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[Tornado Condor]

I had something of an eye-opening experience when I was pulled over while riding as a passenger with a black friend. I've been pulled over on two other occasions (speeding!), and while one of them had been thoroughly unpleasant, this felt very different. I think the thing that struck me the most, aside from wasting an hour of our time for a traffic stop that was little more than an excuse for a fishing expedition (they suspected we had drugs in the vehicle because one of the headlights was out and we were acting "suspicious" because we were fidgeting while talking to them... in 20 degree weather. Idiots.), was how my friend was acting; in particular he would announce his moves before he made them, such as saying that he was taking his wallet out of his pocket or something along those lines.

I guess it sounds silly to say, but it's something where I knew in the abstract that black people have different experiences when getting pulled over than white people do, but until I actually saw how much more ridiculous it was even for something that was more tedious than anything else, I don't really think I understood it.

That's how cops make sure you aren't pulling out any guns or anything. I saw a video once about what you should do if you get pulled over and declaring what you were doing was part of it.

It makes cops feel safe.

 

[Timedog]

Would there be 911 calls on the white kids and not as many as the black kids?

A lot (all) of these videos are "go into white neighbourhoods and show how racist white people are".

You didn't answer my question. Are you trying to make a point, or just asking for opinions with your question?

If you're trying to make a point, something like "the same thing would have happened in a black neighborhood but in reverse", just make your point without the disingenuous question.

If you're just trying to see what other people in the thread think would happen aka just observing people's views without trying to make some point, that's cool too.

Let me know which one it is and I'll respond.

 

[Foxy Fox 39]

You know, you're right. Clearly, based on everything we know about American history and culture, the minor differences between the clothing worn by the different sets of teens makes a much larger difference then the color of their skin, or the fact that some of them were vandalizing a car and the others were sleeping.

You're being goddamned ridiculous.

Its the hoodie syndrome.

 

[Enzom21]

You seem to have a knack for injecting the racism angle into anything.. All those points you made had all to do with politics and nothing to do with racism ..
and what exactly is wrong with my "white girl" comment? Do tell.

and having them both wear the same clothes eliminates another confounding variable.. When performing experiments, one should try include as much scientific control as possible

Do I now? So you asking why us blacks weren't offended by Biden's comments about chains and you saying there was no racial component to the birth certificate nonsense had nothing to do with racism?

What did your white girl comment have to do with that thread?

You seem to love trying to counter any racism towards black people with white people being wronged in some way.

 

[Slayven]

That's how cops make sure you aren't pulling out any guns or anything. I saw a video once about what you should do if you get pulled over and declaring what you were doing was part of it.

It makes cops feel safe.

And how black dudes stop from getting shot.

 

[Devolution]

And how black dudes stop from getting shot.

Some of my friends just keep their wallet on the dash where the cop can clearly see what they're reaching for.

 

[Schattenjäger]

Do I now? So you asking why us blacks weren't offended by Biden's comments about chains and you saying there was no racial component to the birth certificate nonsense had nothing to do with racism?

What did your white girl comment have to do with that thread?

You seem to love trying to counter any racism towards black people with white people being wronged in some way.

So are you saying I should have made my own thread devoted to racism against white people? I think all racism sucks. Didnt realize some racism deserves more outrage than others. Being a white man, the "white girl" comments didnt sit right with me so I felt the urge to comment as it seems to be overlooked here.

 

[chronos4590]

Some of my friends just keep their wallet on the dash where the cop can clearly see what they're reaching for.

I was always told to do this if i get pulled over. Before the cop comes get my wallet in my hand already or somewhere not in my pocket so they know i'm not reaching for a weapon. Sad that i gotta do that just in case but the last thing i need is possible trouble coming to me.

 

[Schattenjäger]

I was always told to do this if i get pulled over. Before the cop comes get my wallet in my hand already or somewhere not in my pocket so they know i'm not reaching for a weapon. Sad that i gotta do that just in case but the last thing i need is possible trouble coming to me.

Having many friends that are cops this is generally sound advice even if you are an 80 year old man. Cops don't like any people reaching for anything. The less movements you make, the less stres they face meaning the more chance you get off on a ticket. When pulled over, you should also turn off your car and put your keys on the roof of the car.

 

[Enzom21]

So are you saying I should have made my own thread devoted to racism against white people? I think all racism sucks. Didnt realize some racism deserves more outrage than others. Being a white man, the "white girl" comments didnt sit right with me so I felt the urge to comment as it seems to be overlooked here.

Make your own thread, go wild... but once again I ask what did it have to do with that particular topic?
No one said some racism deserves more outrage than others. You often bring up racism against white people in threads where there is a discussion about racism towards blacks.

 

[chronos4590]

Having many friends that are cops this is generally sound advice even if you are an 80 year old man. Cops don't like any people reaching for anything. The less movements you make, the less stres they face meaning the more chance you get off on a ticket. When pulled over, you should also turn off your car and put your keys on the roof of the car.

While it is a good tip in general and I do see your Point. Do you see mine as well? Can't you see that I'd probably as a young black male most likely be profiled or mistaken for pulling out a gun? It seems like you're trying to dismiss that possibility, unless i'm mistaken

 

[Schattenjäger]

While it is a good tip in general and I do see your Point. Do you see mine as well? Can't you see that I'd probably as a young black male most likely be profiled or mistaken for pulling out a gun? It seems like you're trying to dismiss that possibility, unless i'm mistaken

I think it depends on some other variables in addition to your skin color.. like how you conduct yourself and how you are dressed and it also depends on the cop. If I were the cop, I'd approach all with caution
To expand on this..
If this same cop that profiled you were to pull over both a black dude who looked like Carlton Banks from Fresh Prince and also a white doo-rag wearing Marshall Mathers.. Who would this cop profile more? I say Eminem

 

[Schattenjäger]

Make your own thread, go wild... but once again I ask what did it have to do with that particular topic?
No one said some racism deserves more outrage than others. You often bring up racism against white people in threads where there is a discussion about racism towards blacks.

Since the thread was about racism, thought it was ok..no one else seemed to have a problem but you
As for your second point.. Not sure why you wrote "often" as I can't think of any other time I brought up racism against whites

 

[LuCkymoON]

I had something of an eye-opening experience when I was pulled over while riding as a passenger with a black friend. I've been pulled over on two other occasions (speeding!), and while one of them had been thoroughly unpleasant, this felt very different. I think the thing that struck me the most, aside from wasting an hour of our time for a traffic stop that was little more than an excuse for a fishing expedition (they suspected we had drugs in the vehicle because one of the headlights was out and we were acting "suspicious" because we were fidgeting while talking to them... in 20 degree weather. Idiots.), was how my friend was acting; in particular he would announce his moves before he made them, such as saying that he was taking his wallet out of his pocket or something along those lines.

I guess it sounds silly to say, but it's something where I knew in the abstract that black people have different experiences when getting pulled over than white people do, but until I actually saw how much more ridiculous it was even for something that was more tedious than anything else, I don't really think I understood it.



I think they are.

wait, only black people have to do that?

 

[Seance]

Was thinking:
Well that's just Mid-west/Southern state 'Murricans. But this happens almost everywhere, just as much in England, Europe and Australia. So sad :/

 

[Madness]

As a non-white person, I have to ask, do you folks ever wonder why it is you have this so-called white privilege in the US? Could it have to do with the fact that that when the US was founded as a country, it was done so by the nearly 3 million+ white settlers. It was estimated there were around 50,000 slaves then.

What this means is, that for the next two centuries, the already large white population grew at a large rate and we're in control of all major positions of power. It wasn't until the latter half of the 20th century that blacks and other non-whites folks were extended the same privileges.

It's like looking at Japan and then saying the people have Japanese privilege and the Koreans are shafted. Of course they will.

And then you wonder why it won't go away, can you honestly tell me, if you had 'power' you'd want to give it away or share it with anyone else?

Completely baffles me sometimes. I keep reading it over and over on forums, 'I'm so shamed of my white privilege, I wish I didn't have it, it's not fair to you'. Of course it's not fair, but anyone would love to have the 'privilege' you have in this country

 

[Iron-Lungs]

I saw this program when the white chick tried to introduce her black boyfriend to her dad in the resturant, and those dumb ass old ladies wer elike "people should stick to their race"

That's why nowadays this rings so true to me..

DTA: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7KT5hcpKWXk#t=195s

 

[Slayven]

I think it depends on some other variables in addition to your skin color.. like how you conduct yourself and how you are dressed and it also depends on the cop. If I were the cop, I'd approach all with caution
To expand on this..
If this same cop that profiled you were to pull over both a black dude who looked like Carlton Banks from Fresh Prince and also a white doo-rag wearing Marshall Mathers.. Who would this cop profile more? I say Eminem

You would be wrong. There is sentiment that a black guy in a nice car = stolen.

 

[malfcn]

It has been 2 years, and I want to say I am sorry.
My eyes have been opened more during my time here and I wanted to apologize for my posts.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Racism totally exists. But blacks are part of the problem too. They can't complain about the white man keeping them down, and then hold themselves back. Life is hard, and probably is harder in a lot of ways to be black. But I have seen enough people from any color and any place rise up. Stop using racism as an excuse or crutch. It only adds fuel to those they are trying to hurt you, but int he end you are hurting yourself.

The bolded tells me you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about and you like to generalize.

Good on you.

 

[Devolution]

Racism totally exists. But blacks are part of the problem too. They can't complain about the white man keeping them down, and then hold themselves back. Life is hard, and probably is harder in a lot of ways to be black. But I have seen enough people from any color and any place rise up. Stop using racism as an excuse or crutch. It only adds fuel to those they are trying to hurt you, but int he end you are hurting yourself.

Basically, bootstraps. Deal with it.gif.

Totally some black person's fault their adequate resume keeps getting trashed. Totally.

 

[chronos4590]

I think it depends on some other variables in addition to your skin color.. like how you conduct yourself and how you are dressed and it also depends on the cop. If I were the cop, I'd approach all with caution
To expand on this..
If this same cop that profiled you were to pull over both a black dude who looked like Carlton Banks from Fresh Prince and also a white doo-rag wearing Marshall Mathers.. Who would this cop profile more? I say Eminem

Well its funny you mention this, did you assume that i was wearing a White Doo-Rag wearing Marshall mathers while i got pulled over? It's interesting since throughout my whole high school experience I've been called "Carlton" Or "Braxton" if you've seen the Jamie Foxx show, because I suppose I didn't fit this measurable ideal of Blackness that you seem to imply that I still don't fit i suppose. And to answer your question No cause it clearly doesn't matter, Cause I've been wrongfully pulled over several times in the past anyway when i was in a neighborhood with Little to no black at all. I know that from personal experience, IDK about you since you can only say who you'd think would be pulled over more unless you want to give any kind of personal experience or example that would support what you're trying to say

Edit:

Racism totally exists. But blacks are part of the problem too. They can't complain about the white man keeping them down, and then hold themselves back

Boy it must be nice having that crystal clear privileged Glass floor while we look up at your dirty feet.
Care to give examples? How are we part of the problem. Not everyone can rise up so easily depending on where you live and your socioeconomic status is. it's not that simple. White males have had a 400 year head start on African Americans, and to think we still dont feel the effects of our oppression still is outrageous. Separate but equal was not that long ago, my grandparents had to go through it and some of them are sill here so yeah, Not too long ago

 

[Iron-Lungs]

Racism totally exists. But blacks are part of the problem too. They can't complain about the white man keeping them down, and then hold themselves back. Life is hard, and probably is harder in a lot of ways to be black. But I have seen enough people from any color and any place rise up. Stop using racism as an excuse or crutch. It only adds fuel to those they are trying to hurt you, but int he end you are hurting yourself.

This is such shit.

Total and utter shit

 

[HK-47]

Racism totally exists. But blacks are part of the problem too. They can't complain about the white man keeping them down, and then hold themselves back. Life is hard, and probably is harder in a lot of ways to be black. But I have seen enough people from any color and any place rise up. Stop using racism as an excuse or crutch. It only adds fuel to those they are trying to hurt you, but int he end you are hurting yourself.

Oh this is rich

 

[Schattenjäger]

You would be wrong. There is sentiment that a black guy in a nice car = stolen.

Well we can agree to disagree because some people would have that sentiment while others wouldn't ..to say all people think like that is wrong

Fact is there will always be some form of racism unfortunately

 

[Devolution]

Well we can agree to disagree because some people would have that sentiment while others wouldn't ..to say all people think like that is wrong

Fact is there will always be some form of racism unfortunately

What do you mean agree to disagree? Black men get pulled over for all kinds of assumed wrong doing.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Well we can agree to disagree because some people would have that sentiment while others wouldn't ..to say all people think like that is wrong

Fact is there will always be some form of racism unfortunately

And there will always be someone to redirect said racism in the opposite direction.

 

[Schattenjäger]

Well its funny you mention this, did you assume that i was wearing a White Doo-Rag wearing Marshall mathers while i got pulled over? It's interesting since throughout my whole high school experience I've been called "Carlton" Or "Braxton" if you've seen the Jamie Foxx show, because I suppose I didn't fit this measurable ideal of Blackness that you seem to imply that I still don't fit i suppose. And to answer your question No cause it clearly doesn't matter, Cause I've been wrongfully pulled over several times in the past anyway when i was in a neighborhood with Little to no black at all. I know that from personal experience, IDK about you since you can only say who you'd think would be pulled over more unless you want to give any kind of personal experience or example that would support what you're trying to say

i was making a general point with no assumptions whatsoever on what you look like - and yes I'm white and have been pulled over for no reason before many times

 

[malfcn]

It has been 2 years, and I want to say I am sorry.
My eyes have been opened more during my time here and I wanted to apologize for my posts.

 

[Schattenjäger]

What do you mean agree to disagree? Black men get pulled over for all kinds of assumed wrong doing.

So do white people

He said the sentiment is that people think the black guy stole the car.. I said some people would think that while others wouldn't
I don't think there is much room for discussion with him

 

[Devolution]

So do white people

He said the sentiment is that people think the black guy stole the car.. I said some people would think that while others wouldn't
I don't think there is much room for discussion with him

No sorry white people are not assumed to be stealing their own car like black folks are. This is some obtuse crap right here.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Blacks or whatever race or who ever is complaining. Can everyone get ahead? No. There are some people that are just fucked. It is sad, because that person could have been something great.

I am not trying to generalize. But there is a lot of potential lost for no good reason. The system needs to change. The biggest problem is trying to educate how education can help things. When a family or neighborhood refuses to do any schooling that is their problem. Don't complain about not being able to read because you would rather hang out.

Yeah!

Those pesky Blacks hanging out when they should be in school.

The whole lot of them!

And then blaming the White man for lack of education!

GET IT TOGETHER, GROUCH!

 

[Freshmaker]

The attitude that he is angered over is FAR more toxic, however.

They were alseep in their own car. They had the cops called on them.

Why?

Sleeping people will rob you obviously.

 

[Iron-Lungs]

Blacks or whatever race or who ever is complaining. Can everyone get ahead? No. There are some people that are just fucked. It is sad, because that person could have been something great.

I am not trying to generalize. But there is a lot of potential lost for no good reason. The system needs to change. The biggest problem is trying to educate how education can help things. When a family or neighborhood refuses to do any schooling that is their problem. Don't complain about not being able to read because you would rather hang out.



That's some bs.

The stupid thing tha tyou aren't understanding, especially about these videos and life in general that it is indeed that 'blacks' who have "made it" who are experiencing this BS racist attitude

I suggest you just stop now because you aren't making any sense at all

 

[Lv99 Slacker]

You would be wrong. There is sentiment that a black guy in a nice car = stolen.

Oh, this reminds me...

My dad is a real estate broker who likes to dress sharp and drives a nice Benz. On my brother's birthday, while they were driving around, I think, Washington Heights (NY), they were suddenly surrounded by patrol cars. The police thought my dad was a Dominican drug lord.

 

[malfcn]

It has been 2 years, and I want to say I am sorry.
My eyes have been opened more during my time here and I wanted to apologize for my posts.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Oh, this reminds me...

My dad is a real estate broker who likes to dress sharp and drives a nice Benz. On my brother's birthday, while they were driving around, I think, Washington Heights (NY), they were suddenly surrounded by patrol cars. The police thought my dad was a Dominican drug lord.

Well, this could have happened to anyone of any race, right Schattenjäger?

 

[Schattenjäger]

No sorry white people are not assumed to be stealing their own car like black folks are. This is some obtuse crap right here.

No I said white people get pulled over for no reason too

 

[ryutaro's mama]

I wasn't commenting on the video, as I just watched it. The video is awful. I would have reported the vandalism regardless of who they were. Reporting people for sleeping in there car assuming probable cause to rob is atrocious.

Maybe they should have been in school instead of sleeping in a car while their family filmed a segment for ABC.

Blacks bring these problems on themselves.

 

[Schattenjäger]

Well, this could have happened to anyone of any race, right Schattenjäger?

Yes - and it has

 

[Devolution]

Maybe they should have been in school instead of sleeping in a car while their family filmed a segment for ABC.

Blacks bring these problems on themselves.

They probably stole the car they were sleeping in too. Those hoodlums.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Yes - and it has

In equal numbers, clearly.

 

[malfcn]

It has been 2 years, and I want to say I am sorry.
My eyes have been opened more during my time here and I wanted to apologize for my posts.

 

[Tim the Wiz]

Racism totally exists. But blacks are part of the problem too. They can't complain about the white man keeping them down, and then hold themselves back. Life is hard, and probably is harder in a lot of ways to be black. But I have seen enough people from any color and any place rise up. Stop using racism as an excuse or crutch. It only adds fuel to those they are trying to hurt you, but int he end you are hurting yourself.

This is lazy, lazy reasoning. More evidence critical thinking should be taught in schools.

 

[Schattenjäger]

In equal numbers, clearly.

Didnt say that
You didn't mention numbers

 

[Mumei]

That's how cops make sure you aren't pulling out any guns or anything. I saw a video once about what you should do if you get pulled over and declaring what you were doing was part of it.

It makes cops feel safe.

Yes, I understood why he was doing it.

I think my point (I don't know if I really had a point or if it was just an anecdote about an experience but hey) was that he seemed to have given this - what to say, what to do, how to answer questions - a lot more thought than I had. It was more an example of a larger pattern; it wasn't the point in and of itself. And the other part of it was the cops; when I have been pulled over it has been for speeding (twice) and it resulted in a) officers yelled at the first time, b) getting a ticket the second time. When we were pulled over for a headlight being out, it resulted in three or four cop cars arriving and nearly ten officers; the experiences were nothing alike.

I guess it is hard to explain it, sorry.

 

[Devolution]

Yes, I understood why he was doing it.

I think my point (I don't know if I really had a point or if it was just an anecdote about an experience but hey) was that he seemed to have given this - what to say, what to do, how to answer questions - a lot more thought than I had. It was more an example of a larger pattern; it wasn't the point in and of itself. And the other part of it was the cops; when I have been pulled over it has been for speeding (twice) and it resulted in a) officers yelled at the first time, b) getting a ticket the second time. When we were pulled over for a headlight being out, it resulted in three or four cop cars arriving and nearly ten officers; the experiences were nothing alike.

I guess it is hard to explain it, sorry.

The phenomenon isn't that hard to explain to people who don't wish to be obtuse about it.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Didnt say that
You didn't mention numbers

By saying that this happens to White people too is trying to draw a false equivalence and it serves no purpose in this conversation.

Do White people get pulled over for no reason? Sure.

Does a White guy get pulled over for driving a nice car because the police think he may be a Dominican drug lord? Probably not.

Do people call 911 cause 2 White guys are asleep in a car? Probably not.

It's like making an counter argument that men get raped, just like women.

Of course but c'mon man...these things are hardly equal.

 

[chronos4590]

Blacks or whatever race or who ever is complaining. Can everyone get ahead? No. There are some people that are just fucked. It is sad, because that person could have been something great.

I am not trying to generalize. But there is a lot of potential lost for no good reason. The system needs to change. The biggest problem is trying to educate how education can help things. When a family or neighborhood refuses to do any schooling that is their problem. Don't complain about not being able to read because you would rather hang out.



That's some bs.

"God damn those blacks for being so damn poor. Damn them for their families not having the same resources for help as whites to get them in places in society. Damn them for going to work for insane shifts so their parents are never around and their schools not having the money for extra curricular activities to to low funding by the state, so they gotta go out and Loiter around doing nothing. 400 years ago they were told them they weren't allowed to read and now they can and they still don't want to. Damn them for not being so privileged. Damn them to hell cause i tried to help them, but they only offend my privilege.

When i read your post that's what I see. Because you don't seem to understand that there is so much more to the problem than you think there is. And your words are not helpful, they're problematic. Even if you're not racist (I am not calling you one) But these ideas DO stem from racist ideas imbedded in our society

 

[Schattenjäger]

By saying that this happens to White people too is trying to draw a false equivalence and it serves no purpose in this conversation.

Do White people get pulled over for no reason? Sure.

Does a White guy get pulled over for driving a nice car because the police think he may be a Dominican drug lord? Probably not.

Do people call 911 cause 2 White guys are asleep in a car? Probably not.

It's like making an counter argument that men get raped, just like women.

Of course but c'mon man...these things are hardly equal.

it served a purpose in my conversation with Slayven since he was so absolute in his comments about my views with the other dude