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[Satchel]

I think it's more than likely and that there's a reason for a lack of more concrete details due to MS' lockdown on leaks. I just hope that the Yukon paper overview, with its explicit inclusion of the PPC Xenon chipset for BC, is a part of the final 'Box. Certainly, with plans like that in place so long ago, and MS owning that piece and working with AMD to integrate it for compatibility with the new graphics and memory subsystem parts, they could leverage it as a powerful co-processor when not engaged in BC use.

ok, this post made me tight in the pants

 

[Maximilian Kolbe]

I'm not sure is thuway serious
Again like i said,unless they don't have playable demo at E3 or going 2014 release,it can't be have noticeable downgrade between E3 and release date

 

[SniperHunter]

Didn't the PS3 devkits have dual dual (SLI) Geforce 6800 Ultras back in the day leading to MGS4 and the like?

nvidia lied/made false promises or sony was in a rush and got a shitty chip. No one knows the exact details

 

[dragonelite]

nvidia lied/made false promises or sony was in a rush and got a shitty chip. No one knows the exact details

I always though this was the reason.

 

[SniperHunter]

I always though this was the reason.

na...you should listen to their CEO spouting so much BS at their E3 2005 conference. I mean there is a reason why Sony isn't working with nvidia again. Offtopic sry

 

[Reiko]

I'm not sure is thuway serious
Again like i said,unless they don't have playable demo at E3 or going 2014 release,it can't be have noticeable downgrade between E3 and release date

The logic behind having a 7970 for alpha and then a downgrade to a 1.2TF for beta is humorous.

lol

 

[i-Lo]

BTW what was said by bkilian on B3D regarding always online

I read that and the part about compute for single player games although revolutionary fundamentally alters how the game played and perceived. Things can fall apart very quickly if internet connection is lost.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

I'm not sure is thuway serious
Again like i said,unless they don't have playable demo at E3 or going 2014 release,it can't be have noticeable downgrade between E3 and release date

If you remember back at E3 2005, Microsoft was showing the 360 launch games on PowerPC Mac's and were making promises of 720P 4XAA for every game and then 600P-gate happened.

On another note...does anyone else find it weird that all aspects of the Durango devkit have been freely leaked except what exact GPU is in there?

This puzzles me.

 

[Maximilian Kolbe]

If you remember back at E3 2005, Microsoft was showing the 360 launch games on PowerPC Mac's and were making promises of 720P 4XAA for every game and then 600P-gate happened.

On another note...does anyone else find it weird that all aspects of the Durango devkit have been freely leaked except what exact GPU is in there?

This puzzles me.

They problem is many media played 360 games at E3 2005,he act like no one can play Durango games at this year E3,plus Apple G5 wasn't that powerful like from 7970 to 1.2TF GPU

 

[Reiko]

If you remember back at E3 2005, Microsoft was showing the 360 launch games on PowerPC Mac's and were making promises of 720P 4XAA for every game and then 600P-gate happened.

On another note...does anyone else find it weird that all aspects of the Durango devkit have been freely leaked except what exact GPU is in there?

This puzzles me.

I also remember Gears of War at E3 2005 running pretty choppy on that devkit.

 

[SniperHunter]

I also remember Gears of War at E3 2005 running pretty choppy on that devkit.

that video also featured dynamic lighting which was removed from the engine (the burning car was lighting up the environment)

 

[Bsigg12]

The delay sounds like bad news. Maybe the focus test audience didnt like what they had originally planned.

Nothing ever was announced so how can you delay a rumored event? Until invitations for the event go out, and the event actually happens, nothing is confirmed and all is subject of speculation.

 

[Reiko]

that video also featured dynamic lighting which was removed from the engine (the burning car was lighting up the environment)

You talking about the E3 trailer with the Berserker running towards the screen at the end?

I'm talking about the playable build at E3 which looked like it was running in 20fps.

 

[SniperHunter]

You talking about the E3 trailer with the Berserker running towards the screen at the end?

I'm talking about the playable build at E3 which looked like it was running in 20fps.

I am talking about this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB-buBrQkXU the engine itself was downgraded, probably had nothing to do with 360

 

[Chaos Theory]

ok sorry been out of the loop for while.

so... what is the latest rumors ? specs changed ?

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

They problem is many media played 360 games at E3 2005,he act like no one can play Durango games at this year E3,plus Apple G5 wasn't that powerful like from 7970 to 1.2TF GPU

Looking at Thuway's posts over the last couple of pages, I don't see that. He just thinks that if developers still only have the ultra powerful alpha/beta kits to work with then there is a temptation to make their game look much better than what the final hardware can deliver.

Re: the 7970, Aegies said a couple of months ago that he thinks Microsoft were telling developers that it would match a 680 for performance. If that's true, the devkit sporting a 7970 isn't so wild.

 

[DEADEVIL]

The delay sounds like bad news. Maybe the focus test audience didnt like what they had originally planned.

Nope it doesn't sound like bad news at all, especially since there was no delay. MS can see the rumors just like anyone else.


I think MS is wise to wait till it gets closer to E3. The impact and anticipation is going to be strong as all eyes are on MS at this point.

The crazy thing is every major article Sony has received in the mainstream press, has been free press for the NextBox.

They wont lose a beat when they finally announce.

 

[Reiko]

I am talking about this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB-buBrQkXU the engine itself was downgraded, probably had nothing to do with 360

Throwback

Yeah.. Better lighting. But horrible framerate.

 

[Kaako]

Shit I hope the Durango does end up getting a 7970 equivalent at retail form. The higher the specs, the better. Let us elevate that bottom line higher and higher.

 

[Reiko]

Shit I hope the Durango does end up getting a 7970 equivalent at retail form. The higher the specs, the better. Let us elevate that bottom line higher and higher.

That's what I'm hoping.

You set the bar higher. The lowest common denominator would then just be the Wii U at the most extremes.

 

[Maximilian Kolbe]

Looking at Thuway's posts over the last couple of pages, I don't see that. He just thinks that if developers still only have the ultra powerful alpha/beta kits to work with then there is a temptation to make their game look much better than what the final hardware can deliver.

Re: the 7970, Aegies said a couple of months ago that he thinks Microsoft were telling developers that it would match a 680 for performance. If that's true, the devkit sporting a 7970 isn't so wild.

What Aegies said was about final hardware,plus like many people said,whatever the power of dev kit,they will still give the final target to developers
And people will able to play 720 games at E3 unless 2014 release

Btw if that just what he "think" then that's different

 

[DEADEVIL]

I think it's more than likely and that there's a reason for a lack of more concrete details due to MS' lockdown on leaks. I just hope that the Yukon paper overview, with its explicit inclusion of the PPC Xenon chipset for BC, is a part of the final 'Box. Certainly, with plans like that in place so long ago, and MS owning that piece and working with AMD to integrate it for compatibility with the new graphics and memory subsystem parts, they could leverage it as a powerful co-processor when not engaged in BC use.

Do it MS. Do it. Would be Megaton in my opinion. With GTA V and Phantom Pain coming so late in the game for current gen it would be nice to be able to play these games on the new hardware without rebuying or having to wait for streaming to catch up.

 

[Kaako]

That's what I'm hoping.

You set the bar higher. The lowest common denominator would then just be the Wii U at the most extremes.

I don't even include the Wii U with PS4 and 720. I would love for the PS4 to be the lowest common denominator between the two because that would be one hell of a low common denominator if you know what I mean. Don't mess this up, MS.

 

[SniperHunter]

Shit I hope the Durango does end up getting a 7970 equivalent at retail form. The higher the specs, the better. Let us elevate that bottom line higher and higher.

the equivalent of 7970 is what a higher clocked 7950?! those cards are too big, too expensive, generate too much heat. It's nice to want things, I want a 7970 in PS4 too but it ain't gonna happen sadly....

 

[Cidd]

Shit I hope the Durango does end up getting a 7970 equivalent at retail form. The higher the specs, the better. Let us elevate that bottom line higher and higher.

I hope you're ready to pay $599 if that happens, a HD 7970 isn't cheap and runs at a very high temp so expect your console to sound like a leaf blower.

In other words, that ain't happening...

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

What Aegies said was about final hardware,plus like many people said,whatever the power of dev kit,they will still give the final target to developers
And people will able to play 720 games at E3 unless 2014 release

Btw if that just what he "think" then that's different

Just out of interest, can you link me to a post that claims 720 games won't be playable at E3?

And here is what Aegies said:

I think it speaks more to comparative performance against specific hardware. More specifically, it's comparing a part engineered for specific tasks against something that is grossly inefficient at the same tasks by comparison.

Granted, I'm not saying I know how or even if it hits that. But the "comparable to 680 performance" thing is something I'm hearing from enough sources that it sounds like part of Microsoft's official presentation to third parties.

 

[Angelus Errare]

lol at 7970 as the GPU. It'd be a waste since it's connected to a meager 68GB/s of DDR3 and 102GB/s of eSRAM.

 

[Reiko]

I hope you're ready to pay $599 if that happens, a HD 7970 isn't cheap and runs at a very high temp so expect your console to sound like a leaf blower.

In other words, that ain't happening...

The crazy part is that MS has the financial backing to pull it off.

lol at 7970 as the GPU. It'd be a waste since it's connected to a meager 68GB/s of DDR3 and 102GB/s of eSRAM.

While it is crazy... That is what they are rumored to be using with the devkits. The move to beta should be ridiculous if Thuway's post holds.

 

[avaya]

The crazy part is that MS has the financial backing to pull it off.




While it is crazy... That is what they are rumored to be using with the devkits. The move to beta should be ridiculous if Thuway's post holds.

MS is run by MBA bellends these days, they have more than likely shat the bed.

 

[Maximilian Kolbe]

Just out of interest, can you link me to a post that claims 720 games won't be playable at E3?

And here is what Aegies said:

No links,but you won't make a playable demo so good at E3 then suddenly big downgrade at release,plus Gears was release at 2006 not 2005,i'm talking about 720 launch games

If it's presentation then it's more likely not talking about alpha kit,but i don't think it will have 680 level power,so maybe some little part can be as good as 680

 

[Kaako]

Lol I know 7970 type gpu is probably not happening, just wishful thinking on my part. ;p
I just want the lowest common denominator raised.

 

[Reiko]

Lol I know 7970 type gpu is probably not happening, just wishful thinking on my part. ;p
I just want the lowest common denominator raised.

Yeah. Some are beating their chest to current PS4 specs while not realizing the reality of mutliplats.

Aim higher so PC ports can be pushed more.

 

[specialguy]

event delayed a month? oh, why even bother. it was sked for april 26. a month is may 26. basically e3.

 

[Maximilian Kolbe]

event delayed a month? oh, why even bother. it was sked for april 26. a month is may 26. basically e3.

May 21 from that delay rumor

 

[specialguy]

so a whole 21 days before e3. what is even the point. it is redundant.

 

[JJD]

The crazy part is that MS has the financial backing to pull it off

This is absolutely irrelevant.

Sony too has the backing to pull it off if they want (and they already did it once), and please don't give me the "Sony is doomed" speech.

The problem with the $599 price point is that the majority of the target audience is not willing to pay that much, and this is why Sony and MS won't position themselves at that price point.

 

[Maximilian Kolbe]

so a whole 21 days before e3. what is even the point. it is redundant.

Combo hit,like 360,and i remember 360 event only 1 week before E3

And Microsoft build at June 26-28 seems will also talk something about Xbox
http://www.buildwindows.com/

late May-early June-late June

 

[El_Chino]

so a whole 21 days before e3. what is even the point. it is redundant.

Making sure third party publishers' demos are ready to go and also first party demos I'm guessing? It's not like they're going to show EVERYTHING at the event.

 

[Reiko]

This is absolutely irrelevant.

Sony too has the backing to pull it off if they want (and they already did it once), and please don't give me the "Sony is doomed" speech.

The problem with the $599 price point is that the majority of the target audience is not willing to pay that much, and this is why Sony and MS won't position themselves at that price point.

Thank you for putting words in my mouth.

I didn't mention anything about Sony when I posted that.

 

[specialguy]

The crazy part is that MS has the financial backing to pull it off.




While it is crazy... That is what they are rumored to be using with the devkits. The move to beta should be ridiculous if Thuway's post holds.

i'm guessing the rumor of 7970 must be wrong. some of the leaked documentation said alpha kits contained a gpu "of similar capability" to the one planned as final.

Either thats wrong or the rumors just dont match.

 

[Router]

Their event was always going to be "shortly before E3". We never had any confirmation of April so I don't see how it's suddenly a delay.

Oh well.

 

[statham]

isn't the stock speed of ddr3 already 3x of that 360, not counting move engines and sram.

 

[JJD]

Thank you for putting words in my mouth.

I didn't mention anything about Sony when I posted that.

Congratulations at missing the point completely.

You were arguing the plausibility of putting a 7970 GPU in the Durango considering that MS has the "financial backing" to do so.

And that is completely irrelevant when it comes down to which GPU they will choose.

They could put a SLI titan in a console if they wanted and sell it at $1499, or even take a huge loss and sell it at less than 1K. People would still complain about price.

I mentioned Sony because they have already gone that route and it didn't work quite as well as they pleased. The PS3 launch was a disaster and the price point was one of the major issues.

People (even many hardcore gamers) are not willing to pay that much for a console.

 

[AgentP]

While it is crazy... That is what they are rumored to be using with the devkits. The move to beta should be ridiculous if Thuway's post holds.

The 7970 has GDDR5 at like 260GB/s, the Durango leaked specs do not.

isn't the stock speed of ddr3 already 3x of that 360, not counting move engines and sram.

I don't get your point. They are aiming for 6-10x performance, 3x memory bandwidth is not a good thing. Also, Move engines don't help bandwidth, they max out at ~25GB/s.

 

[Reiko]

Congratulations at missing the point completely.

You were arguing the plausibility of putting a 7970 GPU in the Durango considering that MS has the "financial backing" to do so.

And that is completely irrelevant when it comes down to which GPU they will choose.

They could put a SLI titan in a console if they wanted and sell it at $1499, or even take a huge loss and sell it at less than 1K. People would still complain about price.

I mentioned Sony because they have already gone that route and it didn't work quite as well as they pleased. The PS3 launch was a disaster and the price point was one of the major issues.

People (even many hardcore gamers) are not willing to pay that much for a console.

All I said is that they have the financial backing to do so...

What this is... Is another case of you reading too much into what I post.

The 7970 has GDDR5 at like 260GB/s, the Durango leaked specs do not.

So what is the point of using a 7970 if the final is much much lower in rumored specs?

 

[i-Lo]

The crazy part is that MS has the financial backing to pull it off.




While it is crazy... That is what they are rumored to be using with the devkits. The move to beta should be ridiculous if Thuway's post holds.

Given the customization with efficiency and having streamlined access to ram (the final architecture), it makes more sense to have a GPU like 7970 in dev kit which can encompass the fluctuating performance of the actual target design. But, if you really think that the XB3 will feature 7970 because they have financial backing then... ... "nope".

 

[JJD]

All I said is that they have the financial backing to do so...

What this is... Is another case of you reading to much into what I post.

Which is irrelevant that's all I'm saying.

No one is reading too much into anything. I mean, this is a discussion forum geez...

 

[Reiko]

Given the customization with efficiency and having streamlined access to ram (the final architecture), it makes more sense to have a GPU like 7970 in dev kit which can encompass the fluctuating performance of the actual target design. But, if you really think that the XB3 will feature 7970 because they have financial backing then... ... "nope".

Lets go crazy. Put a Titan in there and call it a day.

What I do find odd is that DICE still has no idea what final PS4 hardware is. Unless that was PR bullshit as well. Because I thought Sony already released specs...

Which is irrelevant that's all I'm saying.

No one is reading too much into anything. I mean, this is a discussion forum geez...

What I posted was just that. Not a wink, wink, or a nudge.

 

[AgentP]

So what is the point of using a 7970 if the final is much much lower in rumored specs?

I floated my theory, you must have missed it. The 7970 was the first commercial card with GCN, it came out in Jan 2012, the same time as the alpha kits were shipped. I'm guessing they justed wanted to get GCN in the the computer and could downclock and disable CUs with drivers.

 

[SniperHunter]

Lets go crazy. Put a Titan in there and call it a day.

What I do find odd is that DICE still has no idea what final PS4 hardware is. Unless that was PR bullshit as well. Because I thought Sony already released specs...

that was just bull imo, i think ea and ms have some sort of deal for durango