US War #7? - Obama signs covert orders to help bring down Bashir Assad in Syria.
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SouthernDragon
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It's a tricky game they play over there.
If there's a broad coalition of support it's less likely to backfire, but the arbitrary divisions that didn't take into account the actual people there, as well as a history of botched interventions and oil companies dictating policy for a while made the locals... understandably resentful of foreign presences.
If there's a broad coalition of support it's less likely to backfire, but the arbitrary divisions that didn't take into account the actual people there, as well as a history of botched interventions and oil companies dictating policy for a while made the locals... understandably resentful of foreign presences.
PhoenixDark
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Pretty much. Labeling this war "#7" is laughable.
Personally I don't agree with arming the rebels, or any involvement whatsoever
Calling it now, Assad will not hang on. China and especially Russia will drag this out as long as they can, but the deck is stacked.
By the way, you said "no commentary" but added the War #7 shit to the title.
Terrible. Assad is an abominable ruler, but it is so unlikely that a post-Assad Syria would be able to achieve more than sectarian gridlock (at best) that you have to assume the US' goal in Syria is to plunge it into protracted paralysis or civil war. Let's hope that doesn't come to bite us in the ass in 30 years (see: Afghanistan, Iran, Pakistan, etc.).
ZackieChan
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Right. This is the kind of bullshit that has historically led to some kind of "they hate our freedom" blowback.
Rentahamster
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I wonder what Ja thinks of this.
And by Ja, I mean Thorbjørn Jagland.
And by Ja, I mean Thorbjørn Jagland.
PhoenixDark
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Of course that won't happen! Everything will go smooth
A peaceful, democratic Middle-East would be so amazing.
Imagine if you could actually vacation there. Or if they made quality products, or had international restaurant chains. Or contributed to unifying physics, or improved medicine for terminal diseases.
This is why we assassinate their rulers.
Imagine if you could actually vacation there. Or if they made quality products, or had international restaurant chains. Or contributed to unifying physics, or improved medicine for terminal diseases.
This is why we assassinate their rulers.
I know a Syrian guy who is leaving to go to Damascus to be with his family or something. When I asked wtf was he thinking going there during civil war, he admitted to supporting the current leadership too and that's he's a good, balanced leader. Man, you think you know someone...
Major_Lazer
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That's what the majority of Syrians think, maybe your the one that needs to open their eyes and see this situation for what it really is and not what is being fed to you by a one sided media.
Oh so you know more about Syria than him right ? Because of what the corporate media tells you.
TheContact
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Sunni al Qaeda wtf?
Yes , some Syrian rebels are flying al queda flags and US intelligence has admitted that al queda fighters are involved in the rebel uprising, just as they were in Libya.
I know opening fire on friendly protests killing hundreds, torturing children, shelling civilian areas, placing snipers in civilian areas to kill indiscriminately is wrong. I've actually spoken to other Syrians who think it's disgusting what they've done. Not even Egypt's leader went that bad. I'm not being fed by the media, it's obvious what's going on is wrong.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend and sometimes an enemy of another enemy is my friend and an enemy depending on oil.
Is he part of a minority in Syria?
Most minorities (Christians, Druze, Alawite) support the regime because the fear being oppressed under a Sunni Islamic rule.
It's a civil war both sides are committing atrocities , your only listening To one side of the story and it's disgusting to say someone who lives in Syria and sides with the government is wrong and you are right based on nothing but what narrative you are listening to when he is living it.
Major_Lazer
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The so called rebels are committing similar atrocities, both sides in this conflict are as bad as each other and have goals that have little to do with national interest. For you to simply pick one side while ignoring the other is hypocrisy at its finest.
This conflict is nothing like the other Arab Spring uprisings, if the rebels manage to take power Syria I truly feel sorry for them as they're fucked for the next 20 years.
ChiTownBuffalo
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The "encrypted" radios thing aren't that big of a deal. It's stuff like decommissioned Motorola Sabers and the like. Stuff you and I can purchase for about $50 in the US.
I would say most of the Syrian people fall in that category as well, tbh. With the younger generations it's more or less divided, but overall the country isn't exactly calling for his downfall.
As for him being a good and balanced leader, I don't know of anyone who complained about his leadership or just life in Syria in general, before this all started (though that's not to justify in any way what has happened since). I lived in Egypt for half a year and even then (09 iirc) it wasn't exactly a secret that there wasn't praising support and/or admiration for Mubarak amongst most people. He wasn't all-out hated by the general pubic, but there was certainly a sense of distaste for him all along. That's never been the case for Syria and Assad.
This is more or less true, you can make the argument that they (and Turkey) are arming/supporting the lesser of the two evils, but at the end of the day I have almost no doubt that either side is just fine with collateral damage at the civilians despair. Not to mention that a lot of those who are now armed, aren't even under a true political or structural guise like the free syrian army. Bringing in weapons only causes more chaos in the region and the people are the ones who are getting the brunt force of it.
This is one of this times where everyone should really just sit back and turn a blind eye to it all. Yes, people will die. Yes many of them will be innocent. But until one side or the other can prove that they can get their goals accomplished without mass bloodshed aside from the people doing the fighting, supporting either aide is just going to cause more useless bloodshed than had we not helped.
TheContact
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Hopefully it doesn't play out like Iran did, with the US installing a puppet leader who gets overthrown for someone worse than what was in before.
i'm shaking my head pretty hard over here. come on obama.
The thread title is pretty sensationalist. Here is the third line in the quoted part
i am guilty of not reading the entire thing before i posted, my bad.
I never said the rebels are all good and nice...
Rentahamster
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Not so "secret" if Reuters knows about it.
Pai Pai Master
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Evil Obama Throwing Us Into Another War
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No commentary!
Krauser Kat
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Its a pretty big shit fest over there even if the government murdered thousands before the civil war broke out. Do you side with the regime who was in power and killed thousands of protesters during peace time or the rebels who fight against a larger power during time of war.
This situation is slightly different.
Slightly.
It also didn't turn out OK for everyone in Libya.
SteveWinwood
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What a terrible title.
Rentahamster
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That's arguable.
Slackbladder
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Is Russia actively supplying Assad with weapons during this crisis? They still have a base there don't they? Or has Russia stopped selling arms to Syria?
It was relevant to the article and what the president has done during his term in office. From Libya to Syria.... just boggles my mind.
ElectricBlue187
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That's what they WANT you to think
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Nope, I'm wondering what the odds are him skipping or him being pulled out of a drain. I must say Syrian needs to work hard to top the end of Gaddafi. I mean that had things like busting the palace doors open, boss dude wearing Gaddaifi's hat and scepter, and Gaddafi getting his just deserts. Granted I don't want to see people lobbing VX around Syria.
SteveWinwood
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Not when you misrepresent it so.
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