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Upscalers, CRTs, PVMs & RGB: Retro gaming done right!
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I thought your monitor was limited to 240p/480i. If it's actual 31KHz/480p you should be seeing a distorted double image or nothing... depends on the CRT model.
What is swiss? I want some of that 480p as well.
Anyways, a little update on my PS2 with the flickering issues. Like I wrote, the flickering is very noticeable at black backgrounds, and looks like when an ac-adapter is about to die. However, other testing shows that this is not the issue. I hooked up my Xbox today - and the issue is just as apparent there! So, I tried my Wii again, and this time i could see it there too - all three machines go via the d terminal to component adapter. So, either the cable is semi-defect (its brand new from Solaris), or, the Framemeister itself has issues with the d-terminal input. Lets hope its the cable though, that is by far the easiest and cheapest to replace. Going to talk to Solaris about it now.
NormalFish
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http://www.gc-forever.com/wiki/index.php?title=Swiss
take a picture/video. It's really difficult to help you out when "flickering" is all we have to go on.
socksfelloff
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Are you sure it's 480p? I'm 99% sure the gamecube cannot output 480p from the analog port
Barrel Cannon
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If I'm not mistaken(correct me if I'm wrong) you would need a specific type of RGB cable that connects to the digital AV port converted from a component cable.
edit: from the Official Nintendo component cable
edit: from the Official Nintendo component cable
Thanks! Yeah, I understand that
i dont really have the right equipment to take video, and its not that noticeable with my crappy phone camera, but will try!Definitely
My PVM defines it as a 480p signal, and the image immediately stabilises from the flickering you get with interlaced.
Nope. By nature of being a device used in the UK it supports up to 576i (PAL resolution). Displays just under 600 lines at full res.
speedlolita
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Which PVM do you have dude?
JVC tm 1750pn
I'm not sure how to show that it's displaying 480p to you guys...I think a video may work.
I'll give it a go.
speedlolita
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Strange...
Do you have a modern TV that identifies video signals? Might be worth plugging it in just to see if it actually is 480p, weird.
Do you have a modern TV that identifies video signals? Might be worth plugging it in just to see if it actually is 480p, weird.
Yeah, my HDTV sets (Panasonic 42" and LG 55") both support RGB SCART input. I can give them a go later for a definite answer.
For now, I did take a video and it does show the difference quite clearly when 480p is set by myself in Swiss:
https://youtu.be/7brIWCCBhts
The monitor also assigns it a new setting for scaling in the service menu unique to the other resolutions.
NormalFish
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I can't find a single person outside of yourself that has been able to get the NGC to output 480p over SCART. In fact, I believe this is one of the main focuses of the NGC hardware mods on the rise. Is it possible it's outputting 240p?
socksfelloff
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I hate to disagree with you, and unrelated but I stumped upon your POF profile, but to the best of my knowledge the gamecube cannot do 480p without the external DAC. People have stripped the gamecube down chip by chip in an attempt to get 480p without it. In the end the only way they could was by reverse engineering said chip.
Edit: looking at the specs on your JVC. It only supports 15khz.
Oh dear, I don't even use that site anymore...
And hm, this is odd. I don't disagree with you at all, and I find it hard to believe it's displaying 480p as I understood the same restrictions. I'll try it on my lcd later.
Maybe it locks it as 240p somehow? Or maybe Swiss just isn't doing its job right?
And hm, this is odd. I don't disagree with you at all, and I find it hard to believe it's displaying 480p as I understood the same restrictions. I'll try it on my lcd later.
Maybe it locks it as 240p somehow? Or maybe Swiss just isn't doing its job right?
NormalFish
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Well if you're not seeing interlacing, it's almost certainly 240p. It's possible that Swiss can detect that your system can't output 480p in its current configuration and is defaulting to 240p but I didn't even know Swiss could force 480p so I'm not sure.
socksfelloff
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When I saw you on Reddit I decided to google your name and see where else you posted. I'm not a stalker lol. You may want to take it down in case your current girl has the same idea.
Swiss does have an anti flicker setting. perhaps its enabling that? ( it does make a difference)
If it was forcing 240p you would know based on the scanlines.
By Default ,if you have component cables hooked up, swiss outputs 480p. I have to hold the " L " trigger everytime it boots because I only use my gamecube for 240p
NormalFish
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How does the antiflickering setting work?
Yeah there's a reason I changed my name here ha
And yeah there's no visible scanlines in this mode. This is bizarre. I'll actually go try it on my HDTV now.
NormalFish
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I think the flicker related setting in Swiss is actually turning off the gamecubes built in deflicker option since it ruins image quality. I don't think that's related.
socksfelloff
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So for science I tried it on my gamecube. My cube is NTSC so I used svideo instead of RGbs.
When forcing 480p a quick prompt shows up that says " video mode 480i" then it boots. My scaler says its a 480i feed.
When forcing 480p a quick prompt shows up that says " video mode 480i" then it boots. My scaler says its a 480i feed.
socksfelloff
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dat GAF hyperbole about how much better the image was lol.
NormalFish
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Don't drag the rest of us in to that lol
Barrel Cannon
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Lol no need to apologize. I think the rest of us who never tried RGB SCART were all momentarily excited by the prospect of getting 480P over a cheaper SCART cable sans the component cable parts, hence all the replies to your initial comment.
Btw if all I'm using my cube for is on my PVM using S-Video should I bother getting Swiss and does it work with Wii?
-I don't plan on getting/using a GBA player
-I don't use a Wii for my GC atm mainly because I have my 2 GC's linked for 8 player double dash most of the time. Although I do have component cables for the Wii
NormalFish
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afaik there is a wii version, though if you're not using it for gamecube games I don't think it will offer you much.
socksfelloff
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Swiss isnt of any use to you then. The Wii has better options and can do everything swiss can.
NormalFish
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most of those will give you better IQ than composite. They may, however, introduce quite a bit of lag.
I have one and it's good, plus it doesn't add input lag.
Beer Monkey
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GARO preorders are up.
It's an component to RGBHV (VGA or Euro SCART) transcoder that works from 240p to 1080p (and VGA timings up to 1600x1200). It can add "scanlines" to 480p and higher also. It is not a scaler. It doesn't buffer frames and hence does not add lag.
http://www.beharbros.com/#!garo/cnwf
It's an component to RGBHV (VGA or Euro SCART) transcoder that works from 240p to 1080p (and VGA timings up to 1600x1200). It can add "scanlines" to 480p and higher also. It is not a scaler. It doesn't buffer frames and hence does not add lag.
http://www.beharbros.com/#!garo/cnwf
geniusbits
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Does anyone know if the JVC TM-A210G has extra input cards to get RGB? Two are being given away but they only have composite and s-video as of now.
cyborgnumberblue
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H & V size looks too big to me.
Are you only connecting one system?
Are you only connecting one system?
SNES, GC and N64.
Any smaller on the width or height and I end up with black borders.
Edit: actually was able to reduce it slightly. Fits perfectly now
It's cool, no lag and gives you access to RGB quality, but with Component cables and encoding.
Two things though:
- colours can be slightly off. You may need to open the box and adjust a couple of pots. It's why the box is cheap, it wasn't fine tuned in the factory. It's very easy to do though.
- You want a way to get audio out. Some people mod the box, others use an adapter on the Scart, others get their sound directly from the console.
NormalFish
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I'm not sure what their business model is like, but I could definitely see an OSSC from them.
As someone who's interested in the OSSC but not fully read up on it's features, which of these does it not do?
NormalFish
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Yeah, no fancy up scaling, but have a nice frame buffer available for movie quality deinterlacing.
I'll pay 300-400 for such a thing.
It does not deinterlace. It's only function is line doubling.. or tripling. It does not have an adequate frame buffer to do 2 field motion adaptive deinterlacing.
NormalFish
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Looks like viletim might be implementing an RGB deblur option for the N64.
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