*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 4 - Sundays on HBO

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RedShift said:
One comes to mind.

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He really needs to die already. I mean at this point presumably Stannis and Davos have both forgotten about the third leech, or one/both of them would have totally called Mel out on it.
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True, good thing that the show more or less has acted like he's been dead, by not showing him.

Though, the actor does do that part well, so well I wish they had done more with the role.
 
Rentahamster said:
That seems early to have the election. You need to include all the scheming as well.
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They could cut all that, given that Jon wasn't imprisoned. The few NW members left would almost certainly vote for him unanimously, right? Assuming Throne dies. Slynt was a far bigger threat in the book, whereas he's pretty much a joke in the show and probably won't get many votes.
 
Ok, so if they move past all the election stuff and right into LC Snow (or end on the question of Lord of Winterfell or LC), what happens next up there? Is it dealing with Mance (fake death plot), or right into having Stannis proceed to Winterfell, to fight against the Boltons?
 
Yeah, what's up with Balon not dying?
I would be ok with them waiting but they haven't even shown him this season.

They need to shit gold or get off the privy with this character.
 
My internet is going nuts, so I apologize if I'm like quadruple posting this...

Valhelm said:
Let's take bets!

Chance of Tywin dying next week... 100%
Chance of Shae dying next week... 100%
Chance of LSH reveal next week...80%
Chance of Commander Snow next week... 5%
Chance of Brienne wounding Sandor... 95%
Chance of Balon Greyjoy dying... 67.5% (75% chance that some version of the Greyjoy plot is happening next season x 90% chance that if it's in for next season they want to set it up as a cliffhanger in the finale)
Chance of Euron being played by Michael Huisman... 2%
Chance of Brienne killing Sandor... 5% No reason not to leave it vague other than straight trolling.
Chance of another Night's King scene... 3% They barely have any time for the stuff they have to do!
Chance of Lady Stoenheart being Talisa... 1% Again, no reason to do this other than trolling.
Chance of R+L=J being revealed through the weirwood... .5% Again, not enough time to do much here. Doubt we'll get Bran plugged into his tree at all until next season. This scene will just be "Hi, I'm a creepy old tree man and these are the children of the forest."
Chance of Euron = Daario being explicitly revealed... .02% (2% chance Euraario is real x 10% chance that if it is real D&D wouldn't give Martin the courtesy of at least one more year to reveal it on his own x 10% chance that if they were going to unveil it Martin wouldn't have already released the battle of Meereen as a novella or something so that his version of the twist would be out first.
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Lonestar said:
Ok, so if they move past all the election stuff and right into LC Snow (or end on the question of Lord of Winterfell or LC), what happens next up there? Is it dealing with Mance (fake death plot), or right into having Stannis proceed to Winterfell, to fight against the Boltons?
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If Jon becomes LC at the end of this season, I would imagine next season will start with Stannis attempting to legitimize him. He'll leave some men on the Wall and march south after getting advise from Jon, and we'll get some mini skirmishes. And Jon will deal with the wildling truce on the Wall; again I'm assuming a lot of men will be left at the Wall, otherwise the wildling plot won't make sense.

Having Jon become LC and "die" in the same season just seems odd to me, hence why I think it'll happen on Sunday.
 
With Balon I reckon they're going to confirm the faceless man theory so they'll cast Euron first and make it clear he ordered the killing.
 
PhoenixDark said:
They could cut all that, given that Jon wasn't imprisoned. The few NW members left would almost certainly vote for him unanimously, right? Assuming Throne dies. Slynt was a far bigger threat in the book, whereas he's pretty much a joke in the show and probably won't get many votes.
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I have a feeling they're cutting out the other castles and their garrisons. I just get the impression they plan to go forward with Castle Black being the entire Night's Watch.

They might still do something with the elections but maybe not; there aren't a lot of candidates left if they don't bring in fresh-blood from the other holdings.

I do doubt it will be this season though, there's just so much to cover in the next episode that it seems unlikely we'll see anything beyond Stannis showing up to overwhelm the wildlings.
 
F!ReW!Re said:
It would be an epic cliffhanger, I agree.
BUT since they've got so much stuff to show/wrap up in this last episode, I can see them using it as a show opener for season 5, a bit like the prologues in the book.
The impact wouldn't be as big as using it as this season's cliffhanger but I just don't see them cramming it in there at this point.

Hope D&D prove me wrong...
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Nah, it would be best as a cliffhanger. Jon being elected the commander seems like something that'd happen in the first episode of season 5.
 
Napoleonthechimp said:
Nah, it would be best as a cliffhanger. Jon being elected the commander seems like something that'd happen in the first episode of season 5.
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Yeah, best Wall cliffhanger would be Stannis showing up. 2 large storylines merging, leaving all of next year to flesh it out, sounds right.

If they had Stannis show up last episode, then I could have seen them move through the election quickly, or at least mostly done, leaving the final outcome of the election as the year long cliffhanger.
 
Jayof9s said:
I have a feeling they're cutting out the other castles and their garrisons. I just get the impression they plan to go forward with Castle Black being the entire Night's Watch.
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Some of the other castles have already been explicitly mentioned in the show and HBO viewer's guide as well. Shadow Tower, Eastwatch, Nightfort.
 
Showaddy said:
With Balon I reckon they're going to confirm the faceless man theory so they'll cast Euron first and make it clear he ordered the killing.
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that actually makes sense, didn't even think of it before
no point in casting him for like 1 episode if they can push the whole death thing back to next season where he will show up more
 
LSH cliffhanger would be great because for the first time in all these years we will be ending the season with some "good" on the Starks front.

We would geat
LSH
Arya going her own way
Sansa escaped KL, playing the game
Bran reaching his destination
Maybe show Rickon in Braavos too :p
 
Based on next week's preview, I think there's a solid sequence of events that will lead to Stoneheart's reveal.

On their way to the Eyrie, Brienne/Pod meet Sandor/Arya as they're leaving it
Brienne and Sandor fight, probably over Arya (Sandor seeing that B/P are Lannisters and not wanting to give her up, Brienne seeing Arya as fulfillment of her oath and not wanting to leave her behind)
Sandor overwhelms Brienne and severely wounds her and possibly Pod, she bites off his ear during the skirmish
Sandor and Arya carry on their way, leaving B/P behind
BWB show up, take the injured B/P to Stoneheart, where she's revealed
Sandor and Arya continue on, until he's overcome by the infection/blood lose from ear bite
Arya denies him the gift of mercy, leaves him to die and heads to the ship

Only trouble is that this likely means Brienne has no reason to visit the Quiet Isle next season, which could mean the
Gravedigger is cut/debunked
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For those of you still complaining that this episode is going to be too packed to complete many of the Book 3 arcs properly, keep in mind, we do get like an extra 15 minutes out of the finale episode (or maybe more like 10 i guess)

I think we can effectively get a Satisfying conclusion (as in who we need to spend the most time with) to Jon, Arya and Tyrion in this time (obviously these include characters specific to those arcs as well, including Sam, The Hound, and the Lannisters respectively). Brienne and Dany just need to be moved in the right direction so we wont need to spend a lot of time with either of them. Bran's arc is an interesting one considering how swifty it is moving and might need a lot of time to effectively explain whats going on before cutting out and that leaves Theon, which i don't think we need a lot of time to spend. Have ramsey kill Balon (or better yet force Theon to push him off a bridge) and i think you have a satsifying end to his arc. Also, I think Sansa's arc is done. I don't expect to see her in the finale.

Whos missing?

Stoneheart can easily be teased in the last 30 seconds or so. Could even be as simple as Dondarrion coming across her rotting body in a river. Stoneheart's Reveal could theoretically be a big moment in the ending of Episode 1 next season.
 
Pai Pai Master said:
There weren't any clues in the book either. It WAS out of left field.
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Except for that wolf dream bit that you quoted. But yeah it's a subtle hint and didn't necessarily indicate her "revival".

Iksenpets said:
It's going to be really great if it turns out Lena has never even heard about Stoneheart and just thought that was a pretty cute pile of rocks.
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There's about 0 chance of that being true.
 
Selner said:
It's actually spelled out in the submission, which is out now. It's up in the spoiler tags.

I'll summarize here, in spoiler tags:

Wight Attack with 4 heroes
Man in Roots
The Mountain
Hound

Those are the four things that are specified.
Wight Attack is obvoiusly Bran, Hodor, Jojen and Meera vs. wights (no Coldhands will make this interesting.
Man in Roots = Bloodraven
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Here's the full breakdown Spoilers from Emmy submission:


The Children – June 15, 2014

Synopsis:
An unexpected arrival north of the wall changes circumstances. Dany is forced to face some harsh realities.
Bran learns more of his destiny. Tyrion sees the truth of his situation.


Technical Description:

Wight Attack: 4 hero, 3 mid full head silicone make-ups. Green suits with full body skeletal appliances for
VFX to create negative space. Half-torso harnessed to actor’s back.


Man In Roots:
Full facial and forearm silicone appliances. False body section with several integrated resin and foam
branches.


Mountain: Silicone appliances for infected torso wounds. Silicone arm and torso for blood letting/injections.

Hound: Silicone burn facial makeup. Appliances: neck, ear injuries; leg compound fracture.


Jane Walker, Department Head Makeup Artist
Barrie Gower, Prosthetic Designer
The Mountain, description talks about his injuries and how it's infected
The Hound, description talks about burn injuries and a leg fracture.

I don't think this list has any bearing on Stoneheart one way or the other. This is about prosthetics--actual fake legs, etc. A simple throat slash and a lot of creepy makeup wouldn't be included in this list.
 
I wonder if they can really do the LC election in the same way, since they don't really have the characters for it, and have sort of implied they don't exist. Can they just get Cotter Pyke and Denys Mallister to turn up from Eastwatch or where ever or would that seem weird.

Of course they need some new NW higher ups from somewhere eventually since someone needs to stab Jon.
 
Valhelm said:
ADWD question: why do some people think Ramsay didn't write the pink letter?
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Many think it was written by Mance since it refers to the Night's Watch as "Crows," demonstrates full knowledge of Mance's infiltration of Winterfell, and, among other demands, calls for Mance's wife and child to be sent to Winterfell.

Others say that Ramsay wouldn't use the word "bastard" since he hates it so much, perhaps ignoring that Ramsay is no longer beholden to that title himself and therefore might be comfortable using it against others.
 
Snake said:
Many think it was written by Mance since it refers to the Night's Watch as "Crows," demonstrates full knowledge of Mance's infiltration of Winterfell, and, among other demands, calls for Mance's wife and child to be sent to Winterfell.

Others say that Ramsay wouldn't use the word "bastard" since he hates it so much, perhaps ignoring that Ramsay is no longer beholden to that title himself and therefore might be comfortable using it against others.
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Do we even know if Mance is literate? And Ramsay would definitely use bastard as an insult towards others. The Ramsay didn't write it theories always struck me as trying to add needless complication into things. The most likely scenario to me always seemed that Manderly defected and joined Stannis, and they've probably killed the Frey army that was approaching. Manderly writes Ramsay to tell him he'd won so that the Boltons would open the gates and he and Stannis' men would be able to enter the castle. Ramsay gets the note and gets so hyped that he gets ahead of himself and writes the Pink Letter, and everything falls out from there.
 
The closer we get the more evidence piles up that there's no Stoneheart, yet everyone still setting themselves up for disappointment.

Chance of LSH reveal... 1% Just for Headey's stone heart picture

It's not happening.
 
Iksenpets said:
Do we even know if Mance is literate? And Ramsay would definitely use bastard as an insult towards others. The Ramsay didn't write it theories always struck me as trying to add needless complication into things. The most likely scenario to me always seemed that Manderly defected and joined Stannis, and they've probably killed the Frey army that was approaching. Manderly writes Ramsay to tell him he'd won so that the Boltons would open the gates and he and Stannis' men would be able to enter the castle. Ramsay gets the note and gets so hyped that he gets ahead of himself and writes the Pink Letter, and everything falls out from there.
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I thought Ramsay had gone with the Freys and Manderly force? I could be remembering wrong though...
 
Szeth said:
The closer we get the more evidence piles up that there's no Stoneheart, yet everyone still setting themselves up for disappointment.

Chance of LSH reveal... 1% Just for Headey's stone heart picture

It's not happening.
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"Evidence"
 
Bran and Bloodraven is going to be the close out scene I think

Not that there's anything to support it, but just feels like a packed episode already
 
Emerson said:
"Evidence"
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Yes, I'm using the term "evidence" loosely as fuck.

But I mean, unless this ends up being the best kept secret in television history with pretty much 0 clues anywhere (except a random picture from an actress), even for book readers, it's not happening.

Just give up hope now I really don't feel like reading all the whining after what'll still end up being the best episode of the series even without SH.
 
cartoon_soldier said:
LSH cliffhanger would be great because for the first time in all these years we will be ending the season with some "good" on the Starks front.

We would geat
LSH
Arya going her own way
Sansa escaped KL, playing the game
Bran reaching his destination
Maybe show Rickon in Braavos too :p
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Yep, and the other huge possible huge pro Stark thing is they could possibly end with Stannis offering to legitimise Jon as Jon Stark, Lord of Winterfell, and then not show him taking the LC job instead. Might be a bit of a push to fit that in the episode with everything else that is happening, but it is sort of possible I guess if Stannis arrives early episode 10.
 
Ramsay shows up on the Iron Islands in broad daylight.


100 Ironborn stand ready with axes, swords, bows. Ramsay is unarmed and has only Reek with him. He asks "Where is Balon Greyjoy?"

The men say "Why should we tell you?"

He slowly opens a cage and s single dog walks out.

Balon Greyjoy sees this from his window and jumps into the ocean.
 
Speevy said:
Ramsay shows up on the Iron Islands in broad daylight.


100 Ironborn stand ready with axes, swords, bows. Ramsay is unarmed and shirtless and has only Reek with him. He asks "Where is Balon Greyjoy?"

The men say "Why should we tell you?"

He slowly opens a cage and s single dog walks out.

Balon Greyjoy sees this from his window and jumps into the ocean.
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FTFY
 
cartoon_soldier said:
LSH cliffhanger would be great because for the first time in all these years we will be ending the season with some "good" on the Starks front.

We would geat
LSH
Arya going her own way
Sansa escaped KL, playing the game
Bran reaching his destination
Maybe show Rickon in Braavos too :p
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You joke about Rickon, but I think a scene of him arriving at the Umbers and Umber swearing that he'll see a Stark in Winterfell again and setting out to meet with Manderly to begin rallying the Northern lords behind Bolton's back would probably be the most unambiguously pro-Stark scene they could have.
 
Speevy said:
Ramsay shows up on the Iron Islands in broad daylight.


100 Ironborn stand ready with axes, swords, bows. Ramsay is unarmed and has only Reek with him. He asks "Where is Balon Greyjoy?"

The men say "Why should we tell you?"

He slowly opens a cage and s single dog walks out.

Balon Greyjoy sees this from his window and jumps into the ocean.
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Rofl
 
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