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Video Shows US Border Agents Make 16-year-old Boy Drink Liquid Meth Until He Dies
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cucuchu
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If it was just "apple juice", why could they not have confiscated it under suspicion and reimbursed him for it? Why the spectacle of making him drink it? I guess there is the argument that he might be impossible to track down if it did test positive. Its still better than the kid murdering himself. I'm guessing the kid had no idea how lethal it was or else he would of stopped after the first sip and turned himself in.
I'm just curious what the standard protocol is for this. Certainly not what these asshats did.
I'm just curious what the standard protocol is for this. Certainly not what these asshats did.
17 Seconds
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but there is one much more guilty party. he obviously didn't think it would hurt him. they at least knew that it could, and they didn't do shit. he deserved punishment, but not death at the hands of 2 shitheads.
I mean, or alternately just don't pass a law authorizing the army to do it and then let's see how things go without a secondary police force whose only job is terrorizing people who want to live in America and decide afterwards whether we actually want to rebuild the agency.
I guess in this model I would keep the guys who move cargo through ports. The rest can all go.
Captin Quacker
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It's not exactly in the TSA handbook either
In fact it's not in the TSA handbook period, so I'm confused why people are tryin to justify it
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Yes, don't worry. We did read this story about adults coercing a child into killing himself. We read about trained individuals using their authority to kill a kid instead of doing the safer method that takes just as much if not less time.
No, you don't. But you also don't drink the poison you happen to be knowingly smuggling. I'm sure almost any 16 year old would understand that.
It is possible for two parties to be in the wrong.
Hot takes all around.
This is a 16 year old kid, dude. Surrounded by authority figures. Like, please re-examine the perspective here.
thepenguin55
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I think the main thing that bothers me about this is the kids age. At 16 you think you understand the world and think you know how to make good decisions but you don't. They could've just arrested him for this and maybe he would've learned something from this but instead they decided to be judge, jury and executioner.
As morbid as it may sound I could understand the desire to give someone "a taste of their own medicine" in a situation like this but this kid was too young and it shouldn't be up to them to decide who lives and who dies (really that shouldn't be for anyone to decide but I digress...)
As morbid as it may sound I could understand the desire to give someone "a taste of their own medicine" in a situation like this but this kid was too young and it shouldn't be up to them to decide who lives and who dies (really that shouldn't be for anyone to decide but I digress...)
teruterubozu
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So one party gets to die? You have a strange sense of justice.
BlueTsunami
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Its becoming apparent its just a lazy way to deal with liquids. And with no consequences from this death I guess its a legitimate way to save time even at the expense of a life. A young one at that.
At what point would the child in this situation not be wrong? What if they were 14, or 12, or 10? Is there any point where you don't go "well the trained professional and the nervous kid were both wrong"?
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Here's some possibilities.
1. The kid didn't know that what he was smuggling could kill him if this happened.
2. The kid was fearful of what border agents may do if he refused.
3. The kid was fearful of what may happen to him or his family by cartel people if he was caught.
What are the excuses for putting this child and multiple trained adults equally responsible? Why can't trained individuals be held to a higher standard than a literal child?
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Youre assuming the 16 year old knew he was about to die a terrible, terrible death.
Did I say he deserved to die?
The Border patrol people who did this are despicable and deserve jail. The 16 year old also deserved jail. He shouldn't have been killed that way, but I'm not going to excuse him either as being "just a 16 year old doing dumb stuff". How many lives were going to be ruined or killed off because of those two jars of meth? That's not kids doing dumb stuff.
teruterubozu
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Indirectly in many ways, yes.
BreezyLimbo
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Its an easy way to get "power" over others with little to no effort.
The promise of power and authority,
therealist
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What does the kid being 16 have to do with it? Pretty sure at 18 he would still be kind of stupid by trying to bring drugs into the USA and then lying about it to border agents. If you're dumb enough to do this at 16, you're going to be dumb enough to do this 2 years later.
The US border agents did not follow protocol. They don't have separate protocols for 16 year olds and 18 year olds. It's one protocol.
The US border agents did not follow protocol. They don't have separate protocols for 16 year olds and 18 year olds. It's one protocol.
Prophaniti
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How the hell does four sips of meth kill you? Did he have a heart condition?
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Firefoxprime
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I hear you and I respect your point. I really do. What concerns me, is that we have this "somewhat" false pretense that young people make stupid mistakes/decisions, and full grown adults are way more mature, SIMPLY because they are OLDER.
So its basically age vs maturity.
Lower age = lower maturity.
Higher age = higher maturity.
BUT the real world? Doesn't always work like this.
[Side Tangent] I'm not much of a social media guy. I have the ocassionally stagnant FB account, and I "think" snapchat. That's it. I'm 26. So....during the last 15 months of this presidential election(you see where I'm going with this) I hear from people how they cut off their close family members, friends, etc. Twitter warz galore. Now these people degrading and insulting each other(no matter how wrong or right, it's all about how the message is sent across) was WRONG.
TL;DR: My point is I will not immediately assume a teenager is immature and foolish, and I will not assume a grown man or woman is intelligent to make clear and concise judgement calls. Dat sin nature baby
teruterubozu
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Liquid meth, as in raw uncut undiluted pure amphetamine.
NotMuhSuperman
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They asked him to prove it wasn't anythin illicit by drinking it. Ask and told are too different words. which is why the title is click bait.
Washington Post one didn't fit, I just googled stories until one did. A bit more sensationalist than the WPost one though.
You don't ask that of anyone period, really.
thepenguin55
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I can get that line of thinking (and I wouldn't doubt that that's what the officers were thinking) but there's just too much we don't know about that kid's situation and they shouldn't be allowed to decide who lives and who dies.
And they didn't stop him, or do a test. It's gross negligence.
Keep in mind that they have already paid a million to settle a wrongful death case. This shit is on those officers.
j_k_redtail
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Poorly worded, removed.
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I mean, of course the police were immature, they basically challenged the kid to a drinking contest, knowing what the contents may be and knowing they could be lethal. But that doesn't change that the impetus is on trained adults to not be immature, and they failed that.
uh what, WP title fits perfectly
"Video shows U.S. border officers telling Mexican teen to drink the liquid meth that killed him" doesn't fit. Stops at the K in killed. The youtube video title from their article might fit though, didn't try.
not as stupid as this post. You're with the border agents on this one? What is wrong with you?
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How are you siding with border patrol, when they didn't perform any due diligence? The kid is dead because they didn't feel like doing their fucking jobs. All they had to do was test the fucking liquid, instead of this chicken bullshit.
Are you serious? They could have taken one quick test and even if it was a false positive he still wouldn't have died. Yes, the drinking option is much faster but also one that leaves irreversible consequences.
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Emmett Till flashbacks incoming
The kid didn't deserve to die, and the agents should be charged with manslaughter in the least.
Were stupid and deadly decisions made on both sides? Yes. Did the 16 year old know what he was carrying and its potency? It's the drug trade, most likely. He obviously knew the consequences of carrying it. My brother had friends at that age who were acutely aware of what they were carrying and their effects. Should the cops have confiscated it and had it tested rather than give him a childish dare? Absolutely. They have to authority to confiscate anything.
It's possible to side with neither and call the whole situation sad and unfortunate.
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That one might have been the most shocking and horrible defense force I'd ever seen.
Like, I was straight up amazed at how depraved someone could be.
The person you're quoting was quoting someone who sided with border patrol.
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