Baemono
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WC/Jez: Microsoft's ambitious new Xbox: Your entire Xbox console library, the full power of Windows PC gaming, and no multiplayer paywall
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RetroGamingUK
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There's a long overlap here due to the upcoming cross-gen period following a late 2027 launch.
These next gen "Xbox" Windows machines will use Magnus SoC for both PC games and Xbox games.
The PC games will make full use of Magnus' capabilities, both high end current-gen and next-gen PC games running on Win32. This is the long term solution.
The Xbox games will make limited use of Magnus' capabilities, there will likely be about 3/4 years worth of new Xbox Series games (CoD, EAFC, Madden etc) that will continue to use XboxERA and will run on both these Windows machines and Series X/S.
Once they stop making Xbox Series games XboxERA dies and the Xbox console platform era comes to an end.
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crazyriddler
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I like SteamOS, but I prefer a curated version of Windows for gaming, fewer headaches.
RetroGamingUK
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There was a mockup of Steam games in the Xbox app/experience floating around. More likely it'll work just like ROG Ally
Either...
1. Hold "Xbox" logo button on controller and select "Windows Desktop"
or
2. Press Win key on keyboard to go to desktop
...then use Steam as you would on any other PC.
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nowhat
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It makes perfect sense from a logic POV. "Don't buy our hardware and don't buy software on our store" equals "Don't (buy our hardware or buy software on our store)" - the latter form is a viable advertising strategy, they just forgot to remove the negation from the equation.
MisterXDTV
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But even if devs keep making Series console games until 2030 (and I don't think they will)
Why would people keep buying worse versions of games compared to the PC versions that can make use of all of Magnus power??
You are gonna use back compat only for old games you already own or games that don't have a PC version available, that's it
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RetroGamingUK
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That comes down to Store policy.
Say the Series version of GTA comes out May 2026, you buy it, then PC version comes out May 2027.
This thing comes out Nov 2027, you already own the inferior Xbox console version, as it's not a "Play Anywhere" title, you're stuck with the Xbox version on this device unless you buy it again.
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midnightAI
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Late to the party but....
(but we'll see)
(but we'll see)
RetroGamingUK
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They wouldn't, and they likely wouldn't appear on the store/app unless you'd already bought them on console and they're in your library.
MisterXDTV
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Sure but it's a single case out of a million
Because Rockstar delays the PC version
And just because for some reason you already bought the Series version
RetroGamingUK
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Yes, bear in mind both console and PC versions will likely be out before this thing launches.
Markio128
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I managed to build my own PC without any prior knowledge or experience, but it was worth it for many reasons, one of them being cost. It wasn't that difficult. My dad still builds his own. I think those more inclined to game on PC are likely to be competent.
Obviously I can't give a percentage.
It could be that the majority would just upgrade the entire thing, but would they want an Xbox PC, if there is such a thing?
I suspect it'll be more niche than the current console.
Markio128
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I'm not going to get into a fanboy argument over Xbox and PS as that is a moot point. Not sure why you feel the need to bring that up.
I get it could be useful for your needs, but my argument is how niche that need is.
Now if Nintendo put their entire back catalogue on a Ninty PC, then we could be talking.
DenchDeckard
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Theres millions of customers in the same boat as me, its not niche as you are making out when you think about it. Plus, I wasnt fanboying I was just stating the facts of how we are seeing performance of games this year on series X hardware and how that proves it was a great forward thinking console. It was actually ahead of its time. If you think differently thats fine, but my point is it is based on reality. I was talking about hardware and not how shit their software is.
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Markio128
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It is pretty niche when you consider a lot of Series owners are probably using Gamepass and don't have an extensive library like you.
And let's be honest. If MS had their entire catalogue on Gamepass, they would probably charge you the cost of a game each month.
And….. PC gamers are probably able to emulate most of the classic Xbox games already.
All things considered, I'm happy to die on the niche hill.
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HeisenbergFX4
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I dont think its as niche as people say either IF its a decently priced prebuilt 5080ish machine with Xbox BC onboard
Kind of opens up to anyone who wants a new PC
It's not an Xbox though
HerjansEagleFeeder
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Pretty sure you won't be able to install a different OS on it, either. Microsoft has even more control over this machine than they do in the regular PC space already, where certain hardware parts must conform to some arbitrary "security" standards.
Markio128
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I'll die on that niche hill. I'd argue that most Series owners are using Gamepass and are not reliant on an extensive library.
Edit: sorry for the (kind of) double post. Not sure what happened there.
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RetroGamingUK
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Phil Spencer bemoaned losing the generation where people built their digital libraries.
Then gave people zero incentive to build a library the following generation
Punished Miku
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Just depends how you want to spin it. GP is a way for someone not invested in Xbox to instantly have a library of hundreds of games and "catch up" instantly.
Ar¢tos
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exactly! for someone still blaming mattrick after a whole decade, this moron sure made it pretty convenient for his userbase to jump ship next gen, by betting everything on a rental service
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RetroGamingUK
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And when you stop paying, it's gone.
When you leave the Xbox ecosystem entirely, you've lost nothing.
It's like when my local Blockbuster (who I'd been a member of for years) shut, I didn't care. If someone stole my huge Blu-ray collection then I would.
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Markio128
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Hence why, as long as PS6 allows PS4/5 libraries to continue, I'll likely be going in that direction. If not, they can suck my balls as well.
DenchDeckard
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Just the same as having to buy the PS6 remaster version over the standard PS5 version. I don't really see a difference.
Well, you are probably right but I am sure myself,
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HeisenbergFX4
and many more have purchases going all the way back to the OG Xbox that I would prefer not to lose. I currently have a series X and that might be my last Xbox home thing that I plug into a tv as it covers all my old purchases. If its a new device and its actually good, ill consider it.
I really dont understand how people cant be excited to see new stuff in their new hobby. I wanna see all the tech, its not like I have to buy it but Im not going to call it shit before I even know what it factually is.
IllegalLemon
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With raster performance in line with a 9070xt and RT performance in the same ballpark as the 5080 (if memory serves as per the Kepler leaks) plus some rdna 5 tweaks, this would be great and at the top end of pre-builts, if it released today. In two years, when this finally releases, those gpu's will be considered mid-range and there will already be more powerful hardware on the pc side. Not to mention that the GDDR7 VRAM(which will be in both consoles) will be considered yester-year's tech by 2027.
People can dream, but PC hardware always leaves consoles in the dust by the time the new gen drops. Well, at least their cpu's will be inline with the PC will have at the lower to upper midrange part of the spectrum, so that's a plus, but, will it be enough to persuade a pc user to give MS new shiny piece of plastic a shot? I don't think so, even with steam supposedly being baked in and integrated as a storefront. Let's also not forget that part of what makes a PC desirable, is its modularity/upgradability and its capacity to enable the installation of other OS'es or enable custom workflows with much heavier apps, which consoles don't have, even at the most basic level. But hey, a PC is also an Xbox because it runs windows and has gamepass right, right???
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Ar¢tos
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It probably won't have a disc drive (if it exists, it will be a separate purchase), that alone will drive away those that are really keen on BC.Just the same as having to buy the PS6 remaster version over the standard PS5 version. I don't really see a difference.
Well, you are probably right but I am sure myself,
If its a new device and its actually good, ill consider it.
I really dont understand how people cant be excited to see new stuff in their new hobby. I wanna see all the tech, its not like I have to buy it but Im not going to call it shit before I even know what it factually is.
DenchDeckard
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Now this makes complete sense to me. I agree but I can see a Magnus profile being added for this next box that better uses the specs. then beyond that, I think you are 100% on the money.
hououinkyouma00
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Think about it from a mainstream POV and not from Neogaf/niche gaming enthusiast forum POV. Linux has like 6% of PC market share so even if 100% of that is gaming it's still negligible so installing a different OS on it is not important at all lol.
Now there is definitely something to be said about how much control Microsoft may have over the machine versus a standard Windows computer as they are already trying to get rid of offline accounts on Windows 11 machines in general but installing a different OS is such a niche concern that it doesn't matter in the slightest.
I'm open to it as somebody that is into ITX PCs (I assume it would be something console sized so akin to ITX) and has an extensive Xbox console library. It all depends on cost though because I've been into PC since I was a little kid in the late 90s and I've built PC for 20 years so it would have to essentially allow me to combine my PC and my Xbox for a price that is reasonable enough for me to not be able to upgrade the pc for a period of time.
MarV0
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The hate for everything not related to Playstation trash is becoming unbearable.Average GAF user:
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Markio128
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Calling something shit or great before knowing what it factually is is the same thing tbh. I'm in neither camp - just wondering what the appeal would be to a mass gaming audience.Just the same as having to buy the PS6 remaster version over the standard PS5 version. I don't really see a difference.
Well, you are probably right but I am sure myself,
If its a new device and its actually good, ill consider it.
I really dont understand how people cant be excited to see new stuff in their new hobby. I wanna see all the tech, its not like I have to buy it but Im not going to call it shit before I even know what it factually is.
Also, a concern for MS would be in some of their own audience migrating to Steam.
There are more red flags this early in the tale than anything else without even considering how much this thing would cost.
DenchDeckard
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Apologies if it looked like that last comment was aimed at you, it wasnt. I was just making a general statement.
I try to be interested in everything and not negative on it until I know more. Theres too many unknowns and rumours to make a considered comment I think.
A Console / Hybrid could be cool. I just have a lot of reservations about MS at the moment. They have lied to their userbase for years and these recent events have exposed them to everyone.
HeisenbergFX4
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I guess they are targeting anyone looking for a new gaming PC that can also play older Xbox games you already own?
I dunno honestly about for the masses
No idea why would anyone choose this over just any other PCs. It's going to be inferior because its a stop gap fix for us Xbox fans.I guess they are targeting anyone looking for a new gaming PC that can also play older Xbox games you already own?
I dunno honestly about for the masses
memoryman3
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We are well into diminishing returns in terms of hardware power without increasing electricity usage. The 4090 is almost unbeaten today and it released in 2022. This Xbox hits the minimum spec in terms of "next gen" prowess (full path tracing at 1080p 30fps), whilst the PS6 might not even do that.
//DEVIL//
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Because you can upgrade the CPU and GPU in laptops, portable PCs. Mini PCs and any small box PC under the TV ?
C'mon be smarter than that.
The only PC that are upgradeable are tower PCs . And those aren't cheap.
If MS can manage to get a good deal on OEM parts or they make their own boards like Dell does for their PCs and get them out in a sleek box under the TV with a good performance per dollar ratio then why the hell not ?
MS main problem isn't their hardware.not windows it self either. It's their interface for gaming purpose only . The rog Xbox ally is a step in the right direction but it's far from perfect. They have 2 years from now to get a proper GUI out. If they manage that, they are in good position
reinking
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For me, this will be to replace my next gaming PC if I go this route.
reinking
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Did not take long for that "curated" word to catch on. I will give MS credit. They are masters at creating buzz words. (Not calling you out specifically, just seeing it a lot more)
If the current version of the OS on the ROG Xbox is where they are at when this launches, I'm fine using other launcher if it lets me. I am hopeful for much needed improvements. From what I gather, It the current form, it is not a console experience.
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Negotiator101
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That's a simplified way of describing it I suppose but I imagine it's going to take care of all the issues that arise with PC gaming and make it a streamlined console like experience. It's ambitious I'll give them that but can they pull it off?I guess they are targeting anyone looking for a new gaming PC that can also play older Xbox games you already own?
I dunno honestly about for the masses
I presume your 2026 new console prediction is off the cards now?
HeisenbergFX4
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viveks86
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Uh oh.I will admit when talking to people they would always talk about the console and the Xbox PCs as being 2 separate entities and even when Xbox and AMD made their video they talked about consoles and PCs
I guess their PR speak even in private circles was just a PC all along and yes I know people here have repeated that for a long time that all signs pointed that way
Just talking to people privately and the talk coming from people like Jez doesn't line up but I guess I will admit defeat on this one, maybe
Is K KeplerL2 the last man standing?
Ar¢tos
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Yes, GAF loved woke shit from Sony like Concord or it's GaaS obsession and said absolutely nothing about it...
MisterXDTV
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LOL
If you game on any PC, online is free today, what are you waiting for?
This shit is hilarious
You can basically do the same things today if you want to....
But an Xbox sticker changes everything....
LOL
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Punished Miku
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People here will just talk shit about anything. Curated isn't a buzz word. It's a word in the English language that has existed for quite some time. It implies some slight system UI assistance, whether that turns out to be just the updated Windows, or the fact that they'll encourage publishers to use their preset system specs for optimization, or the Unreal Engine shader updates they talked about, who knows. Steam OS is highly curated as well. Consoles are curated. It just means they're shooting for PC, with a design similar to a console.
The last few times they had "buzz words" all turned out to be meaningful improvements.
- Quick Resume
- Smart Delivery
- Play Anywhere
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viveks86
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Of course. I don't mean compatibility. This sounds like it will come bundled with it