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Upscalers, CRTs, PVMs & RGB: Retro gaming done right!
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ToastyFrog
Inexplicable Treasure Hate
The good news is that the older you get the less able you are to hear high-frequency sounds. My teen and preteen nephews find my PVM's whine almost unbearable, but I hardly notice it. Come, join the rest of us in the land of the elderly and decrepit.
I forget all the time until I have to go to sleep and can see it "on" (and the tiny power light) in my completely dark room. It shouldn't be any problem.
Thanks, I knew it wasn't just a trick of my eyes.
I thought my first PVM was busted when I heard that sound and had to look it up. I mean, it was busted, not due to the sound but because UPS smashed the screen which permanently fucked up the purity.
gingerbeardman
Member
Just picked up an old but quite neat Philips 21CE1250
21" with a nice tube, from around 1988.
Does RGB scart.
21" with a nice tube, from around 1988.
Does RGB scart.
Quick question about PVMs
The Sony I'm getting on Saturday has BNC inputs and outputs. Does the monitor have to be turned on for them to function as a passthrough?
Just trying to work out how to get my xrgb and a pvm hooked up to the same source without cable swapping.
But really unhooking a scart cable and plugging it into a different adapter isn't that much hard work I guess.
The Sony I'm getting on Saturday has BNC inputs and outputs. Does the monitor have to be turned on for them to function as a passthrough?
Just trying to work out how to get my xrgb and a pvm hooked up to the same source without cable swapping.
But really unhooking a scart cable and plugging it into a different adapter isn't that much hard work I guess.
There's no reason it shouldn't work with the monitor off. You may be better off with a splitter though, to minimise cable length. And does it pass the audio too?
Remember that Scart-BNC cables are directional, Sync isn't on the same pin for input and output. You might have to do some soldering to correct that, as I believe most (all?) adapters are made to go into a PVM, not out of.
[edit] And your xrgb may be unhappy about the lack of fast switch pin. It's something to consider too.
Remember that Scart-BNC cables are directional, Sync isn't on the same pin for input and output. You might have to do some soldering to correct that, as I believe most (all?) adapters are made to go into a PVM, not out of.
[edit] And your xrgb may be unhappy about the lack of fast switch pin. It's something to consider too.
speedlolita
Member
That's a real pretty set, nice get.
saveweyard
Banned
Retro Gaming Cables has an option for their SCART to BNC adapter that let's you specify the direction. I'm using it to go from my Extron Crosspoint to my Framemeister.
That is lovely! I will be picking up a Sony KV-C27 tomorrow, manufactured in 1988 in West Germany. It should also do RGB scart.
I have two PVMs one vertical and one horizontal , I run everything to the vertical one that has outputs then from there to the horizontal one, the vertical doesnt have to be on when I want to run just the horizontal one.
Awesome!! Thanks
I've tried something similar. My problem is I can't keep a straight face, totally blew it.
PumpkinSpice
Banned
Depends on the game. I think Mario looks pretty great on composite.
Do you have any Dragon Warrior game? The composite dot crawl gave me a horrible shimmer on the trees in those games, enough that it led me to RGB mod my AV Fami.
speedlolita
Member
Don't suppose I can offload my 9" PVM off on you too? lol
Gonna sit in my garage otherwise. Gratis, of course.
It really, really does.
Haha sure. What model? RGB in? Could be a sweet gameboy player machine!
speedlolita
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QM9042 off the top of my head. RGB and component yeah
Awesome yeah that looks good!
entremet
Member
Nope. Mostly action games still.
I wouldn't hide stuff like that. It sets a tone that undermines you doing what you want with your money and space.
Nah, I'm joking really.
Huggers
Member
Had been seriously considering selling my beloved BVM to fund another gaming project but I just can't bring myself to do it. I know I'll never get another one with the prices and rarity these days. Good news is came into some dosh so the other project is a go anyway. Close call!
Whew, good to know
My lady thinks I'm crazy but I'll be damned if I can't have my collection of giant picture boxes!
I wouldn't sell a BVM unless I absolutely had to, as they've become scarcer and scarcer every year.
Huggers
Member
Yeah I'm definitely going to keep it. Can't go back to a consumer crt now really and I'm not really a fan of upscalers. As you say, getting rare now as every retro game has clocked onto how good they are
I sold a 20" PVM and 20" BVM, but I didn't mind since I had already obtained a higher end model with low hours + having several other comparable pro CRTs as backups. I do agree on not selling off the one good BVM you have. I don't see them for what they used to go for online. Different situation out in the wild.
NOLA_Gaffer
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One day I'm hoping to come across an old Commodore 64 monitor. That's my holy grail of CRTs. Unfortunately as time marches on they're likely deteriorating more and more.
Huggers
Member
Yeah if anything I might try and grab a cheap PVM out in the wild if I ever get lucky.I'd quite like to keep the BVM for landscape stuff and have another for portrait
speedlolita
Member
One day I'm hoping to come across an old Commodore 64 monitor. That's my holy grail of CRTs. Unfortunately as time marches on they're likely deteriorating more and more.
Kinda miss my Commodore 1081. Had direct SCART but mono sound only. There's a purity to a 15kHz monitor, just looks really crisp.
gingerbeardman
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That set is superior, as it's larger and stereo.
My Philips only cost me £10 so I figured it was worth a punt.
One day I'm hoping to come across an old Commodore 64 monitor. That's my holy grail of CRTs. Unfortunately as time marches on they're likely deteriorating more and more.
The TM-A130SU and TM-A13SU we have are considered the direct spiritual successors to the Commodore 1702 monitor, made by the same manufacturer (JVC) with very similar tube and specs. Would be cool to have the original for aesthetics, but PQ-wise it may just be a worn-out version of what you already have at home.
NOLA_Gaffer
Banned
True. I just love that classic beige casing.
That's a stunning looking chassis. Gorgeous set.One day I'm hoping to come across an old Commodore 64 monitor. That's my holy grail of CRTs. Unfortunately as time marches on they're likely deteriorating more and more.
Makes the PVM line look like shit aesthetically.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
It's okay, I guess. It sure is no Sharp X1.
sixteen-bit
Member
It's okay, I guess. It sure is no Sharp X1.
their hardware design was so on point at the time. have you seen the X1 Twin (PC Engine + X1 Computer combo)?
NOLA_Gaffer
Banned
Man, that thing reminds me of the Magnavox Perfect View I wanted earlier this year:
There's something about Red-colored CRT TVs that are really striking.
Edit: Shit there's one on eBay now...hnng, must resist.
There's something about Red-colored CRT TVs that are really striking.
Edit: Shit there's one on eBay now...hnng, must resist.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Japanese industrial design was way too OP back then. Their computers were so ridiculously ahead of their time.
NormalFish
Banned
That x1 keyboard looks super slick.
Laevateinn
Member
It's okay, I guess. It sure is no Sharp X1.
Damn. Now I have another thing to obsessively search yahoo auctions for.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Released in 1982.
That's the shit Japan was gaming on when most folks were lusting after a beige Commodore 64.
Things were so wild I'm making a thread about old school Japanese industrial design just because.
That's the shit Japan was gaming on when most folks were lusting after a beige Commodore 64.
Things were so wild I'm making a thread about old school Japanese industrial design just because.
That's porn.It's okay, I guess. It sure is no Sharp X1.
speedlolita
Member
Not to mention all the X68000. Fucking art
sixteen-bit
Member
for sure
apparently there's a Japanese company that makes (or made?) metal chassis for modern PCs that resemble X68k towers. That would be neat for a build lol.
speedlolita
Member
Can't say I'm the biggest fan of that design, but I would prefer people went with that than butcher a possibly repairable X68000.
Kawika
Member
That high pitched noise is unmistakable once you exit and re-enter the room. Oh crap! Left my PVM on.
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