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Downhome said:
I am a conservative Republican, and even I enjoy hearing Bernie Sanders speak, and I even agree with a number of things that he says.

I hate how there is a hardline and to many people you can't share any of the views of an opposing party.
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According to GAF, people like you don't exist and only Hillary has a chance at your vote.
 
pa22word said:
The last time the american left won with a dude like Bernie his name was Jimmy Carter, and the only reason they won was because Nixon, and poor 'ol Carter was absolutely slaughtered by Reagan once the dust settled. DNC has learned its lesson since then, and have been pretty center left ever since the clinton years, and will remain to be so for fear of inadvertently unleashing another Reagan on americans by pulling an Icarus move, as well intentioned as that move might be.

Bernie lost all chance at the nom with that "socialist" tag he's placed on himself, sad as that is. DNC is perfectly content with maintaining the status quo with another center-left candidate while slowly inching progress forward enough to maintain power and not alienate the center. It's honestly the smart move, really, and one they'll be sticking to until the GOP pulls its head out of its ass and becomes a contender again, which is something they might be able to do if the DNC gets over-cocky and shoots too far to the left this time for comfort.
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I wonder what the DNC will do the day the Republican party moves left enough that the two parties are indistinguishable. In my view the Republican party did a better job of taking control. If America can shift hard to the right for decades there is no reason it can't shift left even if only slightly (especially when you take demographic changes into account). Somehow I don't see another Reagan happening in an era with marriage equality, massive climate change initiatives, looming single payer healthcare, growing marijuana acceptance and successful grassroots support for a living wage. Republicans may not even have a real scapegoat in Iran if Obama's deal is successful. The climate change is real (I'm so sorry) and Republicans haven't adapted at all.
 
How was Carter's presidency, progressive-wise? I know nothing about him other than he was a peanut farmer and Fox News calling him a wimp or lame every now and then.
 
YoungHav said:
How was Carter's presidency, progressive-wise? I know nothing about him other than he was a peanut farmer and Fox News calling him a wimp or lame every now and then.
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After visiting the Carter library not too long ago, and actually meeting President Carter, I have to say that it's surprising to me that even now his presidency isn't looked on very fondly (even by democrats). Though it's just a small overview:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/1600/presidents/jimmycarter

That goes into a few things that he did.
 
ArchedThunder said:
The audio of the Portland rally recording is muted due to copyright...
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They played "Keep on Rockin in the Free World" when Bernie arrived and left. I bet Neil Young doesn't have a problem with that, and they'll be able to get it cleared. (Young already let him use the song.)
 
YoungHav said:
How was Carter's presidency, progressive-wise? I know nothing about him other than he was a peanut farmer and Fox News calling him a wimp or lame every now and then.
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He's responsible for the great evil of helping poor and minority folks get loans. I'm sure you've heard at least one republican name check this as the main reason for the 2008 economic crash.

He also attempted to pass universal healthcare but got fucked by Ted Kennedy.

Didn't accomplish much due to clashing with democrat leadership over corruption and spending...although he did appoint Paul Volcker to the Federal Reserve.
 
I was thinking of heading over to the LA rally, but I believe capacity is only around 16,000, and since it starts in an hour I'd probably be standing outside. Will definitely watch the live stream.
 
SolarPowered said:
He has more of a chance at winning than Ron Paul did with Republicans. Honestly, he'd be the favorite in a race that doesn't involve Hillary (or Biden who isn't even running so far).
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No he doesn't.
 
Indicate said:
Live coverage of Bernie's rally starting soon.

Live stream: Bernie 2016tv (youtube), Brawley Sports News (UStream)
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Neat

I can't wait to see how big today's turnout will be.
OrangeGrayBlue said:
I've never seen so many people on the metro going to one event. It feels like E3 right now.
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Time to get hyped.
Angry Grimace said:
No he doesn't.
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Yes? Probably? Maybe? I guess not, but it can't hurt to hope, watch, and contribute.
 
So I just found out Bernie Sanders is Jewish, won't that automatically make it impossible for him to become President?

I figured every President had to be Christian, or some other denomination within.

What's his views on Israel?
and Palestine?
 
orochi91 said:
So I just found out Bernie Sanders is Jewish, won't that automatically make it impossible for him to become President?

I figured every President had to be Christian, or some other denomination within.

What's his views on Israel?
and Palestine?
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If he was a shill for Israel he wouldn't be supporting the Iran deal, which is Bibi's Ragnarok.

He also doesn't have dual citizenship which was Republican FUD when he announced his candidacy.
 
What are the rally numbers of other candidates, especially big ones like Clinton and Trump. I see the numbers, but I can't contextualize them.
 
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orochi91 said:
So I just found out Bernie Sanders is Jewish, won't that automatically make it impossible for him to become President?

I figured every President had to be Christian, or some other denomination within.

What's his views on Israel?
and Palestine?
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A Jewish socialist? He might as well become Atheist to complete the triple threat.
 
Chariot said:
What are the rally numbers of other candidates, especially big ones like Clinton and Trump. I see the numbers, but I can't contextualize them.
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Back in May of 2008, Obama visited Portland and pulled 75k at Waterfront Park.

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soleil said:
According to GAF, people like you don't exist and only Hillary has a chance at your vote.
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Ha, well that's crazy. I'd vote for Bernie Sanders many times over before I'd ever even consider Hillary. Heck, I'd vote for Bernie Sanders over a number of the GOP candidates right now.
 
OrangeGrayBlue said:
I don't know why this is being held at the sports arena and not the coliseum right beside it. 16,000 capacity isn't enough.
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I don't even want to begin to imagine how much more it would cost to rent a the Coliseum with it's capacity of 93,000. In a perfect world he would pay for it and pull a full audience. Can you imagine the sheer terror at the DNC if that happened? Obama pulling 75k was stupendous. I don't even have a word for the hypothetical scenario I came up with lol.
 
Downhome said:
Ha, well that's crazy. I'd vote for Bernie Sanders many times over before I'd ever even consider Hillary. Heck, I'd vote for Bernie Sanders over a number of the GOP candidates right now.
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Could you maybe articulate why you would choose Bernie, as a Republican? Because I would like to know so that way I can discuss it with other Bernie supporters where I live.
 
soleil said:
Could you maybe articulate why you would choose Bernie, as a Republican? Because I would like to know so that way I can discuss it with other Bernie supporters where I live.
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Probably because he seems like a relatively genuine dude. The same reason I could've seen myself maybe fucking with a Jon Huntsman back in the day.
 
orochi91 said:
What's his views on Israel?
and Palestine?
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- Supports the Iran Deal
- Supports a Two-State Solution
- Boycotted Netanyahu when he gave a speech to Congress without Presidential consent.

REHM: Tell me your feeling about whether there should be a two-state solution should Palestine be given statehood?

SANDERS: Absolutely. What you have in that part of the world is an unspeakable tragedy. And it seems like it's never-ending and it seems like it every year gets worse and worse and more killing and more bombings and everything else. And again, Diane, if I had the magical solution to that problem I would be in the president's office today giving it. I don't have it. But clearly the goals are two-fold: number one the Palestinian people, in my view, deserve a state of their own, they deserve an economy of their own, they deserve economic support from the people of this country. And Israel needs to be able to live in security without terrorist attacks. Those are the goals of I think any sensible foreign policy in that region.

REHM: How do you believe President Obama's relationship with Prime Minister Netanyahu has affected our relationship with Israel?

SANDERS: Well, I gotta tell you, I am not a great fan of President Netanyahu I did not attend the speech that he gave before the joint session of Congress. I think it was opportunistic. I think he was using it as part of his campaign for re-election. I think he was being used or did use the Republicans to go behind the President's back. And I think in that region sadly on both sides I don't think we have the kind of leadership that we need. And so you know I think the President is trying to do the best that he can in enormously difficult circumstances.

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/bernie-sanders-im-not-great-fan-benjamin-netanyahu
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YoungHav said:
How was Carter's presidency, progressive-wise? I know nothing about him other than he was a peanut farmer and Fox News calling him a wimp or lame every now and then.
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Carter was the American response to Watergate, Nixon, and the Vietnam war. The country was desperate for change, and there was no chance Ford (as the last holdover from Nixon) would be elected.

Carter was well-meaning, but his presidency was marred primarily by stagflation and, later, the Iranian crisis. He was a very smart man, too, but one who was done in by the circumstances, and had no real chance for re-election.
 
Gnome Scat said:
- Supports the Iran Deal
- Supports a Two-State Solution
- Boycotted Netanyahu when he gave a speech to Congress without Presidential consent.
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Good to know, but that particular problem between Israel and Palestine is so rotten and old that I have a hard time seeing how it will be solved. I think it'll still be a problem even once we've got 100% driverless car penetration, 100% renewable energy production and even free college here in the US. Basically, the future looks really dim for Palestine if it even exists in a few more decades.
sphagnum said:
He's "not religious".
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I backed the right (wrong based on current trends) horse, didn't I? :P
 
soleil said:
Could you maybe articulate why you would choose Bernie, as a Republican? Because I would like to know so that way I can discuss it with other Bernie supporters where I live.
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There are multiple reasons, the least of which (as JustenP88 has said above) is indeed the fact that he comes across as relatively genuine. He seems like a real, living, person to me who has actual opinions of his very own, and screw what other people thinks about it. I don't get that from Hillary, I never have. I wont go into it, but I'm sure I'm not alone on why I dislike her. Sometimes you just flat out don't believe someone, you don't trust them, and that's how I feel about her. It has nothing to do with her being a Clinton or especially her being a woman.

I am a fan of his stern talks, being so open, on issues of income and wealth inequality. I do think certain things need to change, and it sickens me where we are right now when it comes to the overall economics of our country.

I can separate my affiliation from my passion on specific issues. A lot of this is why I'm also enjoying the Trump show far more than I know I should be. I like how they both seem to just not care what people think of their opinions, they speak their minds and people accept it or not, and they don't care what their overall party thinks of it.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not "for" either one of them. I disagree with a ton of things Bernie is for, just like I'm certainly not totally for Trump. I don't feel like I have to be totally for anyone to really support them though. I'm sick of the fake ways most of the candidates comes across, how they seem to bow to whoever pays them the most money, all of that grosses me out.

And no, neither Bernie Sanders nor Donald Trump will have a chance to actually win the nominations of their respective parties, I think most everyone can agree on that. It doesn't mean people shouldn't support them though. Perhaps through that certain things will have influence for the future if nothing else. We will ultimately come down to Clinton or Biden vs. Rubio or Bush.
 
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