Concise and to the point. I like it.
I'm stuck between scenario 1 and 2, believing one, but not completely sold yet. Won't be crushed if it turns out true, though I would likely game more on my PS4, then I would on my Next-Box.
VGLeaks: First look as Durango XDK (always connected, kinect required, must install)
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Concise and to the point. I like it.
I'm stuck between scenario 1 and 2, believing one, but not completely sold yet. Won't be crushed if it turns out true, though I would likely game more on my PS4, then I would on my Next-Box.
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Baconsammy
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That was certainly an interesting edit of what I said. =)
You've never been one to mince words!
Syphon Filter
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When sony changed to gddr 5 how did they know what MS had?
XtremeXpider
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But it doesn't apply to Microsoft I guess?
THE:MILKMAN
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AFAIK, Sony never changed to GDDR5. Only the amount changed 2GB>4GB>8GB.
Please don't take things out of context. 7970 is probably there to emulate missing DMEs and missing eSRAM.
I was only having a bit of fun, and only because of how often some of you like to unfairly criticize or accuse the guy. =p
Also I don't think DF have anything on the line TBH, they were wrong with the leaks in one of the recently released platforms. Don't remember if it was the 3DS, PSV, or Wii-U, but nothing would change if they were wrong with the PS4 or Durango.
They probably didn't actually know, but the rumors have been consistent enough for Sony to take notice.
The memory change in the PS4 is probaby very similar to the memory change we saw with the 360. The only reason why Sony were able to include 8GBs of memory in the PS4 is likely because the dev kits were already equipped to handle that much memory, even if they originally planned to have 4GBs in the retail unit. This same thing happened in the 360 when they went from 256MB of memory to 512MB.
We won't be seeing any kind of similar changes with Durango.
I remember reading something about a PS4 devkit using a 7950 with custom firmware (probably to disable some CUs and have custom clocks), so perhaps they did something similar for a Nextbox's devkit. Like mentioned before, the 7900 series was released first and by that time it was already set in stone that both MS and Sony were going for a GCN-based GPU.
CrunchinJelly
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Hmmm
So May reveal?
So May reveal?
Tripp Daily
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Paul Thurott says on twitter the xbox announcement has been pushed back a month. :/
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jeff_rigby
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Syphon Filter
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lol MS trollin and torturing.
SniperHunter
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You cant fit a 7970 in a console man...the card is huge and I bought mine for $400. Not to mention thepower draw and the heat
Adding more RAM does not have the same consequences as changing the CPU/GPU or changing the type of RAM. Or making any changes to the architecture for that matter. People really need to stop equating a change in RAM module sizes to making a last minute GPU change as if they're both equally likely. Because they're not. I'll admit that stranger things have happened in this industry but to latch on to such a notion is only setting yourself up for disappointment.
Just another fantasyland rumor paraded around by people who are having an extra difficult time accepting the leaks.
The rumoured date was April so I guess so. More importantly why? I can only make an educated guess that Microsoft want to do a lot of live demos of games and features, and maybe they are not ready just yet.
The Wise Old Man
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Well no more youporn sessions on the 360 for me I guess.
Alx
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Oh my, two whole months to endure the current madness ? I think I'll go on a Neogaf blackout...
Miles Quaritch
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Yep. Annoying as the delay is, better to delay than have a poor unveiling.
SniperHunter
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THE:MILKMAN
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Can Crusher
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Event delay?
Geez, MS is really riding the bad rumors train full force.
Geez, MS is really riding the bad rumors train full force.
Syphon Filter
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was he the one that said april in the first place? wasn't it some cvg guy?
That's what I'm thinking as well. Still disappointing if true.
PS4 is also going to be always online and I honestly wouldn't be surprised if installs were required for them as well. IIRC during the PS4 reveal they already announced that we'll be able to play our games while they install, they just didn't mention being a requirement. If both are using blu-ray drives, they both may go with this method to work around the drive speed issues.
Also while I agree that Kinect required to work sucks, that doesn't mean you have to use it to use the machine or games.
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It's not like the madness would stop after the reveal. If anything, it'll just provide more ammo for the warriors. =p
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Well if they want the ability to say "running on actual Xbox 720 hardware..", then it has to be running on the beta kits with the real APU. If hey are having issues getting the kit to 3rd parties, then they would have to wait or not show much.
gaming_noob
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A delay could only mean better things to come. Still sucks for us though.
THE:MILKMAN
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If the delay for the reveal is true then I can't see it being anything more than what the 360 had. Can't see the point of showing much so close to E3.
"Kinect, start next-gen."
Unveil the console a couple of weeks before E3, and then do the full unveiling there. It could happen.
Can Crusher
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Delaying an event at this point doesn't seem like a good thing at all. How long can it possibly take to "fake" a demonstration. They did it with Kinect so I don't see why they are shy of getting their feet wet now.
Maybe they realized what they have isn't enough.
Maybe they realized what they have isn't enough.
Oh I understand Occam's Razor, but the fundamental assumption here is that the leaked documents are correct. They either are, or they are not (and they can be correct to varying degrees). Assuming that they are is no fewer assumptions in any way than assuming that they are not (correct) you just believe there is more evidence to support them.
Regardless, I understand from your previous contributions to this thread where you stand. I've only said I'm not 100% in agreement with you yet.
I could be wrong, and will lose no sleep over it, so we can leave it at that. No winners or losers today, just different opinions. And seriously, we don't even differ that much here.
THE:MILKMAN
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The 360 reveal was pretty barebones outside of a 5 second glimpse of the 360 itself. They could do that again, but I feel it would be pointless.
Alx
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I'd rather have a good old console war with live ammo than the current battle of speculation, rumor and crazy exagerations.
If anything they realized their brand is so embedded into the game at this point that they don't have to show a controller in February.
Is anyone here really going to lose interest in the next Xbox because they're pulling back the curtain in May instead?
SuperEpicGuy
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I'm really happy that it's always online, ought to cripple its sales considerably. Now I just hope its specs arent much worse than the ps4 so that we can get better quality games.
Tripp Daily
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I still think that they are balancing "giving Sony this time to parade around alone" with "wanting to announce with the least amount of time to release". I really believe MS just wants to announce as late as possible so that they can better carry the excitement and momentum into the release.
yea both machines are going to have very similar requirements and features so all the hate toward Durango right now will be tempered as people realize it is just NEXT GEN and the future of gaming
GTFO :lol
BTW what was said by bkilian on B3D regarding always online
Captain Tuttle
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Interesting stuff, thanks for posting it.
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I can be as wrong as anyone. I'm on record now, we can all laugh at my logic and conclusions in two months
Didn't the PS3 devkits have dual dual (SLI) Geforce 6800 Ultras back in the day leading to MGS4 and the like?
I honestly feel like Microsoft are going to suprise some people with the 720. I just feel people are jumping to conclusions too quickly in regards to the leaked specs and people acting like the PS4 is like twice as powerful as the 720 or something, well i doubt that greatly.
If the PS4 was so much better then why did Sony feel the need to double its ram to 'match Microsofts console' as EDGE put it?, also i'm sorry but there would of been internal leaks and people being paid off etc from both companys over the development years and both Sony and Microsoft will of known where both consoles were power wise imo, its the reason why the 2 main consoles are always pretty close power wise every gen.
I expect Microsoft to blow us away when they show the console and games for the first time, Microsoft may have a slightly deluded viewpoint in terms of kinect but they know what they are doing, they are not stupid.
If the PS4 was so much better then why did Sony feel the need to double its ram to 'match Microsofts console' as EDGE put it?, also i'm sorry but there would of been internal leaks and people being paid off etc from both companys over the development years and both Sony and Microsoft will of known where both consoles were power wise imo, its the reason why the 2 main consoles are always pretty close power wise every gen.
I expect Microsoft to blow us away when they show the console and games for the first time, Microsoft may have a slightly deluded viewpoint in terms of kinect but they know what they are doing, they are not stupid.
No its the usual 8-10x power jump we usualy get, its just that this time there has been a lot longer between gens, 8 years compared to the usual 5 years.
Bad joke, right?
Yeah, there's even an early MGS4 video around the net, which demonstrated the game running on these early dev kits.
Miles Quaritch
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All sounds very impressive if it works out.
Did you actually read the info in post one?
"Always connected" can be good or bad depending on what it actually means. Having a console that's always connected so that it can download updates, patches, demos etc. while it's off (in its low power state mode) is great for gamers. That's what the document in post one says, but that's also all it says: -
Nowhere does it say that the console MUST be connected to the Internet in order for it to function, or in order for you to launch a game. That's a rumour, but it could be true, it could be false, it could simply be a misunderstanding of what "always connected" means - we just don't know.
They took a big risk with Kinect, but I don't think they're "deluded". 1 in 3 Xbox 360 owners has one. All they have to do is get the balance right in terms of their target market and they'll have a console that lives up to the "Wii U" name better than the Wii U does. Focussing largely on the hardcore - or at least making sure that they're well catered for - is a good strategy at launch, because they're the people that are likely to pay £300+ for a system that only has a handful of games available for it - that's why Sony are saying what they're saying with the PS4 - but they both need to have a console that appeals to all gamers to succeed and Kinect is a big part of that.RetroStu said:
Baconsammy
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They would have actually had to announce an event to have delayed an event, though.
Oh well, one less negative rumor.