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Upscalers, CRTs, PVMs & RGB: Retro gaming done right!
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Black hole? I dipped a toe in and I've been sucked in. Picking up a PVM on Monday lol.
Hah. I don't neeeeed it. I have my consoles hooked up to my HDTV using my framemeister...but I waaaaanted it.
Anyone got an easy to follow tutorial guide for rgb modding an SNES Mini? >_> Soldering noob here but I'm hoping I can manage it if it's not too wild.
It's quite easy. There's a good guide and a link to the rgb amp for sale on retrorgb.
Significantly easier than adding digital optical audio circuit and output to a mini anyway. That was fun, with a broken soldering iron too.
Getting a cheap consumer CRT TV is the way to go, but being in the US without Scart makes everything more difficult. While in Europe you can snatch any old tube and are pretty much guaranteed to have at least a good picture, the US needs the additional hassle of making sure the TV has Component inputs and isn't an EDTV/480p CRT.
NOLA_Gaffer
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Honestly the difference between S-Video and Component (edit: for retro games) on most consumer CRTs is negligible, in my opinion.
CharlesDangus
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I have a question for this thread. I BELIEVE my new 1080p HDTV handles 240p properly via its component in, but would like to confirm scientifically. I've tested games like Castlevanias: SoTN on my PS2slim via component and it looks absolutely amazing (especially after boosting the sharpness settings to max), with beautiful chunky pixels. I have a soft modded Wii hooked up via component and installed the 240p test suite. My issue is, I'm not sure what the desired results for the different tests are. I personally don't notice anything off, or anything that looks like it's being treated as interlaced, but I'm not sure what to look for.
Does anyone have any links or resources pointing to the desired results for these tests?
Does anyone have any links or resources pointing to the desired results for these tests?
Gameboy Interface got an update for different control schemes, making the Raphnet SNES to GC adapter actually usable! Thank fucK.
Got some gameplay of Wario Land 4 with GBi + Component 240p + XRGB Mini w/ FirebrandX Profiles / Raphnet SNES to GC Adapter! I think I can finally say the setup is perfect now lol.
Got some gameplay of Wario Land 4 with GBi + Component 240p + XRGB Mini w/ FirebrandX Profiles / Raphnet SNES to GC Adapter! I think I can finally say the setup is perfect now lol.
Like most things, MLiG has a video on it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUdfPdM1mw0
Also check the wiki.
http://junkerhq.net/xrgb/index.php/240p_test_suite#Interactive_Tests
CharlesDangus
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Thanks I'll check out the wiki. I actually did watch that MLIG vid multiple times but as far as I remember it's not super comprehensive or clear about pointing out the behavior you want vs what you don't want. I love the channel and it helped me catch the hi fi retro bug, but I wish they'd make a follow up 240p test suite vid. I'm on mobile so I'll give the vid another watch later.
What's the input delay like?
^Kalnos, no discernible increase in lag on the adapter. It works incredibly well.
I have a Raphnet adapter. I can't recall anything being bad. What was wrong with the button layout before? It using BA instead of YB?
I have a Raphnet adapter. I can't recall anything being bad. What was wrong with the button layout before? It using BA instead of YB?
Raph's adapters have like 1ms of lag. Ridiculously fast.
CharlesDangus
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Does anybody know what the desired behavior is for the Drop Shadow Test on the 240p test suite? I still can't find anything definitive.
Shin Johnpv
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http://junkerhq.net/xrgb/index.php/240p_test_suite#Drop_Shadow_Test
It has all the tests and what the results should be.
Also turn your sharpness down, turning sharpness to max introduces artifacting.
It has all the tests and what the results should be.
Also turn your sharpness down, turning sharpness to max introduces artifacting.
CharlesDangus
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http://junkerhq.net/xrgb/index.php/240p_test_suite#Drop_Shadow_Test
It has all the tests and what the results should be.
Also turn your sharpness down, turning sharpness to max introduces artifacting.
For some reason the sharpness settings on my tv turned all the way down make the image look really soft, like the pixels are bleeding into eachother or like there's a bilinear filter applied.
Edit: I'm not home atm but I'll do some tests when I get there.
Yeah, I hate using it with BA on the SNES controller. Now I can use YB, and have Super Mario World on GBA control like it does on the actual SNES!
But B A on the SNES is on the same position as on the Game Boy?
NormalFish
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saveweyard
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I have a question about using my framemeister with my AV receiver. Right now I have every console, HD and retro both, going through the framemeister through its various inputs and then splitting the output to go to my Denon receiver and my capture card. My question is, is the denon introducing any extra image processing before it gets passed to my tv? I suspect it isn't since I'm feeding it a 1080p signal, but I can't find like a direct passthrough setting or something similar anywhere to make sure.
The angle is so steep on a SNES pad. I hate how it feels.
Most likely, yes it is. If, for example, it the receiver adds any UI to the display (for example, it shows when you're changing the receiver's inputs or muting volume) then it is likely adding input lag to overlay such UI images.
If not, another good way to test is to set the Framemesiter to 720p when connected to the receiver and see whether the HDTV recognizes it as a 720p image or a 1080p image. (Many HDTV's will show the resolution when switching TV inputs). If the TV shows 1080p, then you know for sure that the receiver post-processing the signal and likely adding lag. If the HDTV shows 720p, chances are, it's probably not, but it's still not 100% certain.
Another great way to test in your particular setup is to use your splitter to split one of your console's HDMI outputs. Put one into the receiver and the other into a direct input on the HDTV. Then use picture in picture (PIP) mode on your HDTV (if it has one) to test whether the receiver's image is a few frames behind.
BA are larger, more sharply angled and more spaced out on the SNES controller than on the GBA, making it difficult to press both buttons at once with the top of your thumb. YB is more comfortable to use.
Do you have any info re: this? I tried looking into it before and only found a link to an AV forum post saying any added lag from a receiver is so small to the point of being negligible.
BONKERS
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I'm like the opposite, I prefer BA. But that's why there should be choices. And damn it, i'm still waiting for GCVideo Lite component cables to come out.
I want to play GBA games with my GBPlayer over component on my CRT so bad lol
So, I received my AV Famicom with NESRGB board from Baphomet yesterday in the mail. Oh my goodness, this thing is amazing! The quality is superb, and Bapho did a phenomenal job with the modding: the installation is super clean. He went above and beyond helping me, as there were difficulties (The NES RGB board I had originally ordered was faulty!).
A total class act, and I can't recommend his services enough. Thanks so much! And now, some pics...
The Famicom itself, it was in super good condition with no yellowing (Despite looking a bit like it in this pic)
Batman ready for his closeup.
Left, my stock NES. Right, the Famicom AV.
Finally, there it is hanging with its older siblings in my setup.
A total class act, and I can't recommend his services enough. Thanks so much! And now, some pics...
The Famicom itself, it was in super good condition with no yellowing (Despite looking a bit like it in this pic)
Batman ready for his closeup.
Left, my stock NES. Right, the Famicom AV.
Finally, there it is hanging with its older siblings in my setup.
saveweyard
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Hmm, it is adding some UI stuff, but it is not scaling the image up to 1080p when fed a 720p image from the framemeister. It isn't doing any scaling on a 480p image either. Unfortunately, no PiP on this set. I really can't perceive any added input lag over what the framemeister and my tv are adding, and I'm usually fairly sensitive to that. If I start missing jumps in tough platformers, though, I'll have an excuse.
Flizzzipper
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awesome setup.
God-tier setup, BTails! Very nice.
Finally, there it is hanging with its older siblings in my setup.
This is an amazing set up. I am so jealous!
How is PS2 with this hdmi covnerter?:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01J4CR66A/?tag=neogaf0e-20
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01J4CR66A/?tag=neogaf0e-20
It's a component to hdmi box. It doesn't upscale, it's just a passthrough. If you don't have component inputs on your TV it's cool, otherwise don't bother.
Just an FYI, Retrovision component cables for SNES and Genesis are back in stock.
https://shop.hdretrovision.com/collections/component-cables
https://shop.hdretrovision.com/collections/component-cables
Fabthegnome
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I'm looking for a PVM, but based in the West Midlands [UK] and having great difficulty finding monitor sets outside of London, I swear those guys must be hoarding them all! XD
I would greatly appreciate any tips you guys might have for finding a set a little more local.
I would greatly appreciate any tips you guys might have for finding a set a little more local.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I set up an email reminder on Craigslist for the word "PVM". One day I got a hit. FREE Sony PVM-2530. Amazing.
ebay has a few here and there, as does gumtree. I found a guy with 8 JVC 17" broadcast monitors an hour away back in may for cheap. bought two.
speedlolita
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I don't suppose you're the gent that just inquired about my 20M4E?
Laevateinn
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I had no idea you could do this.
Fabthegnome
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Hah, indeed I am, no doubt I've spoken to many on here in the past month without realising. : D
speedlolita
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Haha, very true. Good luck in your search!
Damn, I've just been searching for them manually like a pleb. Good idea!
PumpkinSpice
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Anyone knows what this?
I'm trying to troubleshoot. I hope it's not my TV.
It's the vertical hold on a CRT display, it's just a small knob usually on the back of the TV to adjust it, look for either "V-Hold" or "Vertical Hold" on the back of the TV or under the front control flap to adjust it manually. Totally normal and takes just a couple seconds.
The scaler used in that Genesis smears the image in motion like a scart to hdmi converter...that's insane!!!
Disgusting.
Finally ordered an XRGB-Mini.
Is this the correct adapter to for component input?
https://solarisjapan.com/collections/micomsoft/products/d-terminal-to-component-adapter-cable-female
Just want to make sure I order the right one.
Is this the correct adapter to for component input?
https://solarisjapan.com/collections/micomsoft/products/d-terminal-to-component-adapter-cable-female
Just want to make sure I order the right one.
saveweyard
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Yep, that'll work.
entremet
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Thanks!
I actually forget about that nonsense. This is my retro CRT which I got a few years ago.
Unfortunately, I need to remove the back cover. There are screws. Dumb design.
Edit: The screws are the knobs! WUT?! lol
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