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[Bay Maximus]

Yeah. Sure. The reason people of color don't agree with you about Bernie Sanders is that they're ignorant! Obviously if they knew everything about him they'd support him just as much as you. The only explanation is that they don't know as much as you do.



This is even better! The reason people of color don't support Bernie is that the fix is in!

Guys, the reason Bernie's only popular with white liberals right now is because he has a message tuned to white liberals. Where is he on voting rights? Where is he on child care? Where is he on immigration reform? Where is he on criminal justice reform? He's nowhere. Hillary has all that stuff front and center.

A message that focuses on economic inequality and ignores racial inequality is going to fail with people of color. That's just how it is.

You seem awfully defensive for some reason. As a black male whose social circles consists largely of middle-class black people, most black people I know are much more familiar with the Clintons than Sanders. It's not unreasonable to think that his bio/positions could sway some of them. Also, you can fuck right off with your condescension. That's the last post I respond to with that kind of tone.

 

[ErasureAcer]

Stolen from Reddit. CBS from 2014 talking to middle-aged adults on America's middle-class all espousing Bernie's platform. Bernie can win.

 

[Big Baybee]

Yea, it's mostly like political blogs, Twitter, podcasts and urban radio, but I feel like most blacks (or most people in general) have no idea who the fuck bernie sanders is, and why they should support him. Joe Madison asking a dumb ass question like "will you apologize for slavery" doesn't help get his actual message out to his listeners. I like Bernie and I like Hillary, so I'd be fine with either one.

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

This is even better! The reason people of color don't support Bernie is that the fix is in!

Guys, the reason Bernie's only popular with white liberals right now is because he has a message tuned to white liberals. Where is he on voting rights? Where is he on child care? Where is he on immigration reform? Where is he on criminal justice reform? He's nowhere. Hillary has all that stuff front and center.

A message that focuses on economic inequality and ignores racial inequality is going to fail with people of color. That's just how it is.

I agree that Sanders is pretty one dimensional and needs to speak out more about the issues you brought up. I think he is waiting for the debates for that though. As for my reason why blacks seem to not support him, I think its because they just support Clinton more. The discussion at the time was about blacks not liking sanders, which I don't think is true. Furthermore, Sanders is still pretty unknown by most of the population, so I wouldn't see a reason for them to NOT like him. Is issue nationally at this moment though is he hasn't given much of a reason to like him either.

When all is said and done, I don't doubt that people who pay attention will know where he is on issues. I don't know if they will be enough to pull people away from Clinton's name appeal/history or not.

And yes, I think the black pundits/politicians/leaders are supporting Clinton because they owe her one. This is how politics work. It doesn't mean it is a "fix" though. However when you say "a message that focuses on economic inequality and ignores racial inequality is going to fail with people of color," I have to say that Sanders is going to the root of the issue. Poverty is the cause of much of the divides and issues in our country.

 

[ErasureAcer]

Is Bernie going to make it to all 50 states?

Today, Sunday July 19 - Dallas and Houston, Texas
Sunday July 26 - New Orleans, Louisiana
August, some city(ies) in Mississippi, Alabama, South Carolina

Add to that New Hampshire, Iowa, Minnesota, Colorado, Wisconsin, Maine, Arizona and he's up to 24% where he's held massive(thousands) rallies.

 

[And_Gignac]

Yeah. Sure. The reason people of color don't agree with you about Bernie Sanders is that they're ignorant! Obviously if they knew everything about him they'd support him just as much as you. The only explanation is that they don't know as much as you do.



This is even better! The reason people of color don't support Bernie is that the fix is in!

Guys, the reason Bernie's only popular with white liberals right now is because he has a message tuned to white liberals. Where is he on voting rights? Where is he on child care? Where is he on immigration reform? Where is he on criminal justice reform? He's nowhere. Hillary has all that stuff front and center.

A message that focuses on economic inequality and ignores racial inequality is going to fail with people of color. That's just how it is.

Sanders speaks every time he can about the issues you just said. He doesnt ignore racial inequality. I mean, c´mon, thats an absolutely false statement and terrible misrepresentation of his character.
In all of his rallies he has dedicated plenty of time to talk about pro-immigration reform, pro-encarcelation of racist police officers, etc. And his record speaks volumes too. He has a central focus on the economy, but so does Hillary.

 

[Cameron122]

Going to the dallas rally tomorrow

 

[Kusagari]

Is Bernie going to make it to all 50 states?

Today, Sunday July 19 - Dallas and Houston, Texas
Sunday July 26 - New Orleans, Louisiana
August, some city(ies) in Mississippi, Alabama, South Carolina

Add to that New Hampshire, Iowa, Minnesota, Colorado, Wisconsin, Maine, Arizona and he's up to 24% where he's held massive(thousands) rallies.

He needs to come to South FL already.

 

[Foffy]

Sanders speaks every time he can about the issues you just said. He doesnt ignore racial inequality. I mean, c´mon, thats an absolutely false statement and terrible misrepresentation of his character.
In all of his rallies he has dedicated plenty of time to talk about pro-immigration reform, pro-encarcelation of racist police officers, etc. And his record speaks volumes too. He has a central focus on the economy, but so does Hillary.

Isn't he the only candidate who, so far at least, mentioned the contrast between white youth unemployment and black youth unemployment? Nearly a third of white youths and over half of black youths are jobless.

Of course, I personally believe there's a huge problem with the mandation of jobs in the first place, but it also speaks to how poorly the youth are empowered, typically with the resources we consider necessary to live the "good life". How many people are kind of doomed in a society that also mandates college education when its costs are at an all time high in history? They're going to have nothing, because they already fail what we mandate, and anything they do have may be the first thing taken from them with low-skilled automation.

 

[Valhelm]

He needs to come to South FL already.

Nobody comes here lol

 

[Good Job Bob]

Guys, the reason Bernie's only popular with white liberals right now is because he has a message tuned to white liberals. Where is he on voting rights? Where is he on child care? Where is he on immigration reform? Where is he on criminal justice reform? He's nowhere. Hillary has all that stuff front and center.

He discussed all of these today in his Phoenix rally..

 

[makingmusic476]

Anyone going to the rally here in New Orleans on Sunday the 26th?

Some friends and I will totes be there.

 

[DarthButcher]

Just got home. I'll answer questions and post thoughts and pictures shortly.

 

[BradC00]

He discussed all of these today in his Phoenix rally..

For those that missed it, can you summarize? I'm watching the replay but more information is never a bad thing

 

[neogaffer1]

For those that missed it, can you summarize? I'm watching the replay but more information is never a bad thing

I wasn't paying complete attention to the stream but I remember that he stated that there should be mandatory 12-week paid maternity leave.

 

[DarthButcher]

Guys, the reason Bernie's only popular with white liberals right now is because he has a message tuned to white liberals. Where is he on voting rights? Where is he on child care? Where is he on immigration reform? Where is he on criminal justice reform? He's nowhere. Hillary has all that stuff front and center..

He did not discuss voting rights tonight.

He discussed child care and access to it, as well as maternity/paternity leave, sick leave, and mandatory minimum vacation leave.

He discussed immigration reform.

He discussed the need for criminal justice reform, ending the school to prison pipeline, and racial inequalities of police treatment and incarceration rates.

He's discussed all of these things and more in his short time as a candidate, whereas I cannot recall Hillary discussing specific policy issues yet.

Bernie Sanders also has a nearly 30 year Congressional record where he has fought for these issues tooth and nail, to claim otherwise is to be ignorant of his record.

 

[RastaMentality]

Might go to the Houston rally tonight. It wasn't on my radar but I said hell might as well. I can at least say I saw a candidate in person.

 

[Hellraizah]

Bernie has crossover appeal. He will pull in Libertarians and Conservatives. It's already happening.

Are you serious? I'm not from the USA, but I'm a libertarian and I don't know any libertarian who would vote for a statist like this guy.

 

[BlackSalad]

Might go to the Houston rally tonight. It wasn't on my radar but I said hell might as well. I can at least say I saw a candidate in person.

I encourage anyone on the fence to go check it out. It was my first time attending an event like this and it was a good experience. Despite getting stuck in downtown phoenix for over an hour and a half after the rally because of the huge crowd, it was a breath of fresh air considering the political climate that is typical of Arizona.

 

[RastaMentality]

I encourage anyone on the fence to go check it out. It was my first time attending an event like this and it was a good experience. Despite getting stuck in downtown phoenix for over an hour and a half after the rally because of the huge crowd, it was a breath of fresh air considering the political climate that is typical of Arizona.

Does town meeting imply that people ask questions or no

Also, most importantly (lol) is there any merch?

 

[BlackSalad]

Does town meeting imply that people ask questions or no

Also, most importantly (lol) is there any merch?

Since they changed the venue in Houston to something larger, I doubt there will be any questions asked by the crowd, it'll probably be very similar to the event held in Phoenix.

No official merchandise for sale here, but I was able to grab a couple signs and bumper stickers for free when I entered the convention center.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

Dude ask him would he apologize for slavery, he goes into politico "See what had happen was"

https://soundcloud.com/joemadisonth...ernie-sanders-responds-to-apology-for-slavery

So you're mad that a man being asked to personally apologize for the institution of slavery, even though he had nothing to do with it and was never alive during it's time politely declined and said a much more sensible answer, that the country as a whole should always remember and atone for it's mistakes and fix the issues that slavery has caused over the decades?

You're mad at him for that?

Bernie has crossover appeal. He will pull in Libertarians and Conservatives. It's already happening.

As for you, if you want to vote Hillary. Vote Hillary. Let's keep this machine trudging along at a snails pace. I mean as bad as things are in economics, climate, justice...we as a society have survived this far, right? Let's see how long we can continue to keep going on this course before all hell breaks loose. Kind of intriguing, no? Who needs Zombie-apocalypses when you can have economic, climate and justice apocalypses all at the same time. Grab your shotgun!

Libertarians would never vote for Bernie, he's the exact opposite of what Libertarians stand for.

And he's not going to get a republican vote of 2015 America either.

 

[FiggyCal]

So you're mad that a man being asked to personally apologize for the institution of slavery, even though he had nothing to do with it and was never alive during it's time politely declined and said a much more sensible answer, that the country as a whole should always remember and atone for it's mistakes and fix the issues that slavery has caused over the decades?

You're mad at him for that?



Libertarians would never vote for Bernie, he's the exact opposite of what Libertarians stand for.

And he's not going to get a republican vote of 2015 America either.

The state will never vote itself out of existence. I would think most libertarians are fiscally conservative and would probably vote for republicans because of that reason (or maybe they're socially liberal and vote democrats because of that) -- but it's not like "small government conservatives" actually want smaller government. Not when you have them talking about ISIS and border control, gay marriage, contraceptives, etc. While the state does exists, I do see the benefit of having a president that isn't a Warhawk, that is pro-unions, for democratic workplaces, etc. I don't necessarily even agree with all of his positions. Plus I'd say he's less likely than other candidates to collude or protect large companies. He's for ending fossil fuel subsidies and against subsidizing large farms.

 

[Enron]

Bernie has crossover appeal. He will pull in Libertarians and Conservatives. It's already happening.

Uhm, what?

 

[Taedar]

Political threads on GAF are hilarious!!

 

[Indicate]

Coverage of Bernie's town hall has started.

Link:ODTV

 

[KingK]

Are you serious? I'm not from the USA, but I'm a libertarian and I don't know any libertarian who would vote for a statist like this guy.

Not "real" libertarians, but the politically ignorant, typically young "libertarians" who only really care about pot, the internet, and were previously Ron Paul fans. Some of that crowd has flocked to Bernie purely because he's anti establishment and they don't actually understand any issues well enough to maintain internal consistency, but i think people (both pro and anti Sanders) are overestimating the amount. The majority of that crowd will go for Rand Paul and vote republican or not vote in the general.

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

Coverage of Bernie's town hall has started.

Link:ODTV

Thanks

 

[oni_saru]

He discussed immigration reform.

What did he say about this?

I'm kinda considering going to the Houston one.

 

[Valhelm]

Uhm, what?

Weird but true. I think it's because, far and away, poor white people are the most staunchly conservative voters, but some of them might recognize that their economic interests are not being met by the GOP.

 

[Indicate]

What did he say about this?

I'm kinda considering going to the Houston one.

A few minutes ago he just mentioned about fighting for a path to citizenship which will bring together families and not divide them.

Bernie also touched upon racism and reminded the audience about Sandra Bland and Freddie Gray. He said he wants a nation where african americans can walk down the street without worrying about being falsely arrested or beaten.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Weird but true. I think it's because, far and away, poor white people are the most staunchly conservative voters, but some of them might recognize that their economic interests are not being met by the GOP.

As someone working with some liberal environmental organizations, we've actually had a lot of support from the far-right recently because of their distrust of businesses to go along with all elites. It's going to be interesting to see if this trend continues.

 

[God Dayumm]

A few minutes ago he just mentioned about fighting for a path to citizenship which will bring together families and not divide them.

Bernie also touched upon racism and reminded the audience about Sandra Bland and Freddie Grey. He said he wants a nation where african americans can walk down the street without worrying about being falsely arrested or beaten.

Is he still against H1B visas and other forms of legal immigration? His position on immigration seemed very paternalistic to me, but maybe he has changed

 

[Indicate]

Is he still against H1B visas and other forms of legal immigration? His position on immigration seemed very paternalistic to me, but maybe he has changed

I'm not sure, I haven't really been caught up with his immigration policies. Maybe someone else here can fill us in?

 

[USC-fan]

Any truth to the reports he was protested by black lives matter at this event?

Seems crazy to me.

 

[oni_saru]

A few minutes ago he just mentioned about fighting for a path to citizenship which will bring together families and not divide them.

I see. Thx!

 

[Indicate]

Any truth to the reports he was protested by black lives matter at this event?

Seems crazy to me.

I had the stream running the entire time, but was listening on and off. I don't think such a thing happened.

 

[Seventy70]

I really hope Bernie wins. Hillary seems too disconnected from the people. She has that crazy psychopath look at times.

 

[USC-fan]

I had the stream running the entire time, but was listening on and off. I don't think such a thing happened.

Must have been another event. Heard about while watching CNN but didn't hear what event.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/18/politics/bernie-sanders-netroots-nation-black-lives-matter/

Whats wrong with these protesters? Sad.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Must have been another event. Heard about while watching CNN but didn't hear what event.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/18/politics/bernie-sanders-netroots-nation-black-lives-matter/

Whats wrong with these protesters? Sad.

They seemed completely ignorant of his history.

 

[Indicate]

Must have been another event. Heard about while watching CNN but didn't hear what event.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/18/politics/bernie-sanders-netroots-nation-black-lives-matter/

Whats wrong with these protesters? Sad.

This happened yesterday before the large phoenix rally.

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

I really hope Bernie wins. Hillary seems too disconnected from the people. She has that crazy psychopath look at times.

 

[woodchuck]

Went to the Dallas event. Really good turnout. It was packed in the ballroom.

 

[Arkeband]

Bernie's official FB page.

 

[FiggyCal]

Good for him.

 

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Good, he should be more vocal about this. Fill the void Clinton creates.

 

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Good, he should be more vocal about this. Fill the void Clinton creates.

Actually, no, this isn't a good start.


Don't use #SayHerName and then bring up a bunch of men. If you're trying to placate concerns, come correct to show that you're listening.

 

[werks]

Actually, no, this isn't a good start.


Don't use #SayHerName and then bring up a bunch of men. If you're trying to placate concerns, come correct to show that you're listening.

You forgot to log in to your new account to argue with yourself.

 

[Ciastek3214]

Actually, no, this isn't a good start.


Don't use #SayHerName and then bring up a bunch of men. If you're trying to placate concerns, come correct to show that you're listening.

What a fail. Hahaha.

 

[USC-fan]

All this "#" junk is just getting silly.

You forgot to log in to your new account to argue with yourself.

Lol... wtf