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US GAF: Support your national soccer team
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talisayNon
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ZZMitch said:
no, he will get dicked around again and fail. the mls is not the same mls it was 3 or 4 years ago. there are a handful of quality teams in the league. have freddy here so he doesn't sit rotting on some bench. he'll get pt initially but as soon as he performs badly one or two games in a row it's over for him. he needs to get constant pt - which only the mls can probably guarantee.
The MLS has substantially expanded since then and ratings for the game are consistently going up. When were you born? Before 1990 the US team was a handful of players who made it in Europe's lower leagues and college players. Interest will continue to grow if MLS ticket prices stay reasonable, and it takes a different kind of athlete to play soccer than the 3 games it is trying to catch, except for goalie. It would be nice to if an NBA athlete played in goal.Unknown Soldier said:
It is going to be a slow build, and not a breakout.
80/20. We were scattered about with the exception of Sam's Army. Our voices were drowned out by their fans. I got yelled at, spit at and showered but I cheered on. Such a disapointing game. We lost our wind once they scored the first goal. We had chances but the magic just wasn't there.Judderman said:How was that home field advantage for the US?
talisayNon said:
I agree so much with this. Sitting on the bench is going to be no good for him. The MLS is no European League but its gotten better and consistent playing time can turn him into something special. Once he has polished up his game, the opportunities from Europe will come knocking.
Subitai said:
I'm sorry but I look at the product on the field now and its beyond substandard with no prospects for improvement. We are a much worse team than we we're in 02. I dont demand the world of the USMNT, I just demand competency. There's just too much stooge-esque bullshit in our game. I choose to not invest myself in it emotionally when they play because quite simply they aren't worth it.
If the USSF refuses to address the issues that plague our talent development, player selection and strategy, then it just isn't worth it. Our "style" is basically to cower and hope for something against the run of play and I just cannot get behind that anymore. I demand better. I will watch because I like soccer, but I won't lose any sleep over it when we get our ass kicked by real competition or embarrassed by the shit teams in CONCACAF.
Because merely wanting a better coach would obviously mean we had the money to afford a better coach, and that the better coach we wanted would accept the job even though we are a 15-30 range team with zero superstars. The only coach who is both known outside of the US and has ever expressed interest in the job is Klinsnann.Y2Kev said:
And of course with that amazing coach we would also have Rossi and Subotic, and Onyewu and Davies would never have been injured, and both Holden and Chandler would have been on our roster, and Cherundolo wouldn't have gotten injured forcing us to play Bornstein for the first time and move Lichaj from the position he had been playing all tournament. And we'd probably have a pro-US crowd in LA.
talisayNon
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btw has this been posted in this thread yet?
talisayNon
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DominoKid said:
Cherundolo getting injured was huge. All 4 Mexican goals came from Bornstein's side. He can't play against speed players, he gets torched every time. He's constantly out of position, but can use his speed to cover that against slower forwards. He was useless against the speed of the Mexicans.
Freddy Adu was fantastic. He had the assist on the first goal and a hockey assist on the second and caused problems for the Mexicans all night. Hopefully his play in the last two games will get him more playing time with his club, or will get a more prestigious club to take a chance on him.
Did anyone else think Michael Bradley looked a little tired during the tournament? He kept losing balls in the midfield that he never has before.
I've never been a big Bob Bradley fan, but I thought he handled the last couple games pretty well. I usually have a bone to pick with him about some one in the starting lineup, but haven't had that problem since he sacked Tim Ream. I loved that he gave Freddy Adu a chance. His hands were tied with some slim pickings defensively and some tough injuries (Holden and Demerit going into the tournament then Altidore and Cherundolo during it).
Freddy Adu was fantastic. He had the assist on the first goal and a hockey assist on the second and caused problems for the Mexicans all night. Hopefully his play in the last two games will get him more playing time with his club, or will get a more prestigious club to take a chance on him.
Did anyone else think Michael Bradley looked a little tired during the tournament? He kept losing balls in the midfield that he never has before.
I've never been a big Bob Bradley fan, but I thought he handled the last couple games pretty well. I usually have a bone to pick with him about some one in the starting lineup, but haven't had that problem since he sacked Tim Ream. I loved that he gave Freddy Adu a chance. His hands were tied with some slim pickings defensively and some tough injuries (Holden and Demerit going into the tournament then Altidore and Cherundolo during it).
Regulus Tera
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Chicharito got a wonderful assist though. <3
Also TOP GOALSCORER of the tournament and MVP.
KidA Seven
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Heretic said:
He's a poacher. He gets his goals off of sublime movement. You should learn about that aspect of the game. No one is proclaiming him on Messi's level. Everyone sees him as a great striker, which he has proven both at club and international level the last 2 years.
timetokill
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This was probably posted, but just in case: http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/soccer/news/story?id=6705473
ESPN said:
I think the better team won in the end. Cherundolo going out early was a significant blow, though. Our D is just too porous. The 3rd and 4th Mexican goals showed some real skill.
On the bright side, I'm really glad to see Adu gaining confidence. He's got great foot skill and field awareness compared to a lot of the other MNT players; definitely feel more confident about him in a starting role.
Shame the US won't be playing in the Confed Cup. I think it really helped us the following year in the World Cup.
On the bright side, I'm really glad to see Adu gaining confidence. He's got great foot skill and field awareness compared to a lot of the other MNT players; definitely feel more confident about him in a starting role.
Shame the US won't be playing in the Confed Cup. I think it really helped us the following year in the World Cup.
Regulus Tera
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The ceremony was bilingual, what is he on about?timetokill said:
Thoughts about the game after a day of drinking and mourning and anger:
- Credit where credit is due, Mexico played well and definitely deserved to win.
- Cherundolo getting injured was a huge, huge, huge blow to us. It's not use thinking if things would have been different if he hadn't been injured though.
- Bornstein, Bornstein, Bornstein...I understand why he had to come in, and that he was our only half way of halfway decent sub for Cherundolo, but I don't understand why he didn't come out. After the third goal, he should have come out and we should have gone something like 3-5-2, and he definitely should have gone out of the game at 4-2.
- At 3-2, I felt we definitely had an equalizer in us. IN fact, I was expecting the equalizer. Then that 4th goal happened.
- All the goals (except for the first one) that Mexico scored on us frustrated me so much. Oh so much.
- The silver lining in ALL of this is that Adu's career (at least for the USMNT) might have experienced a revival. I liked what I saw, and our two goals were the result of Adu's play. He still holds on to the ball for too long, sometimes though.
- I hate the fact that this is the last real competitive match till the World Cup. Sure, we have the Olympics next year, but that's essentially a U-23 tournament, and the Gold Cup in 2013 is a joke of a tournament. World Cup Qualifiers are one offs, and they're not usually "competitive", and playing against strong competition in friendlies are also one off and don't count.
- Ream was a bust, and Wondolowski was just another MLS flavor of the month, ala Buddle and Findley once upon a time. Ream might have somewhat of a future in the USMNT, because our defense is quickly aging and we need to experiment with players as much as possible, but I really don't care to see Wondolowski play for us again.
No other way, unless for some nefarious reason, CONCACAF take away Mexico's Gold Cup.
- Credit where credit is due, Mexico played well and definitely deserved to win.
- Cherundolo getting injured was a huge, huge, huge blow to us. It's not use thinking if things would have been different if he hadn't been injured though.
- Bornstein, Bornstein, Bornstein...I understand why he had to come in, and that he was our only half way of halfway decent sub for Cherundolo, but I don't understand why he didn't come out. After the third goal, he should have come out and we should have gone something like 3-5-2, and he definitely should have gone out of the game at 4-2.
- At 3-2, I felt we definitely had an equalizer in us. IN fact, I was expecting the equalizer. Then that 4th goal happened.
- All the goals (except for the first one) that Mexico scored on us frustrated me so much. Oh so much.
- The silver lining in ALL of this is that Adu's career (at least for the USMNT) might have experienced a revival. I liked what I saw, and our two goals were the result of Adu's play. He still holds on to the ball for too long, sometimes though.
- I hate the fact that this is the last real competitive match till the World Cup. Sure, we have the Olympics next year, but that's essentially a U-23 tournament, and the Gold Cup in 2013 is a joke of a tournament. World Cup Qualifiers are one offs, and they're not usually "competitive", and playing against strong competition in friendlies are also one off and don't count.
- Ream was a bust, and Wondolowski was just another MLS flavor of the month, ala Buddle and Findley once upon a time. Ream might have somewhat of a future in the USMNT, because our defense is quickly aging and we need to experiment with players as much as possible, but I really don't care to see Wondolowski play for us again.
methodman said:
No other way, unless for some nefarious reason, CONCACAF take away Mexico's Gold Cup.
Unknown Soldier said:
Wow this is like the ultimate frontrunner comment...
I do believe the US will have a chance to win the World Cup in my lifetime, but that is NOT why I am a fan. Do you have any idea how hard that is? Look at England, where the sport started and home of the best league, yet they last won in 1966. Spain had never won anything important until the last few years. What about the hundreds of millions of people around the world who are fans of the hundreds of national teams that have no chance of ever even entering the top tier...
daoster said:
Agree with all of this except for the no competitive matches until the next World Cup bit:
The 2013 Gold Cup isn't a joke anymore, Mexico beat our C team in 09, we need to get revenge in 13. And the 2012 Olympics are just what this team needs, an influx of new talent. Even WC qualifying is no joke, the top Central American teams and Jamaica will be tough at home not only for the US but even for Mexico.
We lost this game when Cherundolo got injured. Bornstein was awful, I don't want to be too hard on the guy since he didn't play all tournament, but I don't even want to see his face again for at least two years. And he should have been subbed out when we needed two goals.
It's time to start building a team for 2014, Cherundolo and Bocanegra need to be slowly phased out, Hahnemann should be done, and we need to stop bringing in fringe guys who will be irrelevant by then. Instead of Wondo, Buddle, Rogers, etc. we need to start calling up Gyau, Gatt, Wood...
jamesinclair
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talisayNon said:btw has this been posted in this thread yet?
Brazilian teams play twice as many games as MLS teams.
Brasileirao
Copa do Brasil
State tournaments
Sudamericana
Libertadores
Theres no off season in Brazil
platypotamus
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If there was no offseason for the Sounders, we'd still be there in droves year round.
Gamecocks625
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Yeah as heartbroken as we feel right now, you gotta admit that England fans have probably experienced more heartache in the sport. I mean, sure, us USA fans are hopeless romantics in the sense that we love our team to death and hold out hope that one day we will finish the script on the best story ever told in terms of winning it all. England? Those guys are freaking stacked with the best league and then they go out and get blown away by Germany in WC 2010. Did they even qualifying for the Euro 2008 finals? WE even finished above them in the group this past round. Totally crazy.
Mexico reminds me a little of Clemson fans. They won something decent back in the day and still think they are Spain 2.0 or Argentina reinvented.
Again, they had the better team on the field...still sucks though. I would have loved for Landon's goal to be the final nail in the coffin, but Mexico just turned on their jets. They were definitely fun to watch and if I was a Mexico fan, I'd still be drinking the koolaid thinking they'll somehow take the Confederations Cup and World Cup 2014.
Mexico reminds me a little of Clemson fans. They won something decent back in the day and still think they are Spain 2.0 or Argentina reinvented.
Again, they had the better team on the field...still sucks though. I would have loved for Landon's goal to be the final nail in the coffin, but Mexico just turned on their jets. They were definitely fun to watch and if I was a Mexico fan, I'd still be drinking the koolaid thinking they'll somehow take the Confederations Cup and World Cup 2014.
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