VGLeaks: First look as Durango XDK (always connected, kinect required, must install)
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Marty Chinn
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Devs organize the file structure on the disc. So yes, you need to tell the devs.
Exclusives? A few I believe. Obviously not all 50 but the numbers got quite high.
MGS4 was 30GB.
I have had Live online for 10 years now....
My internet has been down a total of 2 days in that time and Live was down about 12-18 hours once if I remember correctly.
now that said I assume they will have a method in place to play games offline ... maybe even just for short periods of down time.
My internet has been down a total of 2 days in that time and Live was down about 12-18 hours once if I remember correctly.
now that said I assume they will have a method in place to play games offline ... maybe even just for short periods of down time.
whoTF does not have internet these days but can afford a $400 game machine?
Someone who doesn't desire to have the internet for their machines or desktop computers? People who have just moved and haven't set it up yet? Someone who lives in area where internet access isn't available. People who don't want to connect online at all. Someone who lives in area where communication systems are down after an earthquake or another natural event. The Amish (you only asked who can afford it).
so is your tv, microwave, stereo, phone charger
alert the media!
it's in LOW power mode
After a while all these things add up for usage and cost. It is a nice feature, but I can understand why some would wish for a no-power mode without having to unplug it.
Maximilian Kolbe
Member
Well publisher can sell something like game pass(like online pass) in marketplace
Then you can still buy used games,but also need buy game pass,it may also mean most used game price will dropped a lot
XtremeXpider
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I don't get your point, of course devs needs disc structure. It don't mean the dev will get the data from disc.
The low-power mode on these consoles is going to consume at max 5W, which is like... 40 cents a month. Hardly anything to get worried about
Mr.Wreckless
Banned
And most of it was uncompressed sound. Not really high on the list of things gamers want.
I can assure you there was 0 uncompressed video.
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If the native resolution is going to be 1080p next gen then video size is going to boom up and yes there are people, me, who want uncompressed video. I definitely want higher audio as well.
Mr.Wreckless
Banned
Well make that sound. I know Kojima made a huge deal out of that and he said it took up a lot of space.
I love these statements.
Because ISP's worldwide are in a lot worse shape then America.
Yeah uncompressed sound is much more realistic, and its a actual nice feature, 50MB/s video on the other hand
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Fess
Member
Since you don't have to wait for installs there will be no hassle to delete games and install new ones.
The low-power mode on these consoles is going to consume at max 5W, which is like... 40 cents a month. Hardly anything to get worried about
But but but thats 5 dollars a year.
The low-power mode on these consoles is going to consume at max 5W, which is like... 40 cents a month. Hardly anything to get worried about
On it's own no, but again as I said all those things add up and some people like to save even that little amount per device because the price eventually adds up. If someone can save $60 USD a year by turning off electronic devices and switching off lights, well that's a game for them to buy and I'm not going to say that's worthless to them.
More effort than I'll ever bloody do, but I know such people exist and have websites dedicated to counting such things.
Marty Chinn
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I'm just saying that there will need to be work on the dev side of order of files to install, how much is enough to make the game work, avoiding needing to load more and so forth. It's not just some automatic thing that happens from an OS/system point of view. Let's say you have an open world game where you go anywhere. Now you can't install files in a linear fashion because you have to base it on what data is needed. You can copy files as you go, but that assumes a streaming game data from the disc for at least the first play through and then needing to make sure you don't tie up the file access by installing other files when you need to grab the file that you need. I'm really curious how this is going to work out not only for MS, but for Sony as well. At any rate, I'm doubting it will be as automated from a developer standpoint as the bulletpoint makes it sound.
This is a bit disingenuous, there will be wait, but that wait will only be for the time it takes for the first 'area' to get loaded onto the HDD/ram.
Now granted you cannot go to area's that haven't been loaded from the disc so the initial wait may be bigger then people predict.
Also the size of the opening level would matter as well.
That does raise an interesting point in regards to how open world games will be handled.
XtremeXpider
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I'm not saying it will be automated for devs, I'm saying I think it will be automated for the user, the gamer, us.
Why not? Higher quality audio and videos are higher quality audio and video. They add to the experience.
Maximilian Kolbe
Member
Anyone know is Halo2 PC can play while installing and if so,how long it need to wait?
You are completely correct, and I was very shortsighted in that statement. Thanks for your post, you reminded me that Microsoft would be absolutely decimating a lot of the market if they decided to go that route. AKA, always on is probably going to be an option. DUH. I blame the beers that I've had tonight.
Why would you do that? There doesn't appear to be bc.
Fess
Member
The time it takes for all the logos and intro movies to show plus showing the title screen and going through the start menu, choosing character/name/car/map/whatever will probably be enough to hide the actual game/level install.
XtremeXpider
Member
Source? There is no info about BC yet.
Mr.Wreckless
Banned
Point being nobody was excited about all the extra space a BD gives because of uncompressed audio. People want larger levels, better textures, etc..... The majority of gamers are listening to these games through the speakers that came with the tv, uncompressed sound isnt really going to make or break their experience.
Thats very dependent on a lot of things, for one the intros and what not take up bandwidth how much is dependent on the game.
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
The HDD thing would be nice it if means that games preload on the Durango Cache making levels larger and more seamless, but reading these comments make me think that I read it differently than 99% of the people here.
XtremeXpider
Member
You must read all info about Durango with negativity filter, this is the rule xD
Don't get your hopes up.
Xbox Live profile(s), Videos, Music, Apps, and if there is BC then my games and their saves.
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
Durango will probably just emulate 360 games like that 360 emulates xbox games and only some games will get BC profiles so to speak.
The Xbox Live profiles will need to be migrated over XBL, Apps and BC won't work, and as for the Music and Videos, you may be able to transfer those over your network.
XtremeXpider
Member
We have some info about BC (from 2010 leaked doc), and we don't have any new news about it. Why we must assume the worse? Why not to wait before assuming things?
EDIT: I don't know if XBLA games are allowed for low level programming, if most XBLA games have been developed with XNA (I don't know), I guess it is not hard to emulate it.
In other wise, everything will have to be online and I can't just simply transfer my stuff HDD to HDD. Saves time, at least to me it does.
Fess
Member
It is, but clever devs will probably have no problem hiding the install time behind all those logos, videos, animations and menus. It's pretty much the exact thing Sony talked about with downloadable titles, why wait for 20 levels to load until being able to play when the first data you'll need is just the title screen?
XtremeXpider
Member
How do you know that there is not BC? Apps are not an issue, there will be new versions.
Marty Chinn
Member
Games are often already doing loading during those logos though.
Yeah, fwiw.
You can do (assuming my maths is correct) 900MB / 1 minute 40 seconds off 6x CAV blu-ray drive (average 9MB/s) .
Karak
Member
Easily. Without any problems. Streaming services already handle the same thing and don't incorporate half of what a local hardware driven system would offer. Streaming of course, which is different, but I mean hiding it(buffer with a logo). They already work around issues like this. Most games don't just throw you into a major scene anyway. A creation scene, title screen, opening screen, offers enough time to buffer a large amount.
Blu-ray 1x: 36Mbps / 4.5MBps
Blu-ray 2x: 72Mbp / 8MBps
Blu-ray 3x: 108Mbps / 13.5MBps
Blu-ray 4x: 144MBps / 18MBps
Maximilian Kolbe
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9MB?wasn't that's 2x BD speed?