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Does Microsoft even care? They are certainly growing their PC and cloud streaming business via Game Pass. They also now have a collection of first party studios to push out decent enough games. As long as the first party content quality improves over the next few years and MS drops some kind of portable PC to capture that growing part of the market, I doubt MS cares if they believe they are on a path to sustained profitability.
so 6 million difference. It's not two to one or three to one in the US?
- I thought it was that bad tbh.
What I find interesting is that the TAM is not growing at all, it's just 2 million people decided to buy the PS5 instead of the Series consoles. It's actually shrinking and that's with Covid boom demand.
Looking at those numbers, you realize that the approximate percentage of sales for the last two Xbox consoles in the USA is 50% of their global sales.
One sold 29 million in the USA out of the 58 million sold worldwide, exactly half. The Series estimates are 14 million in the USA and approximately 28 million worldwide, also an approximate 50%.
No, what the Series consoles desperately need are good games.
Yeah way too lopsided. If you include North America, it's probably closer to 60%.Looking at those numbers, you realize that the approximate percentage of sales for the last two Xbox consoles in the USA is 50% of their global sales.
One sold 29 million in the USA out of the 58 million sold worldwide, exactly half. The Series estimates are 14 million in the USA and approximately 28 million worldwide, also an approximate 50%.
You will keep hoping for that.I hope Apple or somebody else comes along and makes a proper competitor for ps6.
Forza horizon became bigger after 4 and 5An optional console, with the $499 flagship still widely available…
Lol. They’ve invested a shit load of money into games.
Execution and end product is the issue.
Forza Horizon is MUCH bigger than Forza Motorsport, and FH5 certainly didn’t suck ass.
But how on earth did you list those two and omit Starfield, which underperformed?
You will keep hoping for that.
I actually want Apple to try, but if It's gonna be essentially a Xbox Series 2, don't bother.
On a side note, oh well, It looks like PlayStation only for me next gen as well. I won't be buying a Switch 2.
Migrating to the PC market. Gamers in careers can generally afford the jump.so 6 million difference. It's not two to one or three to one in the US?
- I thought it was that bad tbh.
What I find interesting is that the TAM is not growing at all, it's just 2 million people decided to buy the PS5 instead of the Series consoles. It's actually shrinking and that's with Covid boom demand.
iPhone 5s was released in 2013. The base model was $649.
Well.....to be fair a GTA current gen game hasn't been released yet. And we've had no price cuts on the consoles.
But they are generating more revenue and you know that. So that has to mean something......
The one thing about Microsoft's failure of the Xbox console is that it has allowed people like Mibu no ookami to be able to say the bolded. Console gaming isn't growing purely and ONLY due to MS and Phil's horrible management.
1: This is US-only; globally in a lot of markets it's like 10:1 in favor of PS5, even more in select regions
2: TAM doesn't need constant growth for the market to sustain itself. This is a lie that greedy shareholders and corporate suits put out there in their chase for impossible "infinite growth".
What actually matters is healthy sustained revenue & profits relative operating expenses. Something Microsoft failed at, Sony are trying to find a balance in, and Nintendo has solved.
Series consoles are closer to 26.2 million global sold-through (as of April 1), not 28 million. At least IMHO.
But yes, the US has been accounting for the heavy majority of Xbox console sales since the 360, in fact. I think some 42 million 360s were sold in the US alone.
They have a nice range of good games IMO. Forza Horizon 5, Flight Simulator, Minecraft, Sea of Thieves. Pentiment, HiFi Rush....
The real problem is they have no zeitgeist-amazing AAA bangers and, worst yet, no actual exclusives. Every single game is Day 1 on PC, rendering the console value moot.
Forza horizon became bigger after 4 and 5
Fm7 was huge forsa motorsport was one of the brands xbox was built on
They released the trailers of motorsport since the launch of of sx saying it was from the ground up and it absolutely suck.
I bought the sx only for motorsport just to wait for it 3 years and getting disappointed.
Starfield and buying of Activision came later.
They fucked up infinite too although it's a good game now and mostly feature complete but after like 1.5 years of releasing it when the game is almost dead.
Combined sales down when comparing generations. Not good with higher game budgets.
How much do phones cost VS 2013?
Graphics cards?
TVs?
Any other tech items?
Are they all suffering the same fate?
That's 6 games in 3.5 years and only one truly next-gen game. Minecraft and Sea of Thieves are also from the Xbox One era and before. Hi-Fi Rush, Pentiment, and Sea of Thieves are on PS5 as well, effectively leaving you with 1 game you cannot play on PS5 and that's a simulation game.They have a nice range of good games IMO. Forza Horizon 5, Flight Simulator, Minecraft, Sea of Thieves. Pentiment, HiFi Rush....
The real problem is they have no zeitgeist-amazing AAA bangers and, worst yet, no actual exclusives. Every single game is Day 1 on PC, rendering the console value moot.
It looks better then it is because of the supply problems in the beginning.so 6 million difference. It's not two to one or three to one in the US?
- I thought it was that bad tbh.
I was one of the people that fought you on this. Looks like I'm gonna be wrong and you maybe right. I was thinking the floor for XBS was 40 million and the high is 50 million units sold.
Conclusion! Huh?
Is the shrinking due to lower interest in gaming, or older gamers graduating to PC? Microsoft is doing much better than I thought and there is 0 reason to own one if you have a nice gaming PC. For PS5 the only real reason to own one if you have a PC is getting first party games quicker.so 6 million difference. It's not two to one or three to one in the US?
- I thought it was that bad tbh.
What I find interesting is that the TAM is not growing at all, it's just 2 million people decided to buy the PS5 instead of the Series consoles. It's actually shrinking and that's with Covid boom demand.
So....just looking at the chart would tell you it's ahead of the PS4...and this is your take away?I must be wrong because otherwise others would had pointed this out already but..
Only 20M hardware sold for the market leader console ? In 5 years ?
Seems awfully low to me. Is this thing gonna touch the 80 or 100 mark in its lifecycle.
Source of these numbers? Seem to be just VGchartz-like user fan guessesSIE's largest lead in 20 years
PS5 adoption has skyrocketed over the last 18 months
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But we know the market dynamics have changed. Sony is strongest in Europe and US. They’ve been crushed in Japan.Yes.
This is the US where they are almost always historically dead even (or Xbox having a lead).
Worldwide Playstation sells waaaaay more than Xbox.
This is the closest ratio worldwide, aside from maybe Mexico.
This isn't just not bad, it's a fucking disaster.
Ps3 and 360 were about the same difference apart at this point launch aligned, and that ended with around 20M difference.We're looking at potentially a 10 million difference by the end of this gen.
It was over the moment they decided to open the reveal of their newest console(Xbox One) with it's DVR capabilities and follow that up with a permanently attached peripheral no one asked for.It was over the moment MS put Xbox games on PS.
No more console wars. Just pointless arguments from now on.
That was the most self sabotage moment in the history.It was over the moment they decided to open the reveal of their newest console(Xbox One) with it's DVR capabilities and follow that up with a permanently attached peripheral no one asked for.
I was expecting a lot worse for Xbox…
Might as well look at it like this, there are enough posts in here that think the current numbers aren't that bad.On a positive note, the XB S/X is doing better than the OG XB.
Agreed. There needs to be more competition. Not less. Maybe steam will finally do something? Or that long rumoured tencent one?Xbox is in an lose/lose situation. Pack it up early on Series X and launch a new console early, then Sony will have a stronger console because they waited longer for new AMD shit. Ride out this console until 2028, and you are just bleeding even more market share because consumers don’t want it.
I hope Apple or somebody else comes along and makes a proper competitor for ps6. Sony as the only “high end” console on the market will be terrible.
Sony will face it's biggest challenge with current regime.Sony will try to leverage their dominance in gaming to expand in entertainment across the board.
Agree.Xbox is in an lose/lose situation. Pack it up early on Series X and launch a new console early, then Sony will have a stronger console because they waited longer for new AMD shit. Ride out this console until 2028, and you are just bleeding even more market share because consumers don’t want it.
I hope Apple or somebody else comes along and makes a proper competitor for ps6. Sony as the only “high end” console on the market will be terrible.
They launched a full year ahead of the PS3, and the PS3 was ridiculously expensive when it finally launched. By the time it came out, it became obvious that if you wanted a "robust" and truly next gen(so, PC like) multiplayer experience - your only option was the 360.Might as well look at it like this, there are enough posts in here that think the current numbers aren't that bad.
The 360 is looking more n more like an anomaly. I don't think MS will ever have a perfect storm like that gen to grab market share again.
Xbox one , Xbox one x and series sx all have one problem
Games
These are fucking gaming consoles with no aaa system selling games.
They have the right idea. Hardware isn't going to get them anywhere. They need content. The problem is that their original first party studios aren't doing them any favours, which is why they had to go on a content spending spree.Xbox is in an lose/lose situation. Pack it up early on Series X and launch a new console early, then Sony will have a stronger console because they waited longer for new AMD shit. Ride out this console until 2028, and you are just bleeding even more market share because consumers don’t want it.
I hope Apple or somebody else comes along and makes a proper competitor for ps6. Sony as the only “high end” console on the market will be terrible.
X360 had call of duty.Might as well look at it like this, there are enough posts in here that think the current numbers aren't that bad.
Case in point, the post above, lol.
The 360 is looking more n more like an anomaly. I don't think MS will ever have a perfect storm like that gen to grab market share again.
It all accumulates into larger, global sales, which are pretty bad.In before "but in insert random country here, it's dead!" posts!
They already released a console for the Chinese market back in 2016, which I assume it's well discontinued by this point.Or that long rumoured tencent one?
Why’s it spin?“I thought Xbox was doing worse”. This is their best territory and they are being manhandled. No way to spin it.
Be thankful this isn’t a worldwide thread. It would look like one of them is sleeping during the race.
Because this is the US and expectations should be met accordingly. The gap here is bigger than it has been in a long time. That’s….. disastrous because the picture isn’t only seen through the lense of one territory.Why’s it spin?
I’m legitimately surprised they’ve managed to sell that many consoles. Their games suck. It’s also why I don’t think MS going third party achieves anything. I don’t think PS owners want MS titles.
I expected the gap to be bigger.
I'll make this really easy for you: Because then you'd have to buy a PS, use that controller and pay for their online. All of those are a hard pass for me, unless I'm left with no viable alternative. I much prefer Xbox.But more importantly, who buys an Xbox when you can just buy a Playstation and still play both PS and Xbox games?
Sony will face it's biggest challenge with current regime.
Putting a financial person as your decision maker doesn't bode down very well in the long term.
All they care is $$$$ and not how consumers will react to their decision.
Is there any info on how each of the Series consoles is performing on sales?
Most of the data I have seen are always combined sales.
Just looking at the last two years it's clear that demand for xbox is dropping, let's not forget the US is by far their strongest market, the difference globally is going to be much larger. Last year it was nearly 2 to 1 and this year so far it's over 2 to 1 in the US. It's crazy when you look at the fact that the Series S is only $299 and has sold significantly more units than the Series X.so 6 million difference. It's not two to one or three to one in the US?
- I thought it was that bad tbh.
What I find interesting is that the TAM is not growing at all, it's just 2 million people decided to buy the PS5 instead of the Series consoles. It's actually shrinking and that's with Covid boom demand.
If anyone needs the year-by-year ratios (PS5 to XS+X):
Year 1: 1.3 to 1
Year 2: 1.1 to 1
Year 3: 1.3 to 1
Year 4: 1.8 to 1
Year 5 (so far): 2.3 to 1
LTD: 1.4 to 1
You can see the PS5 had a small advantage during the first three years, but that ramped up considerably in Year 4 and 5. And the trend is upward.
To the best of my recollection, the sales ratio for PS4 vs. Xbox One only hit 1.8 to 1 during the last year of that generation. This time it hit that level halfway through the gen.
This is despite having a much cheaper console contributing the majority of those Xbox numbers. And it's also despite rock-bottom prices at Crazy Phil's Discount Emporium.
Then the question becomes what's viable for Xbox.I'll make this really easy for you: Because then you'd have to buy a PS, use that controller and pay for their online. All of those are a hard pass for me, unless I'm left with no viable alternative. I much prefer Xbox.
I'll always have the newest Nintendo console as well, of course, but it's a secondary console to play mostly Nintendo games on.
If you are someone who doesn't care about Playstation games or prefer Xbox controller, those are a couple of points.Way better than I expected from Xbox and much better than it deserves. I just don’t see the point of that system when the amount of high-quality games it has that the PS5 does not can be practically counted on one finger.
Yeah during the 360 generation they had a 15 million sales lead in the US, that changed with the xbox one and while they were more competitive here than most places they were still outsold by the PS4 and now you have this generation going worse for them than the last one all while having the cheapest option available.1: This is US-only; globally in a lot of markets it's like 10:1 in favor of PS5, even more in select regions
2: TAM doesn't need constant growth for the market to sustain itself. This is a lie that greedy shareholders and corporate suits put out there in their chase for impossible "infinite growth".
What actually matters is healthy sustained revenue & profits relative operating expenses. Something Microsoft failed at, Sony are trying to find a balance in, and Nintendo has solved.
Series consoles are closer to 26.2 million global sold-through (as of April 1), not 28 million. At least IMHO.
But yes, the US has been accounting for the heavy majority of Xbox console sales since the 360, in fact. I think some 42 million 360s were sold in the US alone.
They have a nice range of good games IMO. Forza Horizon 5, Flight Simulator, Minecraft, Sea of Thieves. Pentiment, HiFi Rush....
The real problem is they have no zeitgeist-amazing AAA bangers and, worst yet, no actual exclusives. Every single game is Day 1 on PC, rendering the console value moot.
shouldn’t be an option. cause it’s a suboption that developers have to restrict their games to.An optional console, with the $499 flagship still widely available…
Lol. They’ve invested a shit load of money into games.
Execution and end product is the issue.
shouldn’t be an option. cause it’s a suboption that developers have to restrict their games to.
They clearly have rushed their games, some investment goes into the games, but the alot of it goes into taking a financial hit per release for subscriber numbers increases.
Each release becomes less about being as good as possible, to churning games out for the optics of having constant day one releases for consumers to feel their are getting a steal. Instead you just get a bunch of games that don’t respect your time.