New article from Charlie
http://semiaccurate.com/2012/12/10/confused-about-xbox-next-and-ps4-code-names/
http://semiaccurate.com/2012/12/10/confused-about-xbox-next-and-ps4-code-names/
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vg247-PS4: new kits shipping now, AMD A10 used as base, final version next summer
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That report flatly contradicts the 'deleted' info posted here about the schedules of each.Tallshortman
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First off, not even close to $6 billion but nice try. That is exactly hyperbole but apparently you don't actually understand what that is. Second, they have several very to fairly profitable divisions so bleeding out of every orifice is exactly hyperbole, but once again you apparently don't actually know the definition of the word.
It's not fact, but don't let your ignorance get in the way of the facts!
REMEMBER CITADEL
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They were not. The first price cut occurred in calendar Q3 of 2007, the 60 GB model was discontinued and got marked down to $499, and the 80 GB model was introduced at $599. The removal of hardware BC decreased the manufacturing costs slightly, but PS3 hardware remained firmly in the red. The next adjustment happened in the very next quarter, when the 40 GB model was introduced at $399, and the 80 GB model went down to $499. That was all years before the slim, which was introduced in Q3 of 2009 at $299. Then there was another cut in Q3 of 2011 which brought the 160 GB slim down to $249. The next big cost-cutting revision launched only a couple of months ago. Sony is now focused on profitability, yes, but that hasn't been the case for many years. There's nothing to agree or disagree on here, those are simple, easily verifiable facts.
That's been discussed many times before. Direct ROI is still relatively small (it would be significantly larger had RRoD not happened), but Xbox is very important to Microsoft strategically and it's opened many new avenues for future exploitation. And now they're even making money on it, which is just a bonus. We're talking about Microsoft here, the company whose biggest products didn't really reach their full potential until the third revision. They have a history of putting strong support behind products which are not necessarily profitable, but are deemed strategically important.
Wait, what? So now we are talking about PS4 in spring or fall 2014? That makes sense only if Microsoft delays too. Sony can survive a few months of Microsoft head start, but not almost a whole year. That would (once again) result in a massive loss of market share.
Late 2014 is better for both of them because as much as NeoGaf wants a new console right now most of the world are still happy with PS3 & Xbox 360 level graphics & don't see much reason for upgrading right now.
Unless you are an elected representative of " the rest of the world" you are simply stating your own personal opinion and presenting it as general consensus. And no, not everyone is happy. There are many many gamers out there craving next gen, specially when present gen struggles to run new games properly (Far Cry 3 being a fine example of poor performance).
-Pyromaniac-
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the longer you wait to have your new stuff out, the higher the potential that people move on from it onto something else. You want your stuff out BEFORE people are tired/sick of your console, so if they do want to move on, it's to your next hot thang and not something else they can easily spend 400 bucks on and call it a day.
This. You can see more and more people switching to PC gaming because they are sick and tired of waiting for next gen.
-Pyromaniac-
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I was referring to getting an ipad lol but there's that too. Same danger if Sony releases a while after MS, people will move onto the next xbox.
SniperHunter
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yea PS4 needs to come out ASAP, PS3 is an old old machine. I just bought Counterstrike GO for PC and difference between the PS3 and PC version is night and day!! I was blown away by the graphics and the smooth 60 FPS gameplay. And don't even get me started on Planetside 2, Battlefield 3 on ultra or Far Cry 3 XD
Why are you acting like such a mental patient?
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/04/10/sony_doubles_loss/
BoboBrazil
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Launching in Spring is always a bad idea. They really need to launch Fall 2013, even if supply is very limited to only a few hundred thousand units.
I would think moving to 2014 wouldn't make much of a difference since most of the tech expected to launch late 2013 or 2014 wouldn't be ideal or cost efficient for a game console where yields and losses are a concern. Same reason why if the 720 or ps4 were to launch ~6 months after the other console, it wouldn't make any difference in how powerful the system would be.
Evolution_1ne
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Where at all did he say the hardware became profitable? Cheaper to manufacture=/=profitable. They were in fact cheaper to manufacture but not profitable and the first price cut wasn't a price cut at all, the ps3 launched with 2 skus one was 599 and the other 499, how can making the price EXACTLY what it was at launch be considered a price cut? by that logic the 360 had just as many price cuts as the PS3
Tallshortman
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Why are you avoiding the main point? I will admit I only remembered the pre-extra tax financials thus around 3 billion in losses but my main point is they have plenty of profitable divisions, gaming being one of them, and aren't losing money from every place. But yes, please continue with your poor attempts at ad hominen.
Chris23235
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deleted, Sony's results for 2011 were already posted
I accept your apology. It's always nice to see someone admit their mistakes and retract their insults.
Tallshortman
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Where did I insult you? If you consider me saying you don't seem to understand hyperbole that still holds true, not an insult though.
Tallshortman
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I'm glad you finally admitted you're wrong. That's very mature of you.
You can't just assume PS4 will be ready when the next Xbox is. Right now everything seems points to Sony being behind Microsoft in their next gen console development
You really shouldn't be surprised considering the thread you're posting in. =p
Actually as gofreak and I have pointed out before, one of the more recent rumors indicated that Sony was actually ahead of MS despite delays.
Yep you got it. I was wrong. Instead of $6 billion it was $6.4 billion. Sony isn't just bleeding out of every orifice. They're opening some new ones.
That statement totally contradicts diminishing console and software sales worldwide.
I said most & I stick by it the PS3 & Xbox 360 hasn't burnt out enough that people will be rushing to the store in 2013 for a PS4 or Xbox Next unless they somehow come out at around the same price as a PS3 /Xbox 360 today & have a really good 'it factor' that the Xbox 360 & PS3 don't have. due to the PS3 & Xbox 360 having upgrade-able FW internet connection & HD graphics already Next Gen is going to be a hard sell when it come to the masses & as long as PS3/Xbox 360 get GTA , COD ,Madden & other sports games next year everyday people are not going to feel like they need new consoles.
Syphon Filter
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if sony gives ms even 6 months headstart they are severely screwed.MS is a lot more experienced now.
Really because I didn't see the Wii U games light up the charts.
Syphon Filter
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new consoles were always a tough sell to masses.you get them later in the cycle.with that logic then when xbox got gta SA and madden people didnt buy 369 which wasnt true.
Tallshortman
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Why are you getting so mad? Like you said, it's okay to be wrong.
Once again, you didn't actually respond to what I said and went off on a tangent. Calm down man!
I'll make it easy for you this time, no need to thank me.
This is a bit premature when we don't even know what MS and Sony will be offering with the PS4/720. Unless things have changed drastically in the last year+, the average selling price of current consoles was ~$300. Assuming the base price for next gen is $400, I don't think asking $100 more is too much for vastly improved graphics and probably features.
Also the term "HD graphics" is absolutely meaningless. The PS360 and Wii-U all feature HD graphics but should look inferior to what we see from the PS4 and 720 at launch.
I think you're missing his point.
jeff_rigby
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Most likely it's from HDinfo.com
If the AMD stockholder's conference call is true + Sweetvar26's Jaguar CPU then the base design is either: Kabini (28nm 2013), Samara (20nm GNB 2013), Pennar (20nm GNB). I'm a little concerned that HDINFO put Thebe and Kryptos on the same line with Richland as those are all higher power chips without Jaguar cores. So to be on the safe side it could be a Richland base design but without Jaguar cores?.
AMD Richland APU:
According to the roadmap, AMD Richland APU would not feature the steamroller core architecture but instead would be based on the current generation x86 Piledriver core architecture which is currently being used within the recently launched Trinity APUs. Along with it, ARM cores would also be fused on the same die for AMD’s HSA (Heterogeneous System Architecture) enhancements. The APUs would remain compatible with the FM2 socket boards and would be include the latest Radeon Cores 2.0 which would presumable fall under the HD 8000 series (Sea Islands) specs. The AMD Richland APU would be the mainstream/performance entry level chips and would launch around mid-2013.
AMD Kabini (Low Power) APU:
In addition to the mainstream APUs, AMD is also expected to unveil the 2nd generation low power Kabini APU which would be updated with x86 Jaguar cores. The chip has already been taped out and is expected to debut in 1H of 2013. The chip would feature the PCH fused on its die making it a true SOC (System on chip) which doesn’t needs to rely on external controllers. In addition, the new HSA features would also be introduced in Kabini and Tamesh 28nm ULP (Ultra Low Power) APUs. The Kabini APUs fall under AMD’s “Essential APU” branding scheme.
gundamkyoukai
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And he is also missing Tallshortman point also .
Sony is losing allot of money but that is from 2 or 3 divisions of the company ( TV divisions strikes again lol )
So yes Sony losing allot but that don't mean it's from every orifice of the company just means the certain divisions losing huge amounts .
Which truth be told is easier to fix compare to every divisions losing money .
gaming_noob
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Megaton news! 2013 is going to be very fun to watch.
gundamkyoukai
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Do you mean there money issues or are you talking about hardware ones .
Since it seem there production is behind and i remember you saying in another thread that devs \pubs have less of a idea what PS4 is .
pharmboy044
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So there's supposed to be an announcement in February?
I see them kind of making two separate arguments. Tallshortman seemed to get on the defensive over the amount of money Sony was losing while also pointing out that the company does have some profitable divisions. Zabka seems to be strictly pointing out how much Sony is losing, maybe insinuating that it doesn't matter what profits the other divisions are bringing in if the the company as a whole is still bleeding profusely.
Who knows, I'm more into tech than finances, but the bleeding needs to stop.
I agree, but I wonder if even a year delay would do much for their financial situation.
Napalm_Frank
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Waiting for too long would probably hurt them more in the long run so it's a simple choise depending what their strategy for next gen is.
I feel they would be in worse trouble if they waited another year and gave MS that early of a head start and Nintendo a 2nd year alone with the Wii U.
Tallshortman
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How was I being defensive? I never said they weren't in the red and even said my first comment about the total amount they were losing was from my memory of reading projections before the extra tax news came out.
My point the whole time was that the original post about Sony "bleeding from every orifice" was absolute hyperbole because they have several profitable divisions.
-Pyromaniac-
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what issues?
And they pretty much have no choice but to launch in 2013, competitively speaking.
What makes you think that if they release in 2013 that it'll be half baked?
EDIT: can I just add that I hate reading the word hyperbole because every time I do I imagine the person saying it pronounces it wrong and it makes me cringe.
R
Rösti
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Haven't heard of anything like so, but Sony's Q3 FY2012 Earnings Announcement will happen in late January or early February. The PlayStation Meeting 2011 was held on the 27th of January, so there might be something for them to announce. Sony (Electronics Inc.) has also a big presence at 2013 International CES (January 8 - 11), so they could start teasing very soon. My bet though is on a smaller PlayStation Meeting with more information coming at GDC in March for a full reveal at E3.
Well it is almost confirmed that the next xbox is coming in 2013. Sony being Sony, they might decide that they want to be the first to reach market. This could also happen the other way round, but in both cases, the consumer loses and we have new consoles a little early. Look at recent jeff_rigby for context.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I considered this:
defensive with a knee jerk reaction over semantics. You're correct that Sony isn't bleeding from every orifice, which I assume you mean as losing money on every division? Even with this being true, again it doesn't really matter what profits those divisions bring in if the company is still losing $6 billion as a whole. At least that's what I gathered from your conversation with him.
I hate when people do this.
PC (insert game here) is better looking than PS3 (insert same game here)
Really, the PC version? TELL ME MORE.
Honestly though it is getting the point, imo, where consoles are becoming seriously dated and are perhaps 'holding back', i use the term very very loosely, many PC games (i wont say ports since most of these games are developed on the "PC"s anyway)
Been playing quite a bit of FIFA13 lately and the character models, animations and lack of facial expressions is beginning to seem grating since we should be seeing far beyond what we are at the moment. For example, when a player is sprinting you should really being seeing the strain in his facial expressions. This just being one example.
Further to that I'd have to point out that if the next generation of consoles, and no i don't consider the wii u in that category, do not achieve multiplat parity with high end PC systems then i wont be jumping in. Sure that parity could/would last for only a month but at least they would be launching on the right foot. Off the shelf parts mean not much room is left for optimization usually - certainly not as much as completely bespoke designs
Off my head the key factors for any console to survive the next gen, again imo, are:
Day 1 ability to utilize mobile apps/games (utilize a separate cheap ram pool to keep these running in the background if necessary)
A focus on achieving highest possible bandwidth between CPU, GPU and RAM (the parts might be off the shelf but the normal PC design bottlenecks should be easily, yes easily, avoidable when you're designing your own board). Does not matter how it's achieved (stacking etc.) just that it is achieved.
Yes only two things and whomever achieves those 2 things is the one i'll be purchasing. If no company does then i wont be spending/wasting my time and money on them since even ultrabooks can be used as semi-decent gaming setups these days
It's been more than 10yrs since these companies last developed, not released, a console. Time to shape up or ship out.
dragonelite
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So current gen arent shit now?