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Valkyria Chronicles |OT| Beautiful art meets genre-redefining gameplay
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Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
maskrider said:
Ah, I see. It's making more sense as I go through the first battle again for checking through.
McBradders
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Hcoregamer00 said:
If Sega really cared about here they'd have had her battle in some kind of bikini.
How much thought do you guys put into characters likes and potentials?
I find the options too extensive really. I try to have people who like each other in the same squad, but then I usually branch them off so its irrelevent? Do you guys bunch them all together so they both attack at the same time etc?
I think I'm approaching this game too much like Advance Wars, trying to position units according to terrain and enemy position, but it just doesn't work too well. I think I need to stop being so sensitive about people dying as well. Whenever someone is downed I generally get angry and restart rather than rescue and redeploy.
I find the options too extensive really. I try to have people who like each other in the same squad, but then I usually branch them off so its irrelevent? Do you guys bunch them all together so they both attack at the same time etc?
I think I'm approaching this game too much like Advance Wars, trying to position units according to terrain and enemy position, but it just doesn't work too well. I think I need to stop being so sensitive about people dying as well. Whenever someone is downed I generally get angry and restart rather than rescue and redeploy.
I was going to post this last night, but my internet crapped out on me.
Just beat the
last night, and wow, I got through by the skin of my teeth.
Just beat the
Battle for the Bridge
I won the mission with just the tank, two scouts, and an engineer. My tank was nearly destroyed at the end, but I rolled over one of their scouts, used a mortar to take out the two guys by the enemy camp, and Aika ran like hell to the flag to capture it. Got a B, too! IT WAS SO AWESOME
Damn, cd-wow.com is giving me another delay on the UK version ! They said they might have the item on 10/Nov, but just may be, hah !
I have also ordered the US version, hopefully I can get it next Monday, this is the many few games that I bought all major regional releases (joining ICO, SOTC, Siren, Shadow Hearts and Silent Hill).
I have also ordered the US version, hopefully I can get it next Monday, this is the many few games that I bought all major regional releases (joining ICO, SOTC, Siren, Shadow Hearts and Silent Hill).
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kaizoku said:
Yup, I pretty much mostly ignore it as it hampers my all girl squad of girlish glee.
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
McBradders said:
Nah, I will say something completely contrary to my tag (which some of you may find wierd), but I don't believe that showing more skin is sexy.
This applies to real life and in games.
Sega did it right to a certain extent in that they don't demean the female cast by making them wear unrealistic war clothes (like every damn RPG ever made), not only that, they managed to make them look quite good in full military attire. Maybe this may be attributed to the large female development team, but I like this quite a bit.
Selvaria is great the way she is, along with all of the Valkyria cast. The problem that some of the posters of the JPN version alluded to is that she doesn't get that (minor spoiler, hell most of you probably wont consider it a spoiler)
much screen time for character development. Which means that she will be be a cut and dry villain, as opposed to a highly developed nuanced one.
To tell the complete truth I choose my squad solely based on aesthetics and voice. Maybe that makes it slightly harder than if I had chosen based on Potentials and Likes, but so far I never had any unsurmountable problems with any mission so it can't be too bad.kaizoku said:
No real issues here.DarknessTear
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maskrider said:
Yeah, this is your collection of SH games, isn't it?
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h315/DarknessTear/all-my-games.jpg
baphometbones
Member
What a wonderful Friday. Just received my copy of Valkyria from Amazon. They were even nice enough to ship my brand new $60 game in a fucking envelope instead of a box! Oh well, everything is intact and I can't wait to spend some serious time with it tonight or tomorrow.
Dizzy-4U said:
When I love a game (series) and it is within my affordability, I will try to support them.
And BTW, I lost count on how many hours I've spent on Japanese version of VC and its DLCs. The latest save file has 155hours, but I have too many intermediates that I tried a lot of strategies, I guess it is about 180-190 hours.
So I finally made it to chapter 7. Chapter 6 was awesome,
. I know that Alicia gives you an extra CP but I find her a lot weaker compared to my other scouts. I can't wait to level everybody up to lvl 10.
I only had 3 soldiers die on me, and I failed to capture the base during the sandstorm but I still beat it
â Narayan
Member
I love this game. I just love it.
Die Squirrel Die
Member
I do tend to swap my team around based on their potentials. Usually it's to avoid negative terrain based ones, like 'Desert Allergy'. I don't really bother with Likes though or the potentials along those lines, as I haven't noticed it having much effect on characters combo attacking.
Durante said:
My Silent Hill series pic is more thorough, but still not thorough. I love them and I hope the series continues (Shadow Hearts series can be considered dead at the moment).
Anyway, I am still replaying the Japanese VC, seems I will never get tired of it after so many months.
radiantdreamer
Member
kiryogi said:On the otherside of the sea~
Valkyria bikini figures! :lol
Looks like they're based off the beach side chapter
http://www.shopncsx.com/srsenba.aspx
Although, can't say you ever see Edie or Selvaria in said outfits in the game.
Given that this is Sega, if this flies, we're gonna see A LOT more varying Sega Prize figures like Evangelion did.
edit: my mistake. these are SRDX figures...
Most SRDX figures are non-scale and fairly decent quality. Keep an eye out for these, guys.
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
Hmm....chapter 3, just killed
Don't mind being spoiled, but a) are these better than the gallian equivalent, and b) anyone have any other maps they show up on?
Ty the immortal and got his gun.
Don't mind being spoiled, but a) are these better than the gallian equivalent, and b) anyone have any other maps they show up on?
rykomatsu
Member
kiryogi said:
I don't see why you can't compare one component that both types of games have in common (ie. story telling) between each other. Yes one is meant to tell a story, but that doesn't mean story telling on par in a visual novel cannot be incorporated into another game genre.
Venus&Braves has some of the best story telling that I've personally seen that goes above and beyond 90%+ of visual novels I've played and that was an SRPG to begin with. There's no reason why one component (story) of an SRPG can't be compared to another genre which excels at that particular component when it's been shown before that SRPGs can accomplish that at the same quality, or better than most in another genre.
Or by some technicality, do I have to compare VC story presentation to VB story presentation? I don't really see the difference either which way. I'm not comparing something unique to just the SRPG genre.
Please tell me there are more missions like
.
the one in Largo's report where you have a party of 3, no medic or tank and if an ally dies you fail the mission. I thought it was gonna be tough at first but I had so much fun playing it. Also Welkin is an awesome scout, shame you don't get to use him often outside of the tank
archnemesis
Member
They are different, but not always better. IIRC the weapon you picked up has higher damage, but lower accuracy and range.Metroidvania said:
You can find Ace units on most maps in the game.Metroidvania said:
Because 80% of the time it's never going to be on par. Sure, if you compare a crap ADV/Visual Novel with a game story like Valkyria, you're going to get some sense of accomplishment. But to compare the something in the height of a genre dedicated solely on storytelling and characterization with a story in a JRPG is just unrealistic and pointless.rykomatsu said:
You may think differently, and honestly stories by Key are in a niche that if you aren't in to, you're not going to get full enjoyment out of anyway, which is probably why you enjoy the more adventure/drama storyline in Valkyria.
But suggesting the two are comparable you are just going to confuse people who are aware or enjoy Key/Leaf works and fall into a trap based on such statements alone.
I'm always confused by statements like this: some people claim to play RPGs "for the gameplay", others "for the story". To me, story, characters, gameplay, visuals, music, and all the other components of a game make up a whole, and the quality of that whole determines how much I enjoy a game. Sure, different parts of it may be more or less important to different people, but I find it hard to imagine just disregarding some of them completely.icecream said:
That said, I can think of a great many RPGs where the story added significantly to my enjoyment of the game, and Valkyria certainly is one of them.
I don't disagree with that at all. The synthesis of gameplay, cutscene, music, story, characters, and action are key to making a RPG enjoyable.
The point I was contesting to was taking solely the story of a JRPG, and compare it to ADVs/visual novels. Combined and linked with all the other factors mentioned above, a JRPG story can definitely be an enjoyable experience, but to think that most can hold their own in comparison is rather shortsighted.
The point I was contesting to was taking solely the story of a JRPG, and compare it to ADVs/visual novels. Combined and linked with all the other factors mentioned above, a JRPG story can definitely be an enjoyable experience, but to think that most can hold their own in comparison is rather shortsighted.
rykomatsu
Member
icecream said:
If they can't, that's not a problem with the genre, rather, it's a problem with the scenario writer on the development team (and the input or lack thereof they get). The presentation of the story may take on a different method between genres, but the quality of the content should not, and is not dictated by the genre itself.
radiantdreamer
Member
One of the problems with JRPG stories is that it does have to revolve around a game. It becomes very limited on how it develops, as it ultimately, has to lead into gameplay, such as gopher quests.
If you take a standard JRPG, and remove all the in-between gopher quests, you really don't have much left.
And if you switch it around, and turn a visual novel into a JRPG, it doesn't work either, because it doesn't actually "fit" around a game at all.
If you take a standard JRPG, and remove all the in-between gopher quests, you really don't have much left.
And if you switch it around, and turn a visual novel into a JRPG, it doesn't work either, because it doesn't actually "fit" around a game at all.
jesus christ @ mission 7. Sometimes the game is just too annoying.
Now I have to start that mission from the beginning for the 3rd time. So utterly annoying.
It was like turn 9 or something, Selvaria had arrived and butchered my squad to pieces. The one turn where the big tank blew up a wall and had its radiator showing I had ZERO surviving members. I recalled some but then the tank moved forward in its turn and claimed the corpses of yoko and largo. fuck that. turned the thing off. I despise Selvaria I mean wtf! She seems to be able to see all around her and just shoots the shit out of everyone. AAARRGGHH
Now I have to start that mission from the beginning for the 3rd time. So utterly annoying.
Die Squirrel Die
Member
SnakeXs said:
I found it really easy.
I used 3 shocktroopers in the north position and the base camp, then Largo and Alicia in the other positions for more CP per turn, but didn't bother moving them, or the tank. Place the shocktroopers behind the crates at the 1st junction to the east of the Eidelweiss starting position. Once the armoured car reaches that point run the shocktroopers behind it and attack the radiator, getting your shocktroopers to combo attack. Try not to stand too close, and the armoured cars turret machine gun shouldn't attack you before moving, or at least it didn't attack me. I took it down within 3 turns.
rykomatsu
Member
Die Squirrel Die said:
I intercepted the armored car 2 blocks from where it originally was, then chased it down with Edy every turn until my CP was exhausted....I managed to take down the vehicle on the last turn possible (it was sitting in front of the exit gate or w/e it was)
SnakeXs said:
Other than the prologue that probably was the easiest mission once you know where the
armored car
Move up 3 shocktroopers to that junction, hugging the northern wall, 1 on one side, 2 on the other. Once the car is in position, swarm behind it, use combos,
Die Squirrel Die
Member
SnakeXs said:
Not really. I used Rosie, Largo and Alicia and was getting either 5 or 6 per turn, I think it was 6.
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