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Video Shows US Border Agents Make 16-year-old Boy Drink Liquid Meth Until He Dies
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Theonik
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We'll never know the specifics because he died. He confessed while overdosing and was told by the agents that they were suspicious of his cargo and he insisted it was apple juice whereupon they told him to prove it. I suggest you actually read the article. There is no way he didn't know what he was carrying was bad, in the unlikely event he didn't know what was in there it's all the more reason not to drink it.
I'm perfectly fine with admitting ICE training is severely lacking, though cartels use kids to do these things for a reason.
Welcome to law enforcement in the USA.
I don't know if it would be accurate to say that they knew, but they should certain be aware that there's the possibility that the kid may die from it. Would that still fit voluntary manslaughter though? I don't really know the clear definitions...
A Link to the Past
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So we'll never know the specifics, but there's no way that the kid didn't know that the contents he was carrying would kill him in sips? Apparently there is a way of knowing. Can you quote the specific text that shows his knowledge of the lethality of what he was carrying? Because as it stands, you're pretty much just giving your opinion on what the kid knew or didn't know and defending people who either did this out of gross incompetence (and therefore should never work in a position of authority at BEST) or they did it because they didn't care.
I agree with you, I think it is likely that the kid knows he's carrying something illegal, but it is highly unlikely that he knows a few sips would kill him, or else his decisions makes very little sense. This is definitely completely avoidable and I think the border agents should be held in some way accountable for this.
so can someone with a legal background explain how or why this process with internationals works?
I mean I know if I break a speeding limit or piss in public I get a fine. Similarly I assume if some fucker kills me there will be some reprecussions?
Or is it different cause im on a visa? Does US law apply to harm to internationals while in the US? Why didnt any case come off this person? I guess something did due to the 1 mill setlement but how come no criminal charges could be made?
A Link to the Past
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Seriously. I'm legitimately terrified at the mere possibility that some of the people in this thread could theoretically be put in a position of authority.
It's worth noting that quick-and-easy field test (if it's the same one that cops have) has an abysmal specificity. Not that that stops police from using said test to force poor people to choose between jail time or a false guilty plea based on nothing but a test that mistakes common everyday substances like chocolate and kitty litter for illicit drugs.
Jesus fuck. How the hell to you have two federal agents compel a minor (who appears to be an American resident) to drink what they believe to be liquid methamphetamine precursor and get off with a "we have no reason to pursue further discipline"?
Jesus fuck. How the hell to you have two federal agents compel a minor (who appears to be an American resident) to drink what they believe to be liquid methamphetamine precursor and get off with a "we have no reason to pursue further discipline"?
hes a resident ? how is there no further charge then? Or did the settlement protect against further action.
Theonik
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The kid would have been approached with the substance and either paid or coerced, usually the former which is more consistent with what we know. He might not have known exactly what was in the bottle but definitely knew what he was carrying was bad. Just how bad the kid's judgement was is hard to assess since he took his thinking to the grave. We can only look at the facts as they are presented to us.
Civil and criminal. Completely different burdens of proof. The prosecutor would have to bring forth a criminal case. I am not sure a prosecutor wants to touch this with a ten foot pole. Hot button issue, also hard to prove criminal charges.
Isnt this *kinda* like bringing electronics through security and having the TSA make you turn it on to prove its real and not a bomb or something?
I feel like Ive heard of the drink test before, just assuming nobody actually carrying drugs or explosives would be dumb enough to drink it.
A Link to the Past
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You're trying to arrive at a conclusion, but the path you take has a looot of qualifiers.
1. "He probably was paid rather than coerced"
2. "He knew what he was carrying was bad, so that means he understand how lethal it is"
3. "He didn't know what was in the bottle, but he knew it was bad"
If you have to employ these qualifiers, you have no facts to justify claiming that he willfully drank something he knew would kill him. Also, I asked you for a quote justifying the idea that he knew how lethal it was.
Yeah people mentioned earlier, and I agree in many cases it is probably a quick and reliable test. At the border if you can assume random people ignorant to lethality of what they are carrying though, it might be a bad test.
Frozenprince
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A sixteen year old is all but murdered and people still won't just admit our system is broken huh.
I just think we should end this assumption because of several possibilities that could lead to death, including :
1. Not actually knowing what is inside at all.
2. Knowing what's inside but unaware that a small amount could be lethal.
3. Knowing drinking would cause great harm but in the interest of avoiding jail making irrational decision under pressure.
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
They have drug testing kits... They literally chose murder because they were lazy. The could've taken one sniff of the liquid...
Frozenprince
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"Drink test" what the fuck is wrong with some of y'all? If it is a dangerous compound, like it was here, you're literally killing somebody through your actions.
You take the damn substance and you test it, whether it takes three minutes or three hours.
You take the damn substance and you test it, whether it takes three minutes or three hours.
rokkerkory
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So freaking sad 
You are right about only looking at facts as presented to us. Those facts don't look good for American justice.
A minor is carrying bottles of liquid across the border.
Border guards are suspicious about the substance.
While having many other means of dealing with this individual and that substance, they chose a way which could put the minor in harm's way if their suspicions were correct.
They were correct and as the kid od'd, they laughed.
No disciplinary action was taken.
Dubbedinenglish
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It has a heavy chemical smell, you could easily smell the difference.
A Link to the Past
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Nah, you're underselling this.
People are literally in this thread siding with the border patrol agents
ShironRedshift
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That's where I'm at. That, or alternatively, he believed that even if it would kill him, that you know... they would react with at least a shred of empathy and not just let him die and take action immediately. Particularly since they were egging on. Since they're in a position of authority, why would they do that unless it was fine and everything would be alright? Surely they wouldn't just let someone die and be daring them to do something that would actually kill them, right? And would save them even if things turned south? I can't imagine his thought process was anything else, or else his actions make no sense, as you said. But well, he's dead, so we'l never know.
This chain of events really saddens me...
For the people defending this shit: we don't know who gave the kid the drugs because he died, and he died because those two idiot border cops killed him. That is what happens when you make a 16 year old teen drink what you already suspect to be precursors for cooking meth.
Not only are these two thugs, they're incompetent thugs who failed in their actual jobs (helping to fight drug traffickers) because they murdered a low level drug mule instead of obtaining some useful intelligence about the drug pipeline they stumbled across.
It's a fucking travesty that these two morons weren't fired, if not because of the human rights issues of them executing some kid by forcing extremely toxic chemicals down his threat, then because of the fact that they clearly are so stupid that they can't be trusted to not do the cartels' work for them.
Not only are these two thugs, they're incompetent thugs who failed in their actual jobs (helping to fight drug traffickers) because they murdered a low level drug mule instead of obtaining some useful intelligence about the drug pipeline they stumbled across.
It's a fucking travesty that these two morons weren't fired, if not because of the human rights issues of them executing some kid by forcing extremely toxic chemicals down his threat, then because of the fact that they clearly are so stupid that they can't be trusted to not do the cartels' work for them.
Raylan Targaryen
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i know this guy got banned but it literally says in the op
At least the other people that got banned were just assholes that were like "he said it was apple juice, his fault" which at least you're an asshole so of course you would feel that way. Blaming it on the kid option with a bullshit claim is just sad
smh
MikeHattsu
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I didn't think of this but yeah, absolutely, sometimes we do feel the false sense of security with authority that we think we can trust, and that we're in good hands... very risky assumption to make in America these days.
IMO this is indefensible. And these fucks aren't even recieving a minor punishment?
Fuck. Off.
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Anyway,
RIP Cruz Velazquez Acevedo.
"A Customs and Border Protection spokesman said in a statement that the agencys Office of Professional Responsibility investigated the incident and determined that no further action was warranted and the officers involved were not disciplined."
Fuck. Off.
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Anyway,
RIP Cruz Velazquez Acevedo.
Some people cannot separate the criminal act committed by the kid from the alleged negligent homicide committed by the border patrol agents. To them the outcome is justified by the initial crime.
I think I misread the article. The poor kid was a Mexican citizen.
BocoDragon
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I wasn't sure where to fall on this issue, until I watched the video. It's the "go ahead take another sip.... take one more..." that sealed the deal.
Once you knew the kid was willing to drink it, the additional sips prove nothing. They could only be toying with him and willingly endangering him at that point.
Once you knew the kid was willing to drink it, the additional sips prove nothing. They could only be toying with him and willingly endangering him at that point.
Yeah, the length that people go to justify their victim blaming. It's really gross.
Vicetrailia
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This is the ultimate form of peer pressure. Law enforcement is a joke in the US.
Kingpin Rogers
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Is there any chance, any chance at all the officers weren't aware of what it was the boy actually had? I don't want to believe there could be people who would have a boy drink something like that knowing it would kill them.
Who knows? It is immaterial. What matters is whether or not they followed protocol? There are tons of substances that are poisonous if ingested. I cannot imagine that our border policy is such as to force an individual to ingest an unknown substance to prove that it is what he purports it to be.
Shadowhelper
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The inspect it first, so they know.
And, the only reason, absolutely the only reason they'd ask him to drink it, is if they suspect there are drugs in it. So no, there is no chance they weren't aware what was going on.
They're all dumbasses to be honest.
Mostly playing devil's advocate here, but should they also stop requesting that we turn on electronic devices because I could have been lying about it being an iPad and it could actually be an explosive that's triggered by the buttons?
In this case it really is just sad, it seems like it was mostly just a kid doing a dumb thing under pressure, and we probably shouldn't be making these assumptions.
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
You don't fucking open random ass bottles and sniff them.. you don't want that shit on you or in you in any way shape or form. If you were going to test it you'd do it with a mask and big rubber gloves on. Meth in that form can absorb through your skin.
They should have just had it tested even if he offered to drink it. He'd have been arrested and still alive.
They probably thought nobody would drink liquid meth, so they were probably a bit surprised when that's exactly what it turned out to be.
If what the didn't isn't wrong, then the policies need changing to make it wrong. It was a pointless death that could have been resolved by just testing it and holding him.
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