Voice recognition doesn't need a lot of things.
VGLeaks: First look as Durango XDK (always connected, kinect required, must install)
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Voice recognition doesn't need a lot of things.
Maximilian Kolbe
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Yes,enough for it doesn't require online,"always on" not even meaning online part at first(even most of online features have something to do with always on aka low power mode)
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It's the same arguments in all the Microsoft threads, and usually by all the same people, many of which have never had any interest in the platform in the first place. A friendly advice - just ignore it and wait for the reveal.
lol, of course it isn't. MS haven't said anything at all about Durango and when they've been contacted about rumours, they've given the usual "we don't comment on rumours and speculation" answer. In the past, they have done that many times with things that have turned out to be false, as well as things that have turned out to be true. We don't even know for sure if this leaked document is real, but assuming that silence is solid clarification of things that are only rumours from anonymous sources to begin with is just silly.
Kill Your Masters
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Doesn't this always online just mean the console is always connected and in a sleep-mode when turned off. Just like smartphones and tablets. As long as always-online is not mandatory (as in if my connection is down, I can't play my games) it shouldn't be that big of a problem.
For me - I can't wait for seamless installing of games so I don't need to insert the disc every time. I can't wait for automatic patch updating so I don't have to sit through all that every time. I can't wait for a suspend mode which means I don't have to wait for the console and game to boot up whenever I want to dip in and out. I'm also excited about the notion that the console will automatically download demos etc for me whilst it's in a low power state. There's lots to be excited about IMO.
Open Source
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I like the no streaming from discs bit because it means engines that use streaming have a faster and more reliable baseline. If you had to write your engine with the assumption that data was only coming in as fast as the optical drive could give it to you...not good in a generation that will feature bigger textures and more complex geometry than ever.
I just hope the hard drives are big enough - or cheaply upgradable enough - that routine uninstalls for disk space don't become necessary.
Flatline
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So let me get this straight, it's always connected but not really always connected? So what's the point of saying always connected when it doesn't really require it? Doesn't your interpretation mean it's just like every other console?
Kill Your Masters
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This pretty much. Suspend mode is what I'm mostly looking forward to.
As long as I can still play games offline if I decide to, wheter if my internet is not working or I just don't want to be bothered online, I don't mind this type of always-on on next gen consoles.
So you don't have to go through the process of booting up the system and waiting to log in every time you want to play. Basically sleep/hibernation mode.
Chû Totoro
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wtf?!?
I won't buy this (I know where you're going Microsoft).
spectyre
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This right here is fucking hilarious. I literally lol'd. Kaz Heston
Same here. It's going to get rid of several of the frustrations of this gen. The PS4 has much of this too, yet some people can see nothing positive in the leaked article - not even the stuff about it being easier to develop for than the 360 or the improved controller.
Assuming this article is true, but without assuming anything else, the only potential negative to me is the Kinect stuff as I had no interest in owning Kinect this gen and I'd rather not have to pay for something that I won't use, but I'll remain open-minded about it until they show what the new version of Kinect can actually do. It may be just a marginally improved version of the original that makes me think "meh, I really don't want that", but I can't say that until I see it and see what developers do with it.
Guys the fact that some of you are more optimistic about these rumours is not a clarification of our fears at all. I too hope that microsoft's reveal dispels some of these rumours simply because they are a bad direction for the industry.
However, keep in mind that microsoft knows what people are saying on the internet, and they do nothing to say otherwise while PS4 gains followers. This may still be their strategy but I think they are actually waiting off this bad drm vibe in fear of backlash. Again, I truly hope not for all our sakes.
However, keep in mind that microsoft knows what people are saying on the internet, and they do nothing to say otherwise while PS4 gains followers. This may still be their strategy but I think they are actually waiting off this bad drm vibe in fear of backlash. Again, I truly hope not for all our sakes.
Oppo
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That's what it looks like to me.
- EDGE releases rumour that next Xbox has this permanent onlin connection required
- EDGE is proven very accurate on PS4 rumours released around same time
- GameStop starts very loudly an publically complaining about anti-used games initiatives
- Sony outright says we are not requiring a connection; GameStop continues to freak out
- several high profile game sites seem to corroborate the EDGE rumours
- now this doc leaks from devout and uses the marketing phrase Always On, Always Connected; specifically uses the phrase "will always maintain an online connection"
.... and somehow those who are reading this as exactly what it appears to be are accused if bad reading comprehension. It's like the barn is on fire; smoke is pouring out an there's an orange glow, but - no you morons, not fire, don't jump to conclusions, clearly they are just painting. Lern 2 reed.
As I said before I will be really happy to be wrong about this. But if they don't outright deny it then I'm going to assume that it is what it look like.
It's nice to see the clean divide between those who would initially ask themselves "Is this what I want (though not everything is clarified or concrete)" and those who immediately begin to engage in rationalizing how this is logical progression; then proceed to undermine objections as irrational as if there is no value in the combative sentiment expressed. Ugh -- fuck that.
come on now - someone click the "Durango Specs"-link in that document, and let us in on the details
Are vgleaks' replies always this dodgy?
Can you guys take better resolution pictures? and more? I wanna see that Durango Specs, Durango Alpha Kit and Durango Beta kit pointsShow us more
vgleakscom said:
These Durango threads are getting more and more amusing as gaffers line up to come up over the trenches falling over each other desperate to proclaim their undying hate for the new xbox and all it stands for. No where in that document the op posted does it says you can't play your games without being connect to the internet. It talks about being always connected so your console and games are always up to date. Sounds nice being able to line up a game to download whilst at work knowing when you come up it will already be downloaded ready to go. And as for people crying about the Kinect being always on and talking about privacy, well I'm sure most of ye lay bare yare lives on facebook, post about yare toilet habits on twitter, post in threads on GAF such as girl age etc but will get worries about what a camera might be doing.
You're underestimating the intelligence of people. People know and understand what they're complaining about.
Of course, a lot of people right now are interpreting "Always on" to be "Always online" just to play games at all, ala SimCity, which should be pretty self-explanatory why there is anger at that after that debacle. And the reason people are interpreting it that way is the string of highly believable rumours, from the same places that got the PS4 stuff all right, saying Durango requires internet to even play games.
And I can tell you that I have an internet and my things are connected, but I cannot tell you the number of times I have removed my 360 from the internet for one reason or another. Sometimes I don't want an update forced on me because it does something I disapprove of to a game or the system, which was actually far more often than you'd believe. Sometimes we'd hear a patch actually ruins something and so people are told 'don't patch' until that gets fixed... so i turn off my 360 from the internet. Sometimes I just don't want to deal with some people on my friends list and disconnecting it is easier than having to go invisible and pretending I'm not online. It doesn't matter. The point is, there's a million reasons people might not want a system that was "Always on" in that sense, and it doesn't matter how valid you or I think those reasons are. Because the consumer shouldn't be forced into something like that.
The Kinect hate is self-explanatory, and people really need to get over acting all surprised about the reasons behind it at this point. Kinect has now been out for years and its tech has proven abominable for 98% of all genres. That's not even an exaggeration. Virtually everything that wasn't mini-game tripe or dance games was so fucking awful that it defies all possible articulation here. And hell, maybe it'd be forgivable if it created some new genres. Except it hasn't, the fuckin' tech hasn't brought one single new idea to the table. The tech, because it has no tactile feedback, no buttons, is inherently worthless for most genres. And if it's voice tech people want for the OS and whatnot, coulda just used a far cheaper solution. No amount of improvements in Kinect 2.0 will ever change that it has no tactile feedback and no buttons, and therefore is worthless for most games. So instead of improving Durango in ways that will impact MOST genres positively, consumers now have a shit dead-end technology that works for only one or two horrible genres most people never gave a shit about in the first place. Seems a poor trade-off to me, but what do I know: I don't develop games for an MS platform, I only buy them.
The Xbox 360 is always online, always connected in the same fashion as this will be.
Maximilian Kolbe
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Always connected,when users want to
Easy, fighting games need good netcode, as well as superior multiplats. From the look of things the later thing at worst be even.
Also haven't really been interested in many ps exclusives lately, so if I'm playing multiplat games I go with 360.
Yeah, if you take it out of context.
It mentions that "Durango will implement different power states" so that it "will be ready instantly when users want to play, and will always maintain a network connection so that console software and games are always current".
It's clear as day that they're talking about background network connectivity there, not always online DRM as you claim.
Alx
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That's because "always connected" and "no used games" are two separate problems. There's no need to be always connected to block used games, and being always connected doesn't mean it will be used for that.
It's true that there are strong rumors about measures blocking second-hand games, but people are just jumping to conclusions. I wouldn't be surprised if such rumors were true (although not as extreme as people expect, second hand will probably still be possible but at a price), but it's a separate issue from the console being designed to keep a permanent connexion.
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You're talking about the always on part not the always connected.
Oppo
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I think it's both. This is my point from very early in the thread. Requirements and features bundled together under a sub brand like Kinect.
And I beg your pardon but my whole post was nothing but context
I am choosing to not specifically read one or two sentences from this in isolation; trying to look at the big picture.Yes, because I choose how to use those platforms and I can turn them off. I choose what to share. Having Kinect always on is like Twitter taking a picture of you and publishing it every time you look at your Twitter feed.
And even if Kinect won't be used for profiling for marketing purposes, it still means that things like "pay an additional fee for each person who will watch this video in your room" could be implemented. Judging from Microsoft past actions, there are not many reasons to think they will not have that kind of approach.
If that's fine for you, cool. But don't be surprised if people think it crosses a line.
I think it's both. This is my point from very early in the thread. Requirements and features bundled together under a sub brand like Kinect.
And I beg your pardon but my whole post was nothing but context
I feel like you can't use that context in regards to developer documentation though. The phrasing is perfectly innocent without the rumours providing context and Microsoft has no obligation to clarify that in documentation not meant for public eyes.
eso76
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I don't see what the problem is with kinect plugged in at all times frankly.
I doubt it means kinect has to be watching you and the console will stop functioning as soon as you leave its field of view.
It's bundled in, its probably mandatory that all games use it to some degree, even if it's just voice recognition. The UI will use it extensively.
It wouldn't even make sense to NOT have it plugged in.
Now, if this means the console only works after scanning your face and recognizing you as the owner, that would be a real disaster, but i don't think that's the case. Right ?
That would fail on multiple levels, plus it's probably easy to trick the Kinect by having it look at a picture
I doubt it means kinect has to be watching you and the console will stop functioning as soon as you leave its field of view.
It's bundled in, its probably mandatory that all games use it to some degree, even if it's just voice recognition. The UI will use it extensively.
It wouldn't even make sense to NOT have it plugged in.
Now, if this means the console only works after scanning your face and recognizing you as the owner, that would be a real disaster, but i don't think that's the case. Right ?
That would fail on multiple levels, plus it's probably easy to trick the Kinect by having it look at a picture
Maximilian Kolbe
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Always on,always connected,block used games are about software and easy to change
Plus there also have rumors report 720 not required online and block used games(even not sure how credibility of them),and like you said-gamestop complaining,you think MS will ignore them?
So this document tells us the Kinect will be sending picture home to MS for marketing purpose, I must have missed that section and we're dealing in "could" now Microsoft could so this
Alx
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That's just blaming them on pure suppositions... there's a difference between what technology can do and what companies decide to do with it.
Besides, if MS ever set up such a system and you don't want to pay per user, well don't. There are many other alternatives out there for movie on demand that won't change if the public doesn't want it to (and that's why MS won't do it, unless it brings benefits to the user too... marketing isn't forcing your product on people, it's making them want to buy it).
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Why in the world would it do that? My living room is not Fort Knox.
Mr. Luchador
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Hello Xbox User.
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dragonelite
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Ea and other will find a way. Sony already said publishers can block used games on ps4 but sony won't use it for their exclusives. That is what 1 or 2 good games a year then you have EA and the other block used multiplat games. Gamestop and others are just scared they can't continue to use their used games scams and profit big from it while fucking gamer in the ass.
Im oke with always online and non used games but then i also expect the same quality of service steam offers. If not then i can save myself 800 euro.
PetriP-TNT
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Always Connected sounds more like "we download and install patches and whatnot" (I mean, it says so in the text) like PS+, not some DRM measure.
Of course you can go all nuts and expect that Kinect will shoot ads in your eyes when you sleep.
Of course you can go all nuts and expect that Kinect will shoot ads in your eyes when you sleep.
Well, that would get us into a long debate on MS history. Marketing certainly doesn't mean forcing people. A certain style of product development, however, is based on getting into a strong market position and put constraints and anti-consumer features on a product with the sole purpose of squeezing more money out of customers. Actually Microsoft is a master of manipulative techniques. It's kind of their corporate culture (see also embrace, extend, extinguish).
They could always say that profiling based on Kinect body recognition helps increasing relevance. Still, I don't like it.
Finally: it's true nothing of this is confirmed. But I think it's healthy not to assume corporations will make their decisions based on what's best for you.
Heart Attack
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I guess this is it. It was and still is a pleasure to use my xbox 360 as my main console... but we must part ways microsoft...
Mr.Wreckless
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And right now you dont know anything about the console. You know what is rumored but you dont have any facts to base these rants on. How can you complain that MS is not spending enough money improving the system when you dont know what is in the system to begin with? Thats an open ended complaint that you could throw out there no matter what MS puts in its next system. Since you dont like Kinect no matter what CPU/GPU/RAM, etc....they put in that box you could sit there and say "the Kinect is trash and MS could have spent that money improving the system".
Thank the lord we only have about 1 month until this thing is revealed and then we can have fact based discussions on what is and isnt in the box and what it can and cant do. Right now its just people throwing out nightmare scenario after scenario based on nothing but rumors. I mean we have people talking about being afraid to do anything in their living room because someone will be watching them through the Kinect. Mind you these same people have a webcam pointed at them right now that they havent given a second thought to.
And it's causing a world shortage of tin
lol, you are complaining about people talking about stuff they don´t know about because MS hasn´t told about it.. yet you seem to know about something happening in a month time..?