all the shit concerning his mother, tyrion's already got the fuel. the trial for joffrey's murder and finding shae in tywin's bed is gonna be the fire. the only thing i think they'll really have trouble with is shae. she seems much more loving in the show and there isn't really any indication that she'd turn on him at all.
 
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kris. said:
oh they've already laid the foundation for it on the show. tywin acting especially shitty to tyrion when he demands casterly rock, all the shit concerning his mother, tyrion's already got the fuel. the trial for joffrey's murder and finding shae in tywin's bed is gonna be the fire. the only thing i think they'll really have trouble with is shae. she seems much more loving in the show and there isn't really any indication that she'd turn on him at all.
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Well, regarding Shae, there's a shot in the last preview Cornballer just posted, where you can see Tyrion backing away from Shae as she tries to kiss him, so there'll probably at least be some kind of falling out between them. Now let's hope it's big enough to justify her betraying him and sleeping with Tywin. The shot is at 0:21 - 0:22.

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- WiCnet: New preview of the Game of Thrones Season 4 premiere episode
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At 0:21 - 0:22.
 
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Yonafunu said:
Well, regarding Shae, there's a shot in the last preview Cornballer just posted, where you can see Tyrion backing away from Shae as she tries to kiss him, so there'll probably at least be some kind of falling out between them. Now let's hope it's big enough to justify her betraying him and sleeping with Tywin. The shot is at 0:21 - 0:22.

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ooh damn how have i not seen this. HYYYYYPEEE
 
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