I see, that's enough to notice I suppose. Just a few days ago I was messing around with Tomb Raider (2013), and found that the borderless window performance with TressFX enabled was about 25% higher in certain spots than that of exclusive fullscreen. It's like you said, it must vary quite a bit depending on what you're running.
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Watch_Dogs PC Performance Thread
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I see, that's enough to notice I suppose. Just a few days ago I was messing around with Tomb Raider (2013), and found that the borderless window performance with TressFX enabled was about 25% higher in certain spots than that of exclusive fullscreen. It's like you said, it must vary quite a bit depending on what you're running.
Denton
Member
I'm just guessing at the cause, but it could be explained by at what point in the render process the software you're using is taking its frame-rate reading.
For example, in a true triple buffering design, the GPU is permitted to render as fast as it can and if you add Vsync, the output will be synchronised to the display. The GPU renders to two back buffers, either of which can be flipped to the front buffer for display. If a completed frame is not needed by the display, then it's dropped from one of the back buffers. This way the display gets its 60Hz update and the GPU can churn out frames as fast as possible.
If windowed borderless mode uses a technique like this and if your frame-rate counter is taking its reading from the back buffer, then it'll display >60fps at times, while the out put is actually synced to 60Hz. For this theory to be correct, it would mean Aero desktop display uses true triple buffering + vsync, so who knows?
Huh...so Fraps is actually displaying framerate that does not get drawn? huh.
I found this:
http://superuser.com/questions/558007/how-does-windows-aero-prevent-screen-tearing
They write there that double buffering is used, but that makes no sense since framerate does not drop to 30. It must be triple buffer I guess.
One more advantage of borderless window - when I play in fullscreen with Aero enabled, I almost always get error message couple minutes after starting a game (not just WD, many games):
This error drives me up the wall, if I could murder someone at MS for doing this, I would.
I get around it by disabling desktop composition (aero) in each game's exe file, but it is still annoying as hell when it happens.
And with borderless windowed, it does not happen! yay
(this error only started appearing after I got TV and started using dual screen setup, with 24" LCD being secondary and 55" TV being set as primary. When I only had LCD, I never got this error)
It's just a theory that's probably hokum. In fact that Anandtech article on triple buffering says that FRAPS records the rate from the front buffer and so will underreport the frame-rate in this scenario. I suppose FRAPS could have changed since 2009, but that software hardly ever gets an update of any kind.
You got hacked.
jacksepticeye
Member
all joke aside... i want a refund at this point and i haven't even played the game.
uplay sucks so hard.
FunkyMunkey
Banned
What's Dennis' gpu/cpu set up again? Looks like it's time to upgrade soon *wallet disintegrates*
But he is playing at peasant tier 30 FPS.
dr_rus
Member
That's quite possible. Never liked SLI/CF because of a lot of such issues.
770 can't do 60 at my res, I'm floating around 30-45 with everything at max (High/Ultra). Didn't play much yet but haven't seen that much stuttering to complain about it.
jacksepticeye
Member
I hate having to "knock down" enemies. Can't I just fucking kill them?
ShotSkydiver
Member
This game runs beautifully on my 13" Retina MacBook Pro with Intel Iris 5100 graphics and by beautifully I mean 20 FPS on all low settings at 1280x800
I'll take it
I'll take it
Thanks, no sweetfx, just vanilla visuals. I think time of day in-game was around 5pm/1700, iirc.
maneil99
Member
Medium settings. 1 Gb of VRAM will be a pain in the ass. The 5970 is advertizes as 2gb but its just a bunch of PR. Your GPUs can only access one modules VRAM.
alright, i installed msi AB and open on screen display, i used the frame limiter of the app and lock it to 60 and to my surprise the stutter is gone, i remember doing this same thing with darksiders 2
EDIT: does anyone knows how to hide the frame counter in on screen display msi afterburner? i know fraps is F12 but ive tried everything on this to no luck
EDIT: does anyone knows how to hide the frame counter in on screen display msi afterburner? i know fraps is F12 but ive tried everything on this to no luck
jacksepticeye
Member
This game can look mighty pretty at times
SuperEpicGuy
Banned
Well shelling out money for a 690 and 3970x I'd expect stutter free too.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Can I ask what outfit that is??Few hours played, some stutter, mostly while driving, not too bad from what I've seen so far. Running mostly smooth.
Windows 7
2600K (4.5ghz)
780 3GB (1150 core/6.5ghz memory)
8GB RAM (1333mhz)
1920x1200
Getting mostly 50-60fps with ultra everything, hbao and shaders high, DoF on, motion blur off (preference), temporal smaa.
It's the Blume Agent outfit. (DLC)
This is weird as hell but here it goes... After adding -disablepagefilecheck which I've heard is placebo, I was still getting stuttering in 1080p on high. I increased resolution to 1440p and the stuttering disappeared on High and is barely noticeable on Ultra and using AA. I've posted specs a couple of times but here they are again:
GTX 780 Ti SC
i5-4670k
8GB ram
GTX 780 Ti SC
i5-4670k
8GB ram
Go to 'settings', 'on-screen display', type in hot hey of your choice next to 'toggle on-screen display.'
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
It's going to look like ass because of the microstutter below 60fps. Ironically, I had to retire my 5850s because of my CPU and not VRAM.
Dave_6
Member
Ok after messing around tonight, my crashing/freezing issue has something to do with the 2nd campaign marker on the map (where Aiden's wife calls about a party). I can play this game as long as I want but as soon as I get to within a few blocks of that 'marker' the game freezes up. Every time. WTF?
Until I figure out what is causing it, I don't guess I'll be getting any farther with story unlocks...
Until I figure out what is causing it, I don't guess I'll be getting any farther with story unlocks...
thanks a lot!
plumpblumpkin
Member
So, has anyone with a 780 setup been able to get 60fps consistently? and what settings??
maneil99
Member
Im fine @ ultra 1241mhz SMAA 50-70 Fps.
So I had a (relatively) smooth session for about a hour or so earlier. I've settled on using High textures,motion blur off, AA off. Everything else has been left at Ultra. I've left SLI on. Still some hitching here and there but other than that it was a pretty pleasant experience at 4k. Plenty of driving and shooting and it held up. Lower 50s-60+ depending on what was going on.
I also downloaded the X360 Wired Controller driver. I did not have that installed yesterday when my controller was acting weird. Today I had no issues after installing that driver. No W8 driver so I grabbed W7 64-bit and it worked fine.
I also downloaded the X360 Wired Controller driver. I did not have that installed yesterday when my controller was acting weird. Today I had no issues after installing that driver. No W8 driver so I grabbed W7 64-bit and it worked fine.
Insano Jaco
Neo Member
SchmittyThePirate
Neo Member
Nice. Does that include fire hydrants with water sources that don't pass through objects and pedestrians?
So performance wise I have finally everything sorted out.
I'm running the game at 2560x1440 downscaled to 1080p, everything set to high, HBAO+ low, capped at 45fps and v-sync forced through nvinspector at 1/2 refresh rate and play the game at a steady 30fps(tried limiting the frames at 31 instead of 45 but even though v-sync was forced it still teared horribly).
I noticed though, no matter if v-sync is turned off/on, the game has some atrocious mouse smoothing and inverted acceleration. Didn't notice it at first until I had my first gunfight, it's as if the game is handlig mouse movement like an analogue stick.
Anyone know how to fix that?
I'm running the game at 2560x1440 downscaled to 1080p, everything set to high, HBAO+ low, capped at 45fps and v-sync forced through nvinspector at 1/2 refresh rate and play the game at a steady 30fps(tried limiting the frames at 31 instead of 45 but even though v-sync was forced it still teared horribly).
I noticed though, no matter if v-sync is turned off/on, the game has some atrocious mouse smoothing and inverted acceleration. Didn't notice it at first until I had my first gunfight, it's as if the game is handlig mouse movement like an analogue stick.
Anyone know how to fix that?
KaiserAlucard
Neo Member
If you put textures at medium and everything else in Ultra your game will run smoothly. Don't go too high with AA though.
Morphine_OD
Banned
2600k 4.3 Ghz
8Gb RAM 2333
780GTX 1Ghz
With some tweaks to page checks, the game runs beautifully on 2xTXAA and Ultra textures, but sometimes has stutter during district transitions, probably due to flushing previous environment textures and loading the new ones. IMO there is something wrong with the algorithm, because 3Gbs of VRAM should be enough and I heard people complaining about the same stutters with 4Gbs.
8Gb RAM 2333
780GTX 1Ghz
With some tweaks to page checks, the game runs beautifully on 2xTXAA and Ultra textures, but sometimes has stutter during district transitions, probably due to flushing previous environment textures and loading the new ones. IMO there is something wrong with the algorithm, because 3Gbs of VRAM should be enough and I heard people complaining about the same stutters with 4Gbs.
Dries
Member
Are there comparison pics for texture quality somewhere? If I can play 35-40 fps with High textures I'd totally go for that.
I was able to run everything at Ultra except textures, which was at High, and temporal SMAA, and lock it to 30fps with:
i5 2500k @ 4.5 GHz
2GB GTX 670
8GB RAM
You should be fine.
d00d3n
Member
How do you tweak page checks? I have similar specs, but SLI. Gave up trying to optimize performance after only getting about 30fps with ultra and no anti-aliasing, but glad to hear that some people are getting the game to run properly. Btw, what fps do you get in fraps?
The issue with getting any benefit from SLI remains I guess, but that is a problem for another day ...
KaiserAlucard
Neo Member
The problem with high textures is that you'll certainly have stuttering and mini freezes. The game is much more stable with medium textures, maybe it will be adressed in a future patch. The thing is, cards with only 2Gb VRAM seem to really struggle here.
Here's a comparison between Medium and High textures.
http://international.download.nvidia.com/geforce-com/international/comparisons/watch-dogs/watch-dogs-textures-comparison-1-high-vs-medium.html
I find it funny that this game runs waaaay better than AC4 on my setup:
i7 3610QM 2.3GHz
16GB RAM
single GTX 670M 3GB
@1080p
By which I mean that on medium setting (and ultra textures) I can get a rock solid 30fps and if I halve the resolution- rock solid 60fps. This was simply impossible in AC4 as even on low+800x600 the game refused to run above 50fps in all areas, and anything below 60 felt clunky as all hell. With the pagecheck parameter WD runs without a hitch for the most part, without anything too severe. And even those 30fps feel really nice almost as if the game was coded correctly or something unthinkable like that
i7 3610QM 2.3GHz
16GB RAM
single GTX 670M 3GB
@1080p
By which I mean that on medium setting (and ultra textures) I can get a rock solid 30fps and if I halve the resolution- rock solid 60fps. This was simply impossible in AC4 as even on low+800x600 the game refused to run above 50fps in all areas, and anything below 60 felt clunky as all hell. With the pagecheck parameter WD runs without a hitch for the most part, without anything too severe. And even those 30fps feel really nice almost as if the game was coded correctly or something unthinkable like that
Morphine_OD
Banned
Here's a link.
http://www.gameranx.com/updates/id/22134/article/watch-dogs-pc-graphics-tweaks-guide/
I meant that -disablepagefilecheck thing. I can say that my game runs at 40-50 fps most of the time, and about 60 when the scene is simple. I run the game at 1080p, and I don't use frame buffering and VSYNC. Turning off TXAA completely makes it lock out at 60 fps and further minimizes the stutter.