Those are the best rumors.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
vg247-PS4: new kits shipping now, AMD A10 used as base, final version next summer
- Thread starter Globox_82
- Start date
Those are the best rumors.
I don't think it really "shows" it per se, that's just what some of us are inferring from it.
iamvin22
Industry Verified
again....source????
Oh obviously. Because they must launch a new console because a totally unrelated game has been given a release date.
It all makes sence now.
systemfehler
Member
If Sony did the smart thing and just listened what Naughty Dog wants for the Playstation 4 we are set. Wether it is 2013 or 2014 with the input from Naughty Dog, Santa Monica, etc. I doubt that the Playstation 4 will be inferior to the 720 at all. The only problem is if Tretton communicated their wishes to Japan in the right way...
You think release schedules tell us nothing about plans for the coming year?
I think they do.
I suppose there's Beyond. But apart from that we got nothing on the Sony front for the back end of the year. Maybe there'll be some other long shot game in there too though, such as Team Ico's game.
doniewhalberg
Member
Eh, it could go either way really. The TLoU date definitely gives that knee jerk reaction that it'll be out in 2013, but at the same time, rounding out next year with Beyond and Puppeteer would be (in some minds) stronger than rounding the year out with LBP Karting and PSABR. They did that this year, and this year there was no threat of new consoles, so it's not impossible *shrug* Guess we'll see sometimes between now and June.
Just to add my 2 cents (I like to read this thread more than post haha), I just want them to hit 1080p.
Just to add my 2 cents (I like to read this thread more than post haha), I just want them to hit 1080p.
bigtroyjon
Member
In an ideal world for Sony, God of War and Last of Us aren't both coming out in the 1H 2013. Original plan was probably to have it be out this fall and once it became clear that wasn't going to happen, they pushed it out. Would make sense as to why the fall lacked anything with selling power for them.
If Last of Us is ready to go, doesn't really make sense to hold onto it till fall. Sony's not really in a position to pay a dev team for 6 months to polish a finished game.
If Last of Us is ready to go, doesn't really make sense to hold onto it till fall. Sony's not really in a position to pay a dev team for 6 months to polish a finished game.
Although I love new rumors, where exactly did you hear the bold part? I've heard no such rumors so can I assume that this is your own speculation?
grimshawish
Banned
I have to say am siding for 2013 more and more. The main reason to be doubtful was the 2013 releases, but they are all early in the year.
They need to be in Japan next year imo.
The idea Sony always goes 'last' is ridiculous anyway.
It could be more dependent on the software they have ready than hardware tbh.
They need to be in Japan next year imo.
The idea Sony always goes 'last' is ridiculous anyway.
It could be more dependent on the software they have ready than hardware tbh.
doniewhalberg
Member
Oh dear, all this time I've been thinking simultaneous global release but given their track record, this doesn't seem likely.
It'll be been 3 years since GT5 i'm sure they can get the prologue out.
ElfArmy177
Member
All these rumors and no Facts..... So irritating. I'm surprised we have no hard evidence of most of them yet. The Wii u tablet idea was leaked months before shown
Melchiah
Member
Hopefully nothing meaningful will be bound to the Xbox successor, as I really don't want to buy another system just to play a handful of games I can't play on the system I have. And I'm really not that interested in Microsoft's 1st party offerings.
I personally think the 1st party titles should be the differentiating factors, not some moneyhatted 3rd party games, which only serve the platform holder's interests, not the customers'.
There are lots of facts in these rumors.
We are probably still more than months from the unveiling of either console... so don't worry... some rumours probably already nailed both consoles, but they are currently snowed in because of other 'false' rumours...
Stephen Colbert
Banned
Semiaccurate is reporting that the 20nm Maxwell GPGPU Project Denver with a built in ARM v8 64 bit CPU (just got taped out a few months ago)...
http://semiaccurate.com/2012/12/06/nvidias-maxwell-process-choice/
1. Is targeted to have an 80% performance leap over the new high end 3rd gen Kepler GK114 GPUs that will be out in a few months!
2. Will be out in mass for PCs around March 2014 at the 20nm process.
3. They are producing them at 28nm for unspecified reasons (possibly to be used in a next gen console devkits?)
Also see... http://wccftech.com/nvidia-roadmap-confirms-20nm-maxwell-gpus-2014-kepler-refresh-arrives-1h-2013/
Whatever happens, I really hope to see atleast one next gen console with 3-4 TFlops, and I think Maxwell may offer the best chance of making that happen. Then again, I really don't know much about what AMD has planned for next gen.
http://semiaccurate.com/2012/12/06/nvidias-maxwell-process-choice/
1. Is targeted to have an 80% performance leap over the new high end 3rd gen Kepler GK114 GPUs that will be out in a few months!
2. Will be out in mass for PCs around March 2014 at the 20nm process.
3. They are producing them at 28nm for unspecified reasons (possibly to be used in a next gen console devkits?)
Also see... http://wccftech.com/nvidia-roadmap-confirms-20nm-maxwell-gpus-2014-kepler-refresh-arrives-1h-2013/
Whatever happens, I really hope to see atleast one next gen console with 3-4 TFlops, and I think Maxwell may offer the best chance of making that happen. Then again, I really don't know much about what AMD has planned for next gen.
The first near final PS4 dev kits are supposedly shipping in sometime in January, according to VG247. So we might get some more info on the PS4 several weeks from now.
nvidia are not going to be in either console according to semiaccurate themselves iirc. Awesome news for PC gaming though what with all the trouble nvidia has had over the past year yields wise.
Stephen Colbert
Banned
Any chance AMDs next gen can keep up with Maxwell?
I really hope to see atleast one next gen console with 3-4 TFlops, and I think Maxwell may offer the best chance of making that happen. Then again, I really don't know much about what AMD has planned for next gen.
Semiaccurate is reporting that the 20nm Maxwell GPGPU Project Denver with a built in ARM v8 64 bit CPU (just got taped out a few months ago)...
http://semiaccurate.com/2012/12/06/nvidias-maxwell-process-choice/
1. Is targeted to have an 80% performance leap over the new high end 3rd gen Kepler GK114 GPUs that will be out in a few months!
2. Will be out in mass for PCs around March 2014 at the 20nm process.
3. They are producing them at 28nm for unspecified reasons (possibly to be used in a next gen console devkits?)
Also see... http://wccftech.com/nvidia-roadmap-confirms-20nm-maxwell-gpus-2014-kepler-refresh-arrives-1h-2013/
Denver is meant for mobile devices. You also won't get the whole performance out of maxwell in that context.(that's why it says flops per watt)
There is no way either console will use arm architecture for a gaming purposes. (Except a SoC for the OS)
not in PS4 , Xbox Next or Wii U doesn't mean they will not be in a new console.
Stephen Colbert
Banned
ValveBox?
Apple in a push to get move games onto the OSX platform with its own DirectX API competitor?
You mean openGL?
Stephen Colbert
Banned
That's a shame. Highend PC GPUs will be touching close to 4TFlops in early 2014, atleast Nvidia will.
Would love to see that kind of power in a 2014 console that will have to last till 2020 and beyond, I don't care if it ends up being larger and more power hungry than the Original Xbox in order to make this happen. They can always get the size and power consumption down in future revisions for the few people that care about that sort of thing.
Maybe if the Wii U proves to be as weak a seller as the GameCube, Nintendo will quickly abandon this whole underpowered console crap and come out in 2016 with something more powerful than their competitors as they did with the NES, SNES and N64.
No one really knows. Your guess is as good as mine. But if I had to say something... I'd say unless Sony surprises us (or Microsoft for that matter), we're not going to hit 3-4 tera flops; not at least in the sense that you and I mean. Tera flops are rough guestimates anyway - performance is based on a whole lot of factors working together.
There'll probably be pr material citing theoretical peaks or something. But I'm glad we're not stuck on a tera flop performance some folks were predicting last year.
The HD 7970 is a 4TFLOPs GPU, the HD 8990 that will come out next year (a dual GPU card) is going to be 12TFLOPs.
When it comes to GFLOPs per watt, AMD is already at Maxell's performance, the difference is Nvidia's GFLOPs perform a lot better in real world performance.
Vol5
Member
AMD have Tenerife out early next year (originally leaked as Q4 2012 at the earliest) clocked at 4.5TF. Although these are internal documents.
What are the chances of a downgraded Tenerife core for next-gen?
Stephen Colbert
Banned
Damn, I didn't know that. So the next gen consoles will only be 2.3-2.5 of AMD's Teraflops?
Just makes me want to see the kind of power offered in high end PC gpus in a 2014 console that will have to last till 2020 and beyond even more badly.
Why do people on GAF put so much emphasis on a consoles size and power consumption anyways, consoles aren't portables?
No one cares how big and power hungry a PC is. Who cares if next gen consoles end up being larger and more power hungry than the Original Xbox? They can always get the size and power consumption down in future revisions for the few people that care about that sort of thing.
AranhaHunter
Banned
If PS4 really is Fall 2013, Sony should drop the PS3 to $179-$199 in March for GOWA release. They will have TLOU in May and Beyond in June or April to follow up. Not counting big 3rd party games like GTA IV (most likely May or June) and Bioshock Infinite (March). A price drop in March would be great timing IMHO.
Stephen Colbert
Banned
Over Black Friday, there were tons of places selling the PS3 for $199 with both the Uncharted and Infamous game bundles packed in. I expect to see this throughout the holiday season and beyond.
You can also get the Vita with a memory card, Assasins Creed 3, Playstation All Stars, PS+ which comes with five of the Vitas best exclusives all for $199!
Damn, I didn't know that. So the next gen consoles will only be 2.3-2.5 of AMD's Teraflops?
Just makes me want to see the kind of power offered in high end PC gpus in a 2014 console that will have to last till 2020 and beyond even more badly.
Why do people on GAF put so much emphasis on a consoles size and power consumption anyways, consoles aren't portables?
No one cares how big and power hungry a PC is. Who cares if next gen consoles end up being larger and more power hungry than the Original Xbox? They can always get the size and power consumption down in future revisions for the few people that care about that sort of thing.
The government? stick around, jeff_rigby will post a recap sooner or later.
AranhaHunter
Banned
I'm talking about regular MSRP, not promotions.
Stephen Colbert
Banned
The government? stick around, jeff_rigby will post a recap sooner or later.
Fuck the government. Classify them as PCs as far as the govt is concerned.
I am curious, what exactly does the govt say in regards to the power consumption of gaming consoles?
Stephen Colbert
Banned
The link says those standards are Voluntary. Energy Star cerification isnt required or mandated for a console. I can't think of a single serious gamer that would opt not to buy a next gen console because its not energy star compliant. Hell I don't expect 99% of gamers to even know which consoles are energy star compliant and which aren't.
It would be much more environmentally friendly to release a non-energy star complaint console with the power to satisfy console gamers into 2020, than to release a weak ass console that will force console gamers to constantly upgrade their PC just to keep up with the graphics despite not liking PC gaming anywhere near as much.
doniewhalberg
Member
Serious question? Straight off the top of my head
1. The smaller I keep my bills, the more money I have each month to spend on the 4 year old.
2. After that, the smaller I keep my bills, the more money I have afterwards I have for games.
I'll happily take a powerful console, I just want it to be as efficient as possible. Bit of a durr question man, not all of us are just sitting looking to throw money at our video consoles. I love my games, but I love my family, going out and socialising etc. just as much, I need this shit to be as decently priced as possible.
Stephen Colbert
Banned
The Xbox 360 costs $20.10 an Year to power assuming 2hrs of gameplay every single day (yes somedays you game for 6+hrs but theres probably plenty of days that you dont game at all due to work, family or vacations).
Electricity isn't anywhere near as expensive as you make it sound. At most, a super powerful console would cost you around $10-15 more an year over a much weaker one that uses less power.
Games cost $60. Xbox Live costs $60. Highspeed Internet costs $60 per Month. Next gen consoles will likely cost $399-499. That $10-15 an year is a bargain by comparison and in exchange you are getting far better looking games, with better physics, better AI and you will also not have to spend $400 updating your PCs GPU nearly as quickly because the console will take much longer to start to show its age.
I am not saying the console should waste electricity for no good reason, it should use every watt as efficiently as possible. But gamers dont want to see GPUs held back in power just to get the power consumption down. If they did, Fermi, Kepler and Maxwell wouldn't even exist. Instead, these high watt high end GPUs are making AMD and Nvidia billions of dollars yearly.
doniewhalberg
Member
Hey ,you asked right? You asked why other people have a problem, and I explained why it would be for me at least. That's my reason, and this stuff is expensive when it adds up, and your juggling plenty of other essential things, versus a hobby.
For the record I think internet and games are expensive too. I already have taken considerable steps to keep the my spending on games down so I can put as much into the kid and so on as I can. Internet, I can't do much about. Unnecessary electricity use adds up to money I'd rather put elsewhere. You can't tell me that's not what I think. That's my reasoning, feel how you like about it, you've got your answer for why people feel that way.
Also, it occurs that if you literally want top of the line pc parts, and you're fine with pc wattage, and pc size, you could always, I don't know, buy a PC? Because it'd be PC cost too.
EDIT: Saw you edited and added another paragraph to sound more reasonable, but I've typed my reply, I'm done. Someone else can reply if they want.
Stephen Colbert
Banned
doniewhalberg,
That may be your reasoning, Im just saying its not rational. If money is so tight that you would prefer a far weaker console just to save $10-15 an year on electricity, how can justify spending $400 upgrading to a next gen console?
Gaming is a very expensive hobby. Too expensive to be taken up by anyone that would consider $15 an year too big a price to pay for much better hardware and games. If that was the case, then $400 for a new console, $60 for Xbox Live and $60 per game would all be too big a price to pay as well.
That may be your reasoning, Im just saying its not rational. If money is so tight that you would prefer a far weaker console just to save $10-15 an year on electricity, how can justify spending $400 upgrading to a next gen console?
Gaming is a very expensive hobby. Too expensive to be taken up by anyone that would consider $15 an year too big a price to pay for much better hardware and games. If that was the case, then $400 for a new console, $60 for Xbox Live and $60 per game would all be too big a price to pay as well.
systemfehler
Member
My speculation:
130W GPU (AMD HD8xxx @ 2.5 TFlops)
25W CPU (4 Jaguar Cores @ 2GHz)
45W 4GB (G)DDR(4,5) RAM, Drive, etc.
------------------------------------------
200W
Would mean a console I could live with, probably doing around 3+ TFlops depending on the CPU. Everything below 2Tflops would be a disappointment to me because if you go current-tech you have to launch earlier than late 2013 early 2014, especially if you want to beat MS in at least some parts of the world.
130W GPU (AMD HD8xxx @ 2.5 TFlops)
25W CPU (4 Jaguar Cores @ 2GHz)
45W 4GB (G)DDR(4,5) RAM, Drive, etc.
------------------------------------------
200W
Would mean a console I could live with, probably doing around 3+ TFlops depending on the CPU. Everything below 2Tflops would be a disappointment to me because if you go current-tech you have to launch earlier than late 2013 early 2014, especially if you want to beat MS in at least some parts of the world.
Stephen Colbert
Banned
Yep. I really think 3+ TFlops is the minimum I could live with as well, and I think it's more than doable by end of 2013 and even more so for any console that doesn't launch till 2014.
I would far prefer they shoot for a 4TFlop 300+W console though, fuck voluntary energy star compliance.
CPU might need a few more watts if it has a GPU in there for GPGPU tasks, and reduce the GPU accordingly. Or do you ink they could get all that on one chip?
Agreed. If not 3+, 2.5 TF will put us in a fantastic middle ground. If they end up going for conservative machines, I would hope the prices would reflect it. The more people with these machines in hand, the better.