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[The Librarian]

What do you expect honestly? Romney has flip flopped large numbers of times this campaign and stood there and said he never said what he said. Is Obama supposed to not grill him over flat out lying? And did you happen to miss the other debates where Romney was vicious himself?

Look, I don't have any time to pay attention to who has said this or that throughout the campaign. That's way too much to sift through. I just want a president who knows what he's doing, and during the debate Obama came off as man who knew pretty well that his poll numbers had fallen and he was looking to exploit some weakness – any weakness – in Romney, but Romney wasn't biting. If Obama was a real leader he would've simply ignored Romney, since Romney is so undeserving of his time, and laid out a vision. But he didn't do that. Romney was acting way more presidential.

I'll fill out my absentee ballot for Romney tomorrow.

 

[PrivateWHudson]

This is how it's done, people.

Nah...it's just Obama, or Mr. Obama, never President Obama.

 

[SirButterstick]

My summary for the night: Man, a lot of seriously butthurt conservative out there tonight.

 

[Stinkles]

Cursory googling of Free Republic would agree with that assessment, but partisan condescension from either political spectrum seems tactless to me.

There are many reasons to be an undecided voter aside from laziness. Who can say, really, that they are 100% fully informed about anything? No one really is. Most who claim to be "fully informed" are mostly "informed" with the information that supports their preferred candidate.

Yes, both sides are equally bad and people in the middle are thoughtful philosophers.

 

[Rentahamster]

Is opposite day a meme on Poligaf now or something?

 

[Veitsev]

Serious post? Mitt Romney has worn the douchebag smile for every debate and has been the interrupting disrespector of the president. If anyone is arrogant it is most certainly him. Way to vote based on manners instead of policies

Shouldn't a president act like a president? The Liberal Media may like Obama's form of aggression, but on election day voters in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Ohio will show America the truth no matter what PoliGaf has deluded themselves into thinking.

 

[CherryWoodFuton]

Is trolling day a meme on Poligaf now or something?

Fixed. Yall have been had

 

[DY_nasty]

i cant recall if it was TTC or TED talks, but a year ago or more, i recall an economist talking about global realities in store for america in the coming decades as china - and eventually india - outgrow our economy, and logically start to dwarf our influence after that.

what do you think happens then? does the world fall apart without us rushing in to protect our interests? moreover: when the sun set on the british empire and they had to let go of their colonies & the like, do you think their economy dwindled, or grew after that burden was lifted?

granted, different times/circumstances and like it or not there's commitments like japan, isreal etc we'd not be able to shake even if we wanted to, but the narrative you're supporting here is one that's going to take a beating in a rather inevitable - and not very long from now - future.

I actually agree with you in a sense. The only difference being that it is a lot more possible now than ever to maintain a sort of global influence without having boots on the ground in every place that you have an interest or ally. The ability to make that transition lies in the fact that America already has a "foundation" in place.

Another reason why Romney irks me as a conservative is his inability to even fabricate practical long-term economic goals.

 

[Rentahamster]

Yes, both sides are equally bad and people in the middle are thoughtful philosophers.

Actually, what I said was that acting like a condescending, judgemental jerk is rude no matter what political side you are arguing from, and that while some undecideds are that way because they are lazy, low information voters, that doesn't necessarily mean that they all are.

 

[Gibbo]

not a American, but after watching all the debates, how is this even neck to neck? even taking into account Obama's lackluster performance in the first one, he should be taking home the elections by now. really baffled by the poll numbers so far

 

[nib95]

Look, I don't have any time to pay attention to who has said this or that throughout the campaign. That's way too much to sift through. I just want a president who knows what he's doing, and during the debate Obama came off as man who knew pretty well that his poll numbers had fallen and he was looking to exploit some weakness – any weakness – in Romney, but Romney wasn't biting. If Obama was a real leader he would've simply ignored Romney, since Romney is so undeserving of his time, and laid out a vision. But he didn't do that. Romney was acting way more presidential.

I'll fill out my absentee ballot for Romney tomorrow.

I cant tell if you're joking. But Obama's point was that Mitt was and is always flip flopping about his policies, where as Obama is and always has been firm. Romney's vision tonight was simply to copy Obama's, and to reject his own vision, or at least parts of the ones he's championed many times before over the last few months. Evidently Mitt will say anything to curry favour, even if it's against his own beliefs, what he's said in the past, or his party policies. Essentially he's a fake. A car salesman running for President. Obama absolutely should have called Romney out for that.

Only in America does a flip flopping liar get voted in because the other guy calls him out for it. Lol.

 

[DjRoomba]

Shouldn't a president act like a president? The Liberal Media may like Obama's form of aggression, but on election day voters in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Ohio will show America the truth no matter what PoliGaf has deluded themselves into thinking.

Well as you just quoted me saying, Mitt Romney has been certainly agressive and arguably more arrogant in his attitude. Is that presidential? How about insulting 47 percent of the country? Hes a really strong president there. Really I cant even believe that Mitt Romney supporters posting here are for real. I respect disliking both, but thinking Mitt Romney can run the country better just seems like insanity. Mormons are crazy. Mitt is a proven liar, is incompetent and his plan doesnt make sense

 

[IrishNinja]

I actually agree with you in a sense. The only difference being that it is a lot more possible now than ever to maintain a sort of global influence without having boots on the ground in every place that you have an interest or ally. The ability to make that transition lies in the fact that America already has a "foundation" in place.

Another reason why Romney irks me as a conservative is his inability to even fabricate practical long-term economic goals.

agreed. don't get me wrong; ive got conservative friends on about "do you think the world will be a better place when china's calling the shots rather than us, given their human rights track record?" and its not something i can really argue with, but that's kinda the thing: to quote the rock, it doesn't matter how i feel about that anymore than how i feel about the tide coming in.

Look, I don't have any time to pay attention to who has said this or that throughout the campaign. That's way too much to sift through.

the costanza vote. huge untapped market! been sayin this for years.

bulletpoint that shit, america. if it cant fit inside a tweet, you lost me

Yes, both sides are equally bad and people in the middle are thoughtful philosophers.

as a thoughtful philosopher i take umbrage with your usage of the words "bad" and "the". now if you'll excuse me, i'm going to go contemplate my navel for a bit

 

[Veezy]

not a American, but after watching all the debates, how is this even neck to neck? even taking into account Obama's lackluster performance in the first one, he should be taking home the elections by now. really baffled by the poll numbers so far

Politics, for many, shapes reality. Not the other way around.

 

[GillianSeed79]

Yes, without the United States to guard us here in Europe, foreign invasion would be inevitable.

Pfft, next thing you'll tell me is that the Soviet Union doesn't have tanks ready to go to invade West Germany...wait...I'm getting word here in the newsroom that the Soviet Union collapsed well over a decade ago...wait I'm getting another update. Apparently East Germany doesn't exist anymore. They've taken to being Germany again and that wall is no longer there. I urge Europe to remain calm. The United States will be forever vigilant against an invasion of Western Europe from...(what is the closest non-Nato power with tanks?) That one. Yes, that one. Japan is cool too. We got that just in case they are invaded by, ugh, Russsi..no, no China...no I mean North Koreee...Oh Christ, it's Japan. We protect them, they give us videogames, televisions and weird shit.

 

[Rentahamster]

Only in America does a flip flopping liar get voted in because the other guy calls him out for it. Lol.

Not exactly. It was a pretty big thing that Bush used to criticize John "Waffles" Kerry.

Kerry didn't get voted in.

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-250_162-646435.html

 

[EatinOlives]

Shouldn't a president act like a president? The Liberal Media may like Obama's form of aggression, but on election day voters in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Ohio will show America the truth no matter what PoliGaf has deluded themselves into thinking.

Could we get a straight answer as to what is this even supposed to mean?

 

[DY_nasty]

Could we get a straight answer as to what is this even supposed to mean?

For some it means "Be whiter"

 

[The Lamonster]

not a American, but after watching all the debates, how is this even neck to neck? even taking into account Obama's lackluster performance in the first one, he should be taking home the elections by now. really baffled by the poll numbers so far

We are saying the same thing over here.

 

[Rentahamster]

Fixed. Yall have been had

Seems like a silly thing to do.

 

[gamergirly]

Look, I don't have any time to pay attention to who has said this or that throughout the campaign. That's way too much to sift through. I just want a president who knows what he's doing, and during the debate Obama came off as man who knew pretty well that his poll numbers had fallen and he was looking to exploit some weakness – any weakness – in Romney, but Romney wasn't biting. If Obama was a real leader he would've simply ignored Romney, since Romney is so undeserving of his time, and laid out a vision. But he didn't do that. Romney was acting way more presidential.

I'll fill out my absentee ballot for Romney tomorrow.

That's what Obama did the first debate. Would u have voted for Obama then?

 

[Stinkles]

Actually, what I said was that acting like a condescending, judgemental jerk is rude no matter what political side you are arguing from, and that while some undecideds are that way because they are lazy, low information voters, that doesn't necessarily mean that they all are.

Sure, there are exceptions that prove the rule. And condescension from a platform of truth is better than condescension from a lie. I am totally done with false equivalency. It's infinitely worse than poor ettiquette and infinitely more destructive to dialog.

 

[RDreamer]

The political world has gone so completely crazy that it's now easy as hell to troll people and no one has a clue, lol.

 

[Canuck76]

Good graphic artists can work really quickly, but I'm RALLy surprised they were able to get DNS resolution so quickly. They definitely had prewarmed some stuff with a dynamic DNS server.

This and the whole "mormon rituals" videos that were put on youtube.....

I just want to vote for Obama because he's a bad man

 

[Kunan]

Look, I don't have any time to pay attention to who has said this or that throughout the campaign. That's way too much to sift through. I just want a president who knows what he's doing, and during the debate Obama came off as man who knew pretty well that his poll numbers had fallen and he was looking to exploit some weakness – any weakness – in Romney, but Romney wasn't biting. If Obama was a real leader he would've simply ignored Romney, since Romney is so undeserving of his time, and laid out a vision. But he didn't do that. Romney was acting way more presidential.

I'll fill out my absentee ballot for Romney tomorrow.

That's what Obama did in the first debate and everyone trashed him and said he was weak, and Romney got his momentum finally.

Also yes you did miss the other debates which were the exact same as this except flipped around the other direction with Romney attacking Obama constantly and barely talking about his own plans. But this debate is the only one that matters, so we can pretend that all that didn't happen.

Because why vote for a dude that was trying to exploit weaknesses of the other, when you can vote for a dude that was trying to exploit weaknesses of the other.

 

[gamergirly]

We are saying the same thing over here.

Its because the news media is trying hard to make it look fair. Obama is ahead in early voting with numbers similar to 2008 in most of those states

 

[bjb]

Romney had a solid performance tonight.

 

[IrishNinja]

Dax are you also good at blackjack, or is poker more your style

 

[Forever]

not a American, but after watching all the debates, how is this even neck to neck? even taking into account Obama's lackluster performance in the first one, he should be taking home the elections by now. really baffled by the poll numbers so far

He's black, and the Confederacy is still not down with that.

 

[alternade]

Lmao what is this from?

 

[Rentahamster]

Sure, there are exceptions that prove the rule. And condescension from a platform of truth is better than condescension from a lie. I am totally done with false equivalency. It's infinitely worse than poor ettiquette and infinitely more destructive to dialog.

Being a low information, lazy undecided isn't a "rule". There are plenty of people out there who don't treat political parties like a sports team.

 

[teh_pwn]

not a American, but after watching all the debates, how is this even neck to neck? even taking into account Obama's lackluster performance in the first one, he should be taking home the elections by now. really baffled by the poll numbers so far

Few reasons:
1. Media bubble. Right-wing lives in an alternate universe where Obama caused everything. Fox News is basically a hybrid between right-wing biased opinion, and the Romney campaign.
2. People forget that the economy tanked in August-Oct 2008, before Obama took office. So while a lot of people lost their jobs in 2009, Obama's policies quickly stopped the bleeding and turned things around. But people don't remember this.
3. Racism, likely. I have had email chains sent to me by relatives about secret Kenyan muslim. Look at Gallup's poll, which is +7 Romney. Regionally Obama is up by +3, except for "the south" (former confederacy rebellion southeastern states that defended state rights for slavery among other things) has romney +20.

 

[Keio]

It is a good sign when Romney voters are escaping to irrational arguments like "more presidential" to rationalize their voting choice.

 

[Choppasmith]

If you guys want a laugh, the Yahoo news comments (generally full of hateful conservatives) are full of butthurt comments. It's amazing just how accurate this is.

 

[threetri333]

You would think that Massachusetts would vote for their own Ex Governor.

 

[Xenon]

Could we get a straight answer as to what is this even supposed to mean?

It means the 90s called and they want their joke back...

 

[The Librarian]

I cant tell if you're joking. But Obama's point was that Mitt was and is always flip flopping about his policies, where as Obama is and always has been firm. Romney's vision tonight was simply to copy Obama's, and to reject his own vision, or at least parts of the ones he's championed many times before over the last few months. Evidently Mitt will say anything to curry favour, even if it's against his own beliefs, what he's said in the past, or his party policies. Essentially he's a fake. A car salesman running for President. Obama absolutely should have called Romney out for that.

Only in America does a flip flopping liar get voted in because the other guy calls him out for it. Lol.

I wish you wouldn't attack my views by insinuating that I'm stupid for voting for a "flip-flopper" or whatever. It seems to me that Romney only adopted the positions he did earlier in the year because he was trying to win the approval of very conservative people, and when the time was right he'd pivot to the center. That's what he did in the first debate with domestic policy, and that's what he did tonight with foreign policy. I don't blame him for shifting like that because you have to make the current Republicans realize you can't win on their views; you gotta move the party more to the center.

Romney is being very smart about this. By adopting new positions during the debate, he's saving the Republican Party a lot of headaches in the future.

I wanted to hold off on making a final decision until the debates concluded. I think I've given the president a fair chance, but in the end, Mitt won out for me.

 

[Forever]

You would think that Massachusetts would vote for their own Ex Governor.

You kidding? There's a reason he didn't run for more than one term. They loathe him there.

I wish you wouldn't attack my views by insinuating that I'm stupid for voting for a "flip-flopper" or whatever. It seems to me that Romney only adopted the positions he did earlier in the year because he was trying to win the approval of very conservative people, and when the time was right he'd pivot to the center. That's what he did in the first debate with domestic policy, and that's what he did tonight with foreign policy. I don't blame him for shifting like that because you have to make the current Republicans realize you can't win on their views; you gotta move the party more to the center.

Romney is being very smart about this. By adopting new positions during the debate, he's saving the Republican Party a lot of headaches in the future.

I just want to hold off on making any final decision until all the debates concluded. I think I've given the president a fair chance, but in the end, Mitt won out for me.

PoliGAF is proud of you Dax.

 

[bishoptl]

He's black, and the Confederacy is still not down with that.

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[Giard]

Sorry if this has been asked, but is the debate available online somewhere? Couldn't watch it earlier tonight.

 

[SirButterstick]

Romney had a solid performance tonight.

If by 'solid performance' you mean 'looks like he was fighting back bitchtears for an hour and a half,' then I agree 100%!

 

[Veezy]

Sorry if this has been asked, but is the debate available online somewhere? Couldn't watch it earlier tonight.

In HD No commentary.

 

[Kunan]

He literally said that being mean was not presidential but, in his own words, that tricking the half the nation into thinking you support them is. Really don't know how to ever respond to that.

I don't care who people vote for this fall, it's their right to make their own decisions. But man if that isn't just like what?

 

[Jintor]

I wish you wouldn't attack my views by insinuating that I'm stupid for voting for a "flip-flopper" or whatever. It seems to me that Romney only adopted the positions he did earlier in the year because he was trying to win the approval of very conservative people, and when the time was right he'd pivot to the center. That's what he did in the first debate with domestic policy, and that's what he did tonight with foreign policy. I don't blame him for shifting like that because you have to make the current Republicans realize you can't win on their views; you gotta move the party more to the center.

Romney is being very smart about this. By adopting new positions during the debate, he's saving the Republican Party a lot of headaches in the future.

I just want to hold off on making any final decision until all the debates concluded. I think I've given the president a fair chance, but in the end, Mitt won out for me.

So he lied to get deep conservative initial support based on a false premise and used his then-established position to try and redirect the party towards the center, once it became clear he was their only choice?

 

[DY_nasty]

Being a low information, lazy undecided isn't a "rule". There are plenty of people out there who don't treat political parties like a sports team.

The issues that are important to you should be treated a little more important than a sports team. I've always been a Republican at heart, at least by definition, but the tone that the Romney/Ryan ticket has taken (along with the GOP) concerning women's rights has completely soured me to them. I'm used to the minorities getting screwed by both parties, but taking steps backwards socially is something that I'll never be okay with.

You should know what's important to you at all times.

 

[SteveWinwood]

Is opposite day a meme on Poligaf now or something?

It's cute. They think they're funny.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

I wish you wouldn't attack my views by insinuating that I'm stupid for voting for a "flip-flopper" or whatever. It seems to me that Romney only adopted the positions he did earlier in the year because he was trying to win the approval of very conservative people, and when the time was right he'd pivot to the center. That's what he did in the first debate with domestic policy, and that's what he did tonight with foreign policy. I don't blame him for shifting like that because you have to make the current Republicans realize you can't win on their views; you gotta move the party more to the center.

Romney is being very smart about this. By adopting new positions during the debate, he's saving the Republican Party a lot of headaches in the future.

I wanted to hold off on making a final decision until the debates concluded. I think I've given the president a fair chance, but in the end, Mitt won out for me.

Yes, when the Republican Party decides that Mitt's loss on Election Day was due to his being a moderate RINO, and they go even more whole-hog Tea Party, it will certainly save them a lot of frustration and headache.

 

[DMczaf]

 

[Giard]

In HD No commentary.

Thank you!

 

[teh_pwn]

Why did gaf have to get rid of gif avatars. I don't have an avatar, but I totally would use this. Without the animation it's not the same.