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Utah Governor Herbert: I will NOT vote for Donald Trump - reversing endorsement
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When even fellow gropers are disgusted
wrestleman
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I like that last sentence. I hate the comments over on the actual post. Jesus.
These comments are sick.
Lol typical right wing redirection and denial. Disgusting.
McCain has grown soft over the years, disappointingly, but I will admit outright he was a class act during his campaign against Obama.
McCain Congratulates Obama On His Nomination
McCain Defends Obama from his own supporters.
Say what you will, during this campaign, he had a ton of guts and I did genuinely respect the hell out of him.
It's insane how we went from him to Trump in eight years.
Man-is-Obsolete
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I mean the people that put him as the republican candidate only have themselves to blame. This guys isn't just a gold mine of indecent behavior, he's a mountain made of gold with capital T R U M P in gold letters on the side of it. The guy has been saying and doing terrible things publicly for a long time.
How he ever made it this far is beyond me. Guess this whole thing just proves how ignorant the majority of the voting block is and easily manipulated they can be. Future presedential coverages need to do better at live fact checking or better prepared moderation that calls out this stuff. Because when Donald Trump says "wrong" to refute something in front of 100 million people that lasts longer and reaches further than the next week of fact checking does. We can't just let people waltz on stage and spin their own truth to millions of people. And then have news channels dedicated to spinning it furthermore after the fact.
I just can't believe it took Trump to say "grab her by the pussy" before anyone denounced him. As if to say everything before that was acceptable. It's a joke. The republican party is a big fat mess. Sad.
How he ever made it this far is beyond me. Guess this whole thing just proves how ignorant the majority of the voting block is and easily manipulated they can be. Future presedential coverages need to do better at live fact checking or better prepared moderation that calls out this stuff. Because when Donald Trump says "wrong" to refute something in front of 100 million people that lasts longer and reaches further than the next week of fact checking does. We can't just let people waltz on stage and spin their own truth to millions of people. And then have news channels dedicated to spinning it furthermore after the fact.
I just can't believe it took Trump to say "grab her by the pussy" before anyone denounced him. As if to say everything before that was acceptable. It's a joke. The republican party is a big fat mess. Sad.
Ninja Scooter
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All of that is countered by the fact that he picked Pailin as his running mate and gave credibility to the tea party movement that plagues this country to this day. Dude is spineless. He's responsible for why we went from him to Trump in 8 years. Palin is like the proto-Trump.
Nope. This is not now or has ever been true.
I disagree (and I disagreed with him picking Palin too). It was obvious a huge political move to nominate the second major female vice presidential candidate to earn votes from female voters (the GOP had had serious problem keeping female voters at that point), and while I don't think she's near the best choice, she still had 16 years of political experience and service at that point and her Tea Party insanity wasn't a thing yet until after her resignation in 2009, while Palin herself was very well-liked among conservatives and especially in Alaska at the time. MANY republicans urged him to pick her as his running mate at the time, and even his own campaign strategists advised him near unanimously to pick her. It was a clear political move to compete with the diversity of Obama's campaign making history that backfired.
Hindsight is 20/20. McCain made a bad call, but we have to remember that Palin was not as bad then as SNL portrayed her to be... but after the election cycle, she grew increasingly more and more unhinged.
I still entirely agree she was a bad pick though.
Again, McCain's got problems and has grown less bold over time, but George Bush Jr. himself never went after McCain's kids. The smear campaign was never identified and Bush vehemently denied responsibility and even personally sat McCain down to tell him the attacks were awful and he'd fire anyone who stooped to that level. McCain told him, "don't give me that shit." He implied (but never confirmed) that the ones responsible for the smear attack were Bush adviser Tucker Eskew and Bush political strategist Karl Rove.
... McCain did endorse him, but he also said he had no wish to ever run with him and remained outspoken of the Bush administration for many years, largely saying he felt Bush was still a better pick than Al Gore.
Not that you're wrong, but that's most politicians.
Hillary Clinton didn't pick Tim Kaine because he's the best choice for the job. It's because he's from a swing state that's important to the election and he can wrangle-up a lot of voters, especially since he prides himself on his bilingual Spanish (as a direct counter to Trump's "Mexicans are rapist" rhetoric).
tim kaine isn't dangerously idiotic, and it's different for mccain because he sells himself as principled and honorable
We're getting off track.
The point we can both agree on is McCain needs to rescind his endorsement of a man he's publicly calling indefensible and obscene.
mccain needed to not have endorsed in the first place. he'll still be a sellout after he pulls back from trump, only add cowardly on top because he couldn't do it until the rest of the party decided to lead the way.
lol
Trump called Cruz a pussy on stage at a rally, though. I guess now he's used it both ways.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/08/politics/donald-trump-ted-cruz-waterboarding/
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