radiantdreamer
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Valkyria Chronicles |OT| Beautiful art meets genre-redefining gameplay
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Dr. Acid Avatar
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RpgN said:
If true, I would hope Sega decides to port this to the 360. I own the PS3 version but I'm all in favor for a 360 port. If that were to happen, I'd hope it be able to help fund a sequel.
Paracelsus
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Dr. Acid Avatar said:
Valkyria Chronicles wasn't the only number leaked. There were also all the other major Jrpgs released on X360 (but SO4).
Yeah, a porting would be totally useless.
Paracelsus said:
At this point porting would make as much sense as Overworks did for Skies of Arcadia, almost pointless. I think Sega should be more worried about whether there's still a franchise at the end of the day (they're probably crossing their fingers the anime/manga do well - it's their only hope).
Hard cold facts:
http://garaph.info/softwareindividual.php?gameid=2861
Garaph sales (JP) = 142k
Best case is 300k worldwide.
The good news is that it did better than either of the Yakuza titles in the States, and that the team are quite talented in their work, but this might be it for the franchise, as per my post earlier in the thread:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13371564&postcount=290
Pachael said:In previous posts I have been quite pessimistic on VC statewide for a number of reasons, particularly the 'getting lost in a series of large releases', but I hope it becomes a bit of a sleeper hit. If it sells < 100K then it's all over
Dr. Kitty Muffins
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Dr. Acid Avatar said:
I agree.
gregor7777
Banned
Just gave the demo a whirl. I liked it. I'll have to look more into it.
Not $60 liked it, but if I can find it for around $40 or so I may pick it up.
Why? Lets say it got another 150k sales lifetime on the 360. Given the genre, I'd say they'd take that. Might even make some money.
Not $60 liked it, but if I can find it for around $40 or so I may pick it up.
Paracelsus said:
Why? Lets say it got another 150k sales lifetime on the 360. Given the genre, I'd say they'd take that. Might even make some money.
Robobandit
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gregor7777 said:
Yes, but consider that their engine was built from the ground up for the PS3... trying to shoehorn that onto the 360 most likely would not have good results.
Also, the full game is far, far better than the demo. It is easily worth the $60, imho.
gregor7777
Banned
Robobandit said:
Careful, there. :lol That's not the company line around here.
Robobandit said:
Perhaps. Single player games need to do a whole hell of a lot for me to drop $60. I can just wait and get it for $40, and pick up another $20 single player game for the same amount I would have spent on VC at full price.
gregor7777
Banned
Quixzlizx said:
Why are you here?
Katana_Strikes
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Snaku said:
No, but a PSP version would.
I hope they do and expand the franchise further. I want another PS3 version.
gregor7777
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Snaku said:
Who knows...I can say at first blush a lot of what I liked about it was the visuals. Gameplay seemed cool too, which would transfer, but like I said I only played the demo.
Not sure if it does anything in the full game that culdn't be done on a lesser platform.
Certainly not if it's a Dead Rising Wii type port.
Quixzlizx said:Because I bought the game and I enjoy playing it
Hmmm, so this thread is only for people who've purchased the game, and not those who are thinking of buying? Didn't know it worked like that.
goddam PS3 threads are hard to stomach sometimes. I know most of you are cool, but WTF is it with some people?
Augemitbutter
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err, no. just no.
buy it for PS3 or choke on FPS and their friends forever.
buy it for PS3 or choke on FPS and their friends forever.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
But if they can make a PSP version, they can easily do a Wii version as well. How would that NOT be more worthwhile doing both? I can see an argument for why a PS2 version won't.Katana_Strikes said:
Paracelsus
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XiaNaphryz said:
Gimme Motion Plus Valkyria Chronicles with hard EX from the start and I'll double dip at day one.
gregor7777 said:
Actually, you said that you liked the demo, but aren't buying the game. And then you started talking about a port. Are you thinking that a port will retail at $40? Buy the game and support it, and I wouldn't care less if you asked Sega to port it to iPhone. I own a 360 and buy the 360-only JRPGS. And I'd probably buy a copy of the 360 version of Valkyria if they did port it just to support HD SRPGs with great gameplay (it's not a long list).
Anyway, I just A-ranked Mission 7. I don't think it was that difficult, just very long. If you don't have a perfect
turn 9
(well, I do... saving mid-battle is the SRPG equivalent of training wheels!)FlashFlooder
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Add one copy sold to those NPD numbers!
gregor7777
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Quixzlizx said:
Pretty sure I didn't bring up talk of a port...
And seeing how one is unlikely, I'll be buying the PS3 version. Just not until it drops in price, or I get rich. One of the two...
And no, I don't believe in paying more of my hard earned money than I need to support the development of similar games.
Live trailer. Susie is involved.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2RdCjLhy8U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2RdCjLhy8U
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
RpgN said:
That is terrible to say the least.
It just reconfirms that the game was a total bomb in the West. Maybe if they took out the anime style and used a gritty style it would have sold more.
Dr. Acid Avatar said:
No, the last thing is having Valkyria being released again in any shape or form since we know there is a very small audience for it, whether it is on the PS3 or the 360.
The best thing Sega can do is to rebrand the "franchise" (since it died in one game). Just use the canvas engine, have a grittier style, and fix some of the problems (like the poor script), and release it mutiplatform day one. Hell, forget doing another SPRG again and just use the engine to make a mutiplatform traditional RPG.
gregor7777
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Llyranor said:
Eh, I'm not a collector so...
If the game gets to what I deem a reasonable price, I'll pick it up.
Anyhow, just wanted to come in and talk about what I thought about the game. I'll leave now.
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
Defuser said:
Anime being slightly above crap confirmed.
Since it would be crap without her.
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
Ahem, and to clarify the numbers in context of these leaked numbers, it seems like the JRPG genre is just dying in the USA.
Unless your game has Kingdom Hearts or Final Fantasy in the title.
Unless your game has Kingdom Hearts or Final Fantasy in the title.
SolidSnakex
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Odin Sphere and Persona 4's numbers are extremely surprising.
Anyway I figure that Sega had to know what they were getting into when they made an SRPG. That's a genre that really isn't popular anywhere.
Anyway I figure that Sega had to know what they were getting into when they made an SRPG. That's a genre that really isn't popular anywhere.
Tylahedras
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God dammit at VC and Folklore... these games deserve so much more...
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
SolidSnakex said:
What shocked me with those numbers is just the fact that they are so low.
There could be so many reasons why JRPG's are dying in the states.
1. Lack of centralized platform
2. Audience gravitating towards western RPG's
3. A rejection of Japanese storytelling and character design
4. Lack of innovation in the genre
5. SquareEnix not leading the genre by pushing the mass of Japanese fans unto new console
6. No mainline Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy to herald the "next generation" of Japanese RPG's
7. More niche games being released in the USA that would never get released ordinarily
SolidSnakex
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Hcoregamer00 said:
If you want a successful JRPG in the US you pretty much have to do three things. You have to make it look like a FF game. It has to be high budget. And it has to have a pretty decent marketing campaign. That's why Lost Odyssey ended up selling the way it did. It was long hyped as being like FF and it looked the part and that's all it needed. The problem is that most JRPG companies can't afford to make a game that costs that much. Of course the flipside of that is that their budgets aren't that big anyway so they really don't rely on the west to help them out in terms of sales. So it works out for them in the end.
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
Kintaro said:
Look at the JRPG sales on the DS, they are as equally bad.
Nose Master
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klee123 said:
Maybe because they've all been awful besides LO?
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
Kintaro said:
Look at a couple of posts above.
It is not the genre that needs to hibernate for a while, it seems to me that SE has to get its act together and release Final Fantasy to usher in the new generation of JRPG's.
Hcoregamer00 said:
Okay, well, looking at them, the DS numbers are much better than the 360/PS3 RPG numbers. No surprise there. Except DQ4, a series that's never been popular here. Where's the Tales of Symphonia 2 numbers? Would be interesting to see.
Numbers without context are hard to judge. If RPGs are doing so terrible awful here, Xseed, Atlus and so forth would stop bringing them over and switch to other games more and more. There's not happening yet, so I don't see the need to panic really. Pitting all hopes on Final Fantasy XIII doesn't seem like a smart thing to do IMO.
I think the "problem" here is just that fans are getting older and Japanese RPG makers are still releasing the stuff they used to years ago while PC devs in the West releasing WRPGs that seem light years ahead (when they are not....it's the same stuff release years ago as well. :lol ).
Slightly on topic, but I still need to play Valkyria Chronicles. :lol Not going to pay full price though. My full price game buying days are just about over.
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
Kintaro said:
I pointed it out earlier, but the Japanese developers need to learn a basic thing.
If there is a good idea used in another game STEAL IT and improve upon it. There are so much innovative stuff that is left in one game or franchise.
Examples
Strategy RPG's
-Valkyria Chronicles: Leveling up a class instead of characters, some free movement, very deep development of history, very unique sense of character
Traditional RPG's
-Chrono Trigger: Multiple endings, no transition screen for battles
-Chrono Cross: Branching storyline, automatic "smart" healing after battles, no leveling up
-Final Fantasy X: Sphere grid level system
-Grandia: Dungeon design that rewards exploration, deep cosmology and lore
-Dragon Quest III: Recruit your own party
-Dragon Quest V: Choose your wife and have kids who will carry on the adventure
Action RPG's
-Seiken Densetsu 3: Multiple lead characters, 6 different storylines.
-Phantasy Star Online/Universe: 4 play co-op, custom characters, branching dialogue
Even if they combined some elements and made a JRPG that had a branching storyline, deep history, deep cosmology, multiple endings, etc. You would have one of the best games out there, and it would likely sell fairly well through word of mouth.
MoxManiac said:
I personally think it's just this. And there's nothing wrong with that. As for Drinky's points, I also wish WRPG makers would incorporate a lot of the finer presentation points from JRPGs.
BTW, where is your next MMO already? :lol
Did VC get a limited run? Would have figured a price drop by now.
Lostconfused
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The P4 numbers are probably the most surprising for me. I mean the install base is there, the quality of the game is top notch the price was lower budget. The only argument that i can see there is that people really dont care about jrpgs anymore.
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
Lostconfused said:
That is something I can disagree with. Persona is a Niche as they can be, it was only until P3 and P4 that the franchise went somewhat "mainstream."
Kintaro said:
VC had a limited print run, looking at the official sales, I bet that the print run was somewhere between 85k and 100k, since it could be found in some places with lots of abundance, while it is impossible to find in other locations.
Frankly, I am happy there was no price collapse.
SolidSnakex
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MoxManiac said:
That's likely a big part of it. It happens whenever a genre is really big for awhile. Fighters were down somewhat last generation outside of Tekken. Now come this gen and look at how well Soul Calibur 4 and SF4 have done. Neither of them really did anything different to make them suddenly sell well. It's just that people are interested in them again.
Lostconfused
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Hcoregamer00 said:
Well judging by sales pretty much anything other than FF or Kingdom Hearts is niche.
Hcoregamer00
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Lostconfused said:
No, the Persona series before number 3 was niche, it was just the third game made it less niche.
SolidSnakex said:
Namco flooded the retail with SC4, and it had a pretty huge price collapse.
Also, Soul Calibur 2 sold exceptionally well when it went mutiplatform, but it lost many sales when it went exclusive on the PS2.
JRPG's overall should not be exclusive this gen, Vesperia, Valkyria, and Star Ocean should be mutiplatform day one.
RurouniZel
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Hcoregamer00 said:
I would emphasis those three (especially the first one x 1000) and add it
8) Over saturation of anime causing a burn out on the aesthetic
9) JRPGs trying to do little things to appeal to the Western Market, but not doing it right thus causing a drawback than a draw in.
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