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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 7 - Sundays on HBO
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rootbeerafloat
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So rewatching season 4, and Yara attempts a rescue of Theon by taking a ship to the Dreadfort... only
how do you get there by ship? Maybe Euron stole Yara's magic ships that creates bodies of waters to go on.
I think... it's a river.
DreadFort is supposed to be along the Weeping Water. I don't recall if the show showed this? Certainly that image doesn't very well.
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Weeping_Water
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Weeping_Water
Oldest Snake
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So rewatching season 4, and Yara attempts a rescue of Theon by taking a ship to the Dreadfort... only
how do you get there by ship? Maybe Euron stole Yara's magic ships that creates bodies of waters to go on.
I believe she sailed all the way South and then back up the Eastern coast, then sailed up a river to the Dreadfort (the Weeping River, I think it's name is)... and was then she and the 50 best killers on the Iron Island were swiftly repelled by a shirtless guy and some dogs in a bold story that critics praised as 'definitely something that was written'.
That beating would earn my loyalty. Probably the most satisfying and deserved beatings in the show.
But Robb didn't do shit before being declared King in the North. Nobody fought yet, it was when he called the banners. They just said f the south and that was it.
It should totally be Sansa though. Jon was ready to gtfo of the world when he was brought back, and she would have fought for Winterfell anyway.
Everything leading up to Jon's coronation, including the coronation, killed a lot of the appeal for me. I like Jon Snow because he's a scrappy underdog who, in the books, has to try and rely on his wits as much as his physical toughness.
I also don't care for how they changed Jon's appearance into looking like a poor man's Ned Stark but that's probably just me.
Robb effectively outsmarted the Lannisters in capturing Jaime at the Whispering Wood. It was a battle he participated in and impressed the Northern Lords with his cunning as well as his pragmatism in knowing he couldn't beat Jaime Lannister in a fight.
They didn't declare Robb king until Ned Stark lost his head and decided they were tired of fighting for southern rulers.
I also don't care for how they changed Jon's appearance into looking like a poor man's Ned Stark but that's probably just me.
Robb effectively outsmarted the Lannisters in capturing Jaime at the Whispering Wood. It was a battle he participated in and impressed the Northern Lords with his cunning as well as his pragmatism in knowing he couldn't beat Jaime Lannister in a fight.
They didn't declare Robb king until Ned Stark lost his head and decided they were tired of fighting for southern rulers.
Ahhh yeah it was the episode before that. Thought it was the one after. My mistake.
Ocarina_117
Banned
Did Jon's King in the North scene fall flat in comparison to Robb's for anyone else?
It's not as strong because you see it coming. When it happened to Robb it wasn't even a possibility you were considering.
It felt like a nice homage when we see Jon become King of the North.
A couple things could ruin it. They already had a KITN scene. Might be been there done that for you. You could see it coming because of course Jon is going to be dat boi in the north.
But for me, nah Jon's was better. It meant more in my eyes. I was legit happy for him. I wasn't as happy during Robb's...coronation. And Jon's KITN speech giver was Lyanna Mormont.
Ocarina_117
Banned
I felt there was more emotion behind Robb's. We are fresh off the back of a victory against the Lannister and Ned's execution. We also have the seen of Robb's rage after learning of his father's death. I also enjoyed Big Jon Umber's speech more than Lyanna's 'Here sits the only king I mean to bend my knee to!'.
The transition from baby Jon to adult Jon was fantastic. I guess I was kinda disappointed in show Manderly's appearance that it soured the scene.
Sometimes I wish I waited to read the books so I could enjoy the show more
The transition from baby Jon to adult Jon was fantastic. I guess I was kinda disappointed in show Manderly's appearance that it soured the scene.
Sometimes I wish I waited to read the books so I could enjoy the show more
hydrophilic attack
Member
Regarding the discussion about episode 3 with Highgarden falling so easily: Turns out that in show canon they don't have the largest army (or at least didn't back at the start of the war of 5 kings). Their army was smaller than the Lannister army, and with the Tarlys switching over, it makes sense that they would be outmatched.
Also interesting in that clip is that Arya knows that Littlefinger schemed with the Lannisters,
Also interesting in that clip is that Arya knows that Littlefinger schemed with the Lannisters,
You're right. Littlefinger should have been crowned King in the North.
hydrophilic attack
Member
Jon being named the King of the North seemed to me like a much smaller moment than when Robb did. But I think maybe that was sort of the point? When Robb was named king, the other northerners were hopeful that they could take out the Lannisters. Jon getting named king was in much more desperate times
The Artisan
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what's up with the Dreadfort now? is there still a garrison there or did Jon Snow give the castle to another family?So rewatching season 4, and Yara attempts a rescue of Theon by taking a ship to the Dreadfort... only
how do you get there by ship? Maybe Euron stole Yara's magic ships that creates bodies of waters to go on.
The Dreadfort is dead. Entire kingdoms sink into the earth when their host family dies off.
The Artisan
Member
Dorne is dead.
chicken_pasta
Banned
What is dead may never die.
What is dead may never die.
Most def!
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
Season 4 is where you can the writers start to get a little sloppy for instance: Yara dog scene, Thenns, Jorah being sent away, Brienne being told she loves Jamie (this plot was abandoned/dropped), Jon being told about Bran, the Beetles, and probably some more I'm forgetting.)
Season 5 is where they just stop caring too much, but I can synthesize somewhat with their situation, after trying to do books 4/5 for season 5/6 myself as an outline (especially including Aegon, and original Dorne/Iron Islands, and Lady Stoneheart).
Season 7 though is where character arcs are dead and they just moving people into position. I'm honestly surprised we got Ed Sheeran and The Hound in Episode 1.
Season 5 is where they just stop caring too much, but I can synthesize somewhat with their situation, after trying to do books 4/5 for season 5/6 myself as an outline (especially including Aegon, and original Dorne/Iron Islands, and Lady Stoneheart).
Season 7 though is where character arcs are dead and they just moving people into position. I'm honestly surprised we got Ed Sheeran and The Hound in Episode 1.
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
Oh I know lol. But if they didn't want to continue they should have tried to hand it off to someone else.
The Artisan
Member
the Beetles?
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
Tyrion and Jamie talking about their cousin smashing Beatles before Oberyn's and The Mountain's fight.
Oh get over it.
A lot of people in this thread know David and Dan personally
hydrophilic attack
Member
i liked that scene
You know, you're spot on with this bit.
Roronoa Zoro
Gold Member
Season 3 was my favorite but mainly because of the Tyrion and Tywin scenes. I don't think there's been this drop off you guys are talking about but before last season I was getting bored with dany and aryas storylines.
Glad things have actually started to happen though I feel danys army has been severely nerded compared to what they should be. I mean aren't the unsullied supposed to be able to kill entire armies with a couple thousand? Wasn't Robert afraid of SOME of the dothraki being able to conquer all the seven kingdoms? Now dany has ALL of them and they can't beat the lannisters?
This is dragonball levels of fluctuation in power
Glad things have actually started to happen though I feel danys army has been severely nerded compared to what they should be. I mean aren't the unsullied supposed to be able to kill entire armies with a couple thousand? Wasn't Robert afraid of SOME of the dothraki being able to conquer all the seven kingdoms? Now dany has ALL of them and they can't beat the lannisters?
This is dragonball levels of fluctuation in power
I agree S4 is where the problems started, it became the season where moments, especially those of shock value were emphasized. I think its way I had very fond memories of it before going back to actually re-watch it. It had huge shocking moments like The Purple Wedding, death of Oberyn, Watchers on the Wall, the death of Tywin etc. But the story lines leading to those *shocking moments* were often underdeveloped. Take Jon's story for instance, it feels all over the place, largely being filler for the impending wildling attack with elements like KARL FOOKIN TANNER but it ends with a climactic and dare I say, epic battle. Or another example, Stannis scenes don't even form a coherent self-contained story this season, but it ends with that awesome cavalry charge north of the wall.
Gunslinger
Member
What you think is the last episode for little finger? Season finale? Or as early as next episode? I think that Character has no use anymore in the show. He is pointless.
We've been watching these people for SIX YEARS. We no longer need to learn their motivations, back stories, etc. It's time for them to be in position. It's time for some action!
I think continuing on bought them good will. Enough to make a stupid sounding idea for a show into reality.
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
I thought season 4 as a whole was fine. Joffrey' murder / chaos in the Red Keep were cool and intriguing, then you've got Arya finally leaving for Braavos and Ramsay being a bitch. Dany took Mereen and that was that.
Season 5 was stagnant because they had no reason to love anyone, really. Nothing important happened except for Jon's plot
Season 5 was stagnant because they had no reason to love anyone, really. Nothing important happened except for Jon's plot
Gunslinger
Member
Well to be honest the book 4 & 5 are padded as hell.
Steelyuhas
Member
Robb's KitN scene had "Renly is not right!", so kind of an auto-win there.
He's overstayed his welcome. He's relegated to just standing around saying Littlefinger shit, I imagine he'll make to the end of the season since it seems like he has some Arya-Sansa scheming to conduct.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Right.
Jamie wants to fuck his sister.
Cersei wants to be the queen
Jon wants to stop the white walkers and
Sansa is just there
Arya has a list
Bran is a super being
Dany wants to rule westeros
Tyrion wants get revenge on Cersei
Euron wants that queenie
what more did you need
I agree completely
The Artisan
Member
wait, those are bloopers?
edit: nvm
I need Dany and Jon to fuck
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
It's not a bad scene, but it's very unnecessary.
I would also say it's where the show became more accessible for a wider audience. Scenes were made to appear badass or controversial.
That's not what character arcs are though. A lot of characters have remained stagnant and not changed. The show is supposed to be about seeing how these characters act in the situations they are put in, not action, action and more action. Earlier seasons were better at combining both of these aspects into a unified unit.
Ugh that show has problematic written all over it. Literally any choice for making a show in the world and they make that.