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Watch_Dogs reviews

hlhbk

Member
I don't understand why people can't accept that some people feel lied to about the game? This is a very similar bait and switch at least graphically that Aliens Colonial Marines pulled.
 
We have officially transcended sarcasm. I think this post is actually legit..

So what happens when it reviews well? DmC reviewed extremely well and it was still written off by Gaf. Who can we trust? This is only confirming the cartoonish nature of the cynicism going on here. If it does well, paid off reviews. If it does badly, people will have validated their denial of the game and continue with new ammunition. What is the end game here?

This thread is pretty hilarious. I can't even tell is this post is real or not.

Well that's my piece. I think it's not difficult to understand: Watch Dogs footage pre-embargo lift looks pretty bad to alot of people (myself included). Maybe that footage sells the game short and it's actually good, let's wait and see.
I think it's pretty hilarious the collective meltdown everyone is having over the fact that a super hyped game may turn out to be a turd. It's happened before.
 

JLeack

Banned
I don't understand why people can't accept that some people feel lied to about the game? This is a very similar bait and switch at least graphically that Aliens Colonial Marines pulled.

Have you even played Watch Dogs? I've done missions that were similar to what was in the reveal and everything was just about as good as a demo shown two full years before release on top of the line hardware... Despite me playing on Xbox ONE. Explosions, gameplay, mechanics, the whole nine yards.
 

wenis

Registered for GAF on September 11, 2001.
I don't understand why people can't accept that some people feel lied to about the game? This is a very similar bait and switch at least graphically that Aliens Colonial Marines pulled.

It's not that they can't accept it it's just that there's a lot of factors at work. I can say at the studio, most likely, they're not excited about these differences. No one in the industry wants to put out "inferior" or "downgraded" products out into the market, but that's how it is in the tech business. Shit shifts, issues can't be fixed, time is of the essence always.

Nothing is ever going to be perfect or the way the consumer (developer) wants. That's why they get the ultimate choice, buying the product or not and telling the publisher and developers they won't stand for the advertising practice of showing a game too soon with too big of a goal in mind, but without the proper time to get it done.

This gaffe (if you want to call it that) has probably been discussed in circles at Ubisoft (which is why we'll see The Division in 2016 and not this year or next). They probably finally decided that these (new gen) giant AAA games need a lot of time in the oven and if they don't get it they'll get a very pissed off user base and developers hankering for more time to deliver a product they can be proud of.

Basically, no one is going to be happy, enjoy what you get for now and hope for the best next time. Stay skeptical, don't get so lost in hype that you cant see the forest for the trees and remember games take time, money and man power to make. There are a lot of fingers in the pie and sometimes somebody is going to slip and we'll end up here again.
 

hlhbk

Member
Have you even played Watch Dogs? I've done missions that were similar to what was in the reveal and everything was just about as good as a demo shown two full years before release on top of the line hardware... Despite me playing on Xbox ONE. Explosions, gameplay, mechanics, the whole nine yards.

Is it identical graphically?
 
I don't understand why people can't accept that some people feel lied to about the game? This is a very similar bait and switch at least graphically that Aliens Colonial Marines pulled.

I wouldn't go that far, for the simple fact that Ubisoft has had the decency to show graphically inferior footage long before its release.

It is a bummer though. That GTAIV comparison video especially turned me off. If that is maxed out on PC as suggested, then wow.
 

Gaz_RB

Member
I wouldn't go that far, for the simple fact that Ubisoft has had the decency to show graphically inferior footage long before its release.

It is a bummer though. That GTAIV comparison video especially turned me off. If that is maxed out on PC as suggested, then wow.

The video is comparing the worst that Watchdogs has to offer against the best of GTA. While all the little details are definitely better in GTA4, I don't think that video is really representative of WD graphically, and I'm playing on PS4. I highly doubt it is maxed out PC footage.
 

hlhbk

Member
It's not that they can't accept it it's just that there's a lot of factors at work. I can say at the studio, most likely, they're not excited about these differences. No one in the industry wants to put out "inferior" or "downgraded" products out into the market, but that's how it is in the tech business. Shit shifts, issues can't be fixed, time is of the essence always.

Nothing is ever going to be perfect or the way the consumer (developer) wants. That's why they get the ultimate choice, buying the product or not and telling the publisher and developers they won't stand for the advertising practice of showing a game too soon with too big of a goal in mind, but without the proper time to get it done.

This gaffe (if you want to call it that) has probably been discussed in circles at Ubisoft (which is why we'll see The Division in 2016 and not this year or next). They probably finally decided that these (new gen) giant AAA games need a lot of time in the oven and if they don't get it they'll get a very pissed off user base and developers hankering for more time to deliver a product they can be proud of.

Basically, no one is going to be happy, enjoy what you get for now and hope for the best next time. Stay skeptical, don't get so lost in hype that you cant see the forest for the trees and remember games take time, money and man power to make. There are a lot of fingers in the pie and sometimes somebody is going to slip and we'll end up here again.

Um I refuse to "accept what you get". The 2012 trailer was blatant false advertising. Don't show the product in a stage early in development and give us less at release.
 

tbm24

Member
Um I refuse to "accept what you get". The 2012 trailer was blatant false advertising. Don't show the product in a stage early in development and give us less at release.
Thy showed you different footage in 2013 more in line with what could be done. They did the same throughout 2014. It is the end of May 2014. Explain how Watch Dogs was falsely advertised. You got what Ubisoft showed you for the past year.
 
The video is comparing the worst that Watchdogs has to offer against the best of GTA. While all the little details are definitely better in GTA4, I don't think that video is really representative of WD graphically, and I'm playing on PS4. I highly doubt it is maxed out PC footage.

That's good to hear, because I just built a new rig and was hoping to play this. I'm assuming you can at least turn dynamic shadows on, right? That was the most jarring thing for me to see omitted from a "next gen" title.
 

Gaz_RB

Member
That's good to hear, because I just built a new rig and was hoping to play this. I'm assuming you can at least turn dynamic shadows on, right? That was the most jarring thing for me to see omitted from a "next gen" title.

No there are no dynamic shadows. It sucks. There might be a setting on PC but idk
 
I just hope they deliver on their incessant talk about a reactive game world, systemic gameplay, player expression, "the most complex emergent city ever" etc.
 
How did this game ship without the ability to shoot from the car? That's been a open world standard since GTA3 man.

It's not really something that needs to be in every sandbox game. Hacking traffic lights, steam pipes, blockers, etc and ramming the shit out of the people you're tailing is more than enough.
 
They pretty much stretched themselves too thin with all the platforms they developed for. GTA is better in terms of graphics, but Rockstar never developed for more than 2 platforms at a time. Not making excuses for how bad this game looks in certain places though.
 

wenis

Registered for GAF on September 11, 2001.
Um I refuse to "accept what you get". The 2012 trailer was blatant false advertising. Don't show the product in a stage early in development and give us less at release.

Then vote with your dollars. That's the only way they'll listen.

As for not showing products in an early state that's an industry wide concept that is still being learned, but that honestly starts more at the Advertising/Marketing level.
 

Gurrry

Member
fugg da hataz

i cant wait to play this game tomorrow.. its been awhile since ive gotten some use out of my next gen hardware. it might not be what we thought it was going to be initially, but oh well, life goes on.
 
I don't mind early trailers...

The problem with Colonial Marines is that they didn't address the downgrade at all (and the game was awful).

Ubisoft already has quite a lot and by most accounts the game is pretty good.
 

hlhbk

Member
Thy showed you different footage in 2013 more in line with what could be done. They did the same throughout 2014. It is the end of May 2014. Explain how Watch Dogs was falsely advertised. You got what Ubisoft showed you for the past year.

I preordered based on the 2012 footage. There is no way gameplay graphics should look worse as development goes on.
 

drotahorror

Member
Um I refuse to "accept what you get". The 2012 trailer was blatant false advertising. Don't show the product in a stage early in development and give us less at release.

What about all those (assuming you had consoles) 360/ps3 games you bought that were shown running on high end PC's at e3 for the past 3 or 4 years?
 

Novocaine

Member
It reads like "There are some interesting concepts happening in this game but nearly everything else sucks.

4/5 gold must have game of the year"

This is basically why I stopped giving credibility to reviews (aside from a select few reviewers I can trust). What a load of nonsense.
 
I don't for a second feel that Ubi bait and switched with Watch Dogs. I'm expecting to be impressed with the graphics when I pop it into my PS4 tomorrow, and from what I can tell from the previews I've seen this will be the case. I like that there seems to be many npcs and cars on screen at any given time, I'm excited about how 'dense' the city will be when I get to finally play.
 

Kuni

Member
Don't suppose we know what time the embargo is up? Is it 00:01 for example.... wait does each country have their own embargoes or is it the same time globally?

My head is spinning already. Nonetheless I won't buy it until I actually have an indication that it's actually possibly maybe decent. Funny enough though this may be the first time I buy a game from an actual shop in ... years.
 
The negatives definitly outweigh the positive yet its getting pretty good scores.
You base this on what, exactly? Even if you've already played it you can't make a declarative statement regarding someone else'ss subjective quality measure. That's not how it works. If you've got a professional review you've written up please post it or where it is and ask it get added to the OP, otherwise comments like this serve no purpose.
 

Markitron

Is currently staging a hunger strike outside Gearbox HQ while trying to hate them to death
Have you even played Watch Dogs? I've done missions that were similar to what was in the reveal and everything was just about as good as a demo shown two full years before release on top of the line hardware... Despite me playing on Xbox ONE. Explosions, gameplay, mechanics, the whole nine yards.

This is good to hear, looking forward to tomorrow just a little bit more now.

Don't suppose we know what time the embargo is up? Is it 00:01 for example.... wait does each country have their own embargoes or is it the same time globally?

My head is spinning already. Nonetheless I won't buy it until I actually have an indication that it's actually possibly maybe decent. Funny enough though this may be the first time I buy a game from an actual shop in ... years.


Embargoes are usually global (can't remember one that wasn't) but often the time zones quoted can be quite confusing. Don't suppose anyone knows the GMT time?
 
The negatives definitly outweigh the positive yet its getting pretty good scores.

This happens a lot with hyped up AAA games I feel. This is why it's so important to be able to read between the lines of most of these reviews that have scores attached to them. Because a game that gets a 9.5/10 can still have a load of potentially deal breaking stuff that suggests it doesn't deserve such high praise to begin with.

In this case shoddy AI, an uncharismatic protagonist (admittedly this is more subjective than other criticisms) and being rewarded more generously for a sloppy play style are all things that fly directly in the face of some of the scores and "must have" praise we're seeing.

This is why I ignore scores and instead dive right into the text. They don't do anything but convolute an otherwise sound critique.
 

bishoptl

Banstick Emeritus
Have you even played Watch Dogs? I've done missions that were similar to what was in the reveal and everything was just about as good as a demo shown two full years before release on top of the line hardware... Despite me playing on Xbox ONE. Explosions, gameplay, mechanics, the whole nine yards.
You still owe me a PM. Waiting.
 

hlhbk

Member
This is good to hear, looking forward to tomorrow just a little bit more now.




Embargoes are usually global (can't remember one that wasn't) but often the time zones quoted can be quite confusing. Don't suppose anyone knows the GMT time?

do they not let people cancel preorders? It might not be too late.

I like the concept so I won't be canceling. I won't stop letting my voice be heard however.
 

hlhbk

Member
I don't for a second feel that Ubi bait and switched with Watch Dogs. I'm expecting to be impressed with the graphics when I pop it into my PS4 tomorrow, and from what I can tell from the previews I've seen this will be the case. I like that there seems to be many npcs and cars on screen at any given time, I'm excited about how 'dense' the city will be when I get to finally play.

Go back and watch the 2012 trailer and let me know if it looks the same when you play tomorrow
 
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