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[FeralEcho]

You're attempting to apply reason to the unreasonable. It's not worth it.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

It’s not about not liking the character. I can see why it’s controversial

It’s when you start jumping to conclusions that it’s some sort of massively conspiratorial agenda and that you’re going to boycott the game entirely regardless of the quality of the end product just because some surface level demographic of the MC you find to be some sort of political assault

Good lord, how did we ever manage to not get offended over Perfect Dark back in the day? I didn’t care that it featured a rather butch female as James Bond. I just loved a spy thriller set in a cyberpunk dystopian world

Simpler times

If you think this is butch back in the day, then the Intergalactic character must be King Butch of the Universe.

Relax James. Instead of defending Sony as always, just have some fun with the new game having a skinhead who looks like a guy. Even EL's messages added in the first post had people referring to the character as a "he".

Everyone is having laughs together the past bunch of months over Concord, Avowed, Veilguard, Outlaws and those handful of indie DEI games that are lucky to get 20 people playing it on Steam. You have an issue just being a gamer and having laughs at funny gamer topics, especially when it's at Sony's expense.

It's ok to have some laughs when a game studio does something dumb.

 

[Mister Wolf]

We should really count how many times the race card will be pulled as an strawman argument in this threads. Apparently ugliness and baldness have a high correlation with racism.

James would probably tell me I've been brainwashed by the white man because I don't want to play as this bald headed mannish looking woman.

 

[March Climber]

James Sawyer Ford I know where your conversational path leads and I just want to give you a heads up before everyone starts to upset you too much: It's all not worth having your name crossed out at the end of the road.

 

[Nowa]

I find it funny that Sony doesn't even bother to promote their AAA game on the Playstation Japan official channel lmao

 

[LectureMaster]

I think only 30% of "Ill buy" for a ND game is pretty low ...I think that the same poll previous to TLOU2 would show a very different result ...

Spider man 2 is the first 1st party game I don't own. Borrowed from a buddy, finished in 25 hours and never looked back.

Prior to 2020, I would be damned that I would hold back for a brand new IP ND game.

 

[Danjin44]

I don’t care if she is gay or none-bindery or whatever, devs are free push any “agenda” they want with their own game….none of this culture war nonsense matters to me.

I simply don’t like design or direction they are going with this game…..Im big fan of both Cowboy Bebop and Akira and I got none of that in this trailer, it felt like much more similar to Marvel movies.

If you enjoy Marvel then you might enjoy it but I fucking HATE Marvel crap with passion and I hate the fact it infecting most entertainment media.

Do I think it sell well and get good reviews, sure and also think most people who liked ND recent works will I also enjoy this…..but for me personally I’m done, I liked their Uncharted and I even liked original Last of Us….but this shit is not for me.

 

[Akuji]

We can comment and form opinions on what we've been shown so far.

u really need to read the comments, that has nothing to do with that i said.

sure you can, but some people go batshit crazy, thats ... what iam talking about.

 

[CliffBronger]

I find Japan to be one of the most fascinating countries. Such a unique history, especially in relation to games. But, if you thought there were race issues in the west, it is much worse in Japan. Depiction of minorities in Japan, specifically referring to black people, is abhorrent. There is a reason why they are becoming the oldest country in the world with rapidly declining birthrates. It is not a welcoming country to outsiders

And as much as I agree that a game like AC Shadows deserves criticism, much of it is levied by Japanese gamers who are disgusted at the idea of playing as a black samurai

To be fair when i was in Japan, Tokyo and Hokkaido i felt very welcome everyone was very pleasant and kind and i experienced no racism (I'm white) although i did feel like a minority.

If you get the chance go visit, the stereotypical things you hear on the web are not true in my experience anyway.

 

[Three]

this game is cooked, universally hated.

Only era members and the most hardcore Sony/ND simps will play it

Universally means everyone. The poll on Neogaf says otherwise. Most will get it or wait to learn more about gameplay

I honestly don’t understand the fetishization of ugly women. Is it because most ‘nerdy’ women in development look average and they don’t want to make them feel bad? How is it virtuous to normalize ugly women in media when most people want to look at attractive characters.

I'm not sure the people who have "ugly women" in their games are the one with a fetish or fetishising anything. "Nerdy women in development" are not even ugly to be stereotyping like this. They are just not going with the stereotypical CG created "hot chick" anymore in games. It's all based on actual people and actors now and you get more normal looking people. Look at Joanna Dark for example. Her CG models previously vs her today are night and day.

 

[Fahdis]

I like that they can articulate that strong women do not need to be like men. Women are strong and feminine at the same time.

Imagine have a beautiful protagonist and also confident and caring and kind yet willing to fight for what was right.

So, a Trans man (originally a woman) in a skirt?

 

[Madflavor]

Nah.....the reception isn't good, but it isn't "universally hated". The reveal trailer had almost as many likes as dislikes. Now that isn't a good thing overall as you would want a reveal trailer to be damn near universally liked, but no need to be hyperbolic about it.

I don't wanna come off like "Hmmm acktuaaaallly" to you, but looking at the ratio on the IGN, ND and Playstation channel. it's looking like 30/70 on the like to dislike ratio. So definitely not around 50/50.

 

[shoegaze]

Sounds about right.

I'm not getting the point here from some of the posters that this is a "product" that is not for the fans that built the company by recognising ND as incredible studio from day 1?

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I find it funny that Sony doesn't even bother to promote their AAA game on the Playstation Japan official channel lmao

Of course they wont. They know the gamer base there would laugh at it. I didnt think Japanese gamers care much for shooters, but they even got Apex, OW2 and Fortnite videos there. So even those are worth uploading over Intergalactic.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Of course they wont. They know the gamer base there would laugh at it. I didnt think Japanese gamers care much for shooters, but they even got Apex, OW2 and Fortnite videos there. So even those are worth uploading over Intergalactic.

They know

 

[Topher]

I don't wanna come off like "Hmmm acktuaaaallly" to you, but looking at the ratio on the IGN, ND and Playstation channel. it's looking like 30/70 on the like to dislike ratio. So definitely not around 50/50.

Ah...really? Must have shifted a bit since I last looked. Fair enough. Still, 30% is enough, imo, to say that dislike is not "universal".

 

[Madflavor]

I don’t care if she is gay or none-bindery or whatever, devs are free push any “agenda” they want with their own game….none of this culture war nonsense matters to me.

I simply don’t like design or direction they are going with this game…..Im big fan of both Cowboy Bebop and Akira and I got none of that in this trailer, it felt like much more similar to Marvel movies.

If you enjoy Marvel then you might enjoy it but I fucking HATE Marvel crap with passion and I hate the fact it infecting most entertainment media.

Do I think it sell well and get good reviews, sure and also think most people who liked ND recent works will I also enjoy this…..but for me personally I’m done, I liked their Uncharted and I even liked original Last of Us….but this shit is not for me.

Not that I'm a fan of XQC, but I watched a clip of him recently, and he described the situation perfectly. He described the MC of Intergalactic as having NPC-Syndrome. She looks like a space pirate or some sort of enemy you'd kill in a game like this, or a random NPC you walk by in a city.

 

[vpance]

That comment about this being changed if the planning stage were happening now is right on the money. This character was conceived pre-concord/outlaws/the Musk-Trump axis proving that people hate wokery more than felons and Bond villains. Too late to change it now I guess, but it could be a shitshow.

It most likely will be a shitshow. Asmon was bringing up the point yesterday that something this heavily ratio'd or disliked on reveal has never done well or to expectations. No one could think of a game that had.

 

[Topher]

Not that I'm a fan of XQC, but I watched a clip of him recently, and he described the situation perfectly. He described the MC of Intergalactic as having NPC-Syndrome. She looks like a space pirate or some sort of enemy you'd kill in a game like this, or a random NPC you walk by in a city.

That's a good critique. She's a bit.....ordinary and undistinctive.

 

[SF Kosmo]

You may want to expand your concept of what is possible!

It's definitely strange, but mostly because it comes from a niche following being influenced by a bunch of Western grifters. It's a loud minority at the end of the day, and categorizing or conflating them as 'Japanese gamers' AS A WHOLE is very misleading, literally as relevant as Metacritic review bombers.

Yeah it's just weird, it's clear they're tuning into the same curated narratives as Americans.

 

[Dacvak]

Giving GAF Gold to EviLore be like

 

[VulcanRaven]

What is secret about showing us their brand new IP and focusing on a character that they knew would receive backlash since they did not allow comments on their video?

They shoved a character down gamers throats that they knew people wouldn’t like

We have no idea about anything you brought up, you guys can fight over those speculations all you want

They just revealed a new game. They aren't showing anything down gamers throats.

 

[LectureMaster]

James Sawyer Ford I know where your conversational path leads and I just want to give you a heads up before everyone starts to upset you too much: It's all not worth having your name crossed out at the end of the road.

My man is always kind to others but harsh on me making memes.

 

[FeralEcho]

And ND is free to make the game they want to make.

Whatever “agenda” Neil has, it certainly hasn’t hindered his success with TLOU2 or the HBO TV show. Y’all are just old man yelling at clouds at this point. Over a mixed race actress with a shaved head. Lmfao

TLOU2 sold less than the first game...yet in their previous franchise Uncharted 2 sold more than Uncharted 1....I wonder what changed to cause fans to not want to continue the story of such beloved characters like they did in Uncharted....

The reason TLOU2 was even able to do such high numbers despite not reaching the sales of the original is because ND duped their fanbase into buying the game,there were barely any scenes with Abby in the trailers previous to the launch.They masked it all,to the point they delibrrately created scenes that WERENT even in the game to dupe the consumers.

So people bought the game expecting to continue Joel and Ellie's story,they didn't buy it to play strong female character nr 1000 for 60% of the game. So if with that veil of marketing completely hiding that aspect of the game it wasn't able to do that well compared to the first game just how well do you think this game will do when the cards are all on the table and the reception has never been worse for a Naughty Dog game because of it???

To the point they release trailers with comments disabled.

 

[PeteBull]

Ah...really? Must have shifted a bit since I last looked. Fair enough. Still, 30% is enough, imo, to say that dislike is not "universal".

Checked concord's reveal/cgi trailer, its currently at 7k likes/39k dislikes on official playstation channel

Intergalactic got 79k likes/179k dislikes on the same official playstation channel, so for now 8x more ppl like it and 4,5x ppl hate it compared to concord numbers

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

TLOU2 sold less than the first game...yet in their previous franchise Uncharted 2 sold more than Uncharted 1....I wonder what changed to cause fans to not want to continue the story of such beloved characters like they did in Uncharted....

The reason TLOU2 was even able to do such high numbers despite not reaching the sales of the original is because ND duped their fanbase into buying the game,there were barely any scenes with Abby in the trailers previous to the launch.They masked it all,to the point they delibrrately created scenes that WERENT even in the game to dupe the consumers.

So people bought the game expecting to continue Joel and Ellie's story,they didn't buy it to play strong female character nr 1000 for 60% of the game. So if with that veil of marketing completely hiding that aspect of the game it wasn't able to do that well compared to the first game just how well do you think this game will do when the cards are all on the table and the reception has never been worse for a Naughty Dog game because of it???

To the point they release trailers with comments disabled.

People keep bringing this up but TLOU1 has been out for much longer and had a major remaster at a time when ps4 had no games.

It’s not like tlou2 sold like shit, it sold a ton of copies any publisher would be happy to have

HBO’s tv series was also an enormous success. It had an entire episode dedicated to a gay man. So whatever agenda they seemingly have doesn’t seem to be an issue for commercial success

 

[March Climber]

My man is always kind to others but harsh on me making memes.

Sometimes when you are serious, you're joking, and sometimes when you're joking, you are serious.

James is mostly straightforward, and also I empathize with people here who are essentially doing this:

Because it's not easy, it can be overwhelming, and I've done it plenty of times before. And if you don't play your cards right you can suddenly find your name crossed out.

 

[Porcile]

If the game is inspired by anime, my main thought is why aren't the visuals not poppy and colourful? It just looks like messy dark sludge. How do colour blind people even play modern games these days? Horrible art direction.

 

[Mister Wolf]

TLOU2 sold less than the first game...yet in their previous franchise Uncharted 2 sold more than Uncharted 1....I wonder what changed to cause fans to not want to continue the story of such beloved characters like they did in Uncharted....

The reason TLOU2 was even able to do such high numbers despite not reaching the sales of the original is because ND duped their fanbase into buying the game,there were barely any scenes with Abby in the trailers previous to the launch.They masked it all,to the point they delibrrately created scenes that WERENT even in the game to dupe the consumers.

So people bought the game expecting to continue Joel and Ellie's story,they didn't buy it to play strong female character nr 1000 for 60% of the game. So if with that veil of marketing completely hiding that aspect of the game it wasn't able to do that well compared to the first game just how well do you think this game will do when the cards are all on the table and the reception has never been worse for a Naughty Dog game because of it???

To the point they release trailers with comments disabled.

a buddy of mine opted out as soon he found out Joel would be brutally killed and you play as his killer. He was looking forward to it too. That was part of the reason I skipped it amongst other things.

 

[Kacho]

James would probably tell me I've been brainwashed by the white man because I don't want to play as this bald headed mannish looking woman.

He hates woke shit as much as everyone else. He just can't stand that Naughty Dog is in the crosshairs.

 

[Mister Wolf]

He hates woke shit as much as everyone else. He just can't stand that Naughty Dog is in the crosshairs.

I don't have that kind of blind loyalty to anything. Not even family.

 

[Topher]

TLOU2 sold less than the first game...yet in their previous franchise Uncharted 2 sold more than Uncharted 1....I wonder what changed to cause fans to not want to continue the story of such beloved characters like they did in Uncharted....

Partially because TLOU 2 has a divisive story, but also because the whole game was leaked prior to release. A lot of folks did not like that they would not be playing as Joel.

Not sure how any of that applies to Intergalactic though.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

He hates woke shit as much as everyone else. He just can't stand that Naughty Dog is in the crosshairs.

Yup.

Always different when the shoes on the other foot.

But I think what's happening is that all the Intergalactic defenders know better. But they got to hold the fort as long as possible because they know the game wont come out for a while. It might be 2 or 3 years. And it's not like they are going to be releasing more previews or info any time soon. What we all saw might be all we get for a year.

And with everyone laughing at it including streamers and Sony disabling comments to prevent more laughter, they know this whole hilarious debacle will go on all year. So they are caught because ND isnt going to release any counter info. lol. It's going to be a long period of laughs at this game.

 

[FeralEcho]

People keep bringing this up but TLOU1 has been out for much longer and had a major remaster at a time when ps4 had no games.

It’s not like tlou2 sold like shit, it sold a ton of copies any publisher would be happy to have

HBO’s tv series was also an enormous success. It had an entire episode dedicated to a gay man. So whatever agenda they seemingly have doesn’t seem to be an issue for commercial success

Ok...so why aren't the people that bought TLOU1 buying TLOU2 to continue the story?

It being out longer means it had longer legs so therefore where are those same people that kept buying the first game yet not the 2nd? They can't all be stuck on PS3 11 years later can they?

Plenty of options to get TLOU2 to those first game numbers, it's been out for 5 years and it's now available on PS4,PS5,PRO,PC yet those same people that loved the first game somehow don't want to continue this remarkable story despite so many options.So again....where are they? Isn't it perplexing?

 

[near]

Oh these threads have been glorious lmao.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Oh these threads have been glorious lmao.

People have been dropping left and right last few days

 

[FeralEcho]

Partially because TLOU 2 has a divisive story, but also because the whole game was leaked prior to release. A lot of folks did not like that they would not be playing as Joel.

Not sure how any of that applies to Intergalactic though.

TLOU2 was the start of ND going full DEI with their messaging,I think it applies plenty to Intergalactic.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

The name is not catchy at all. Intergalactic The Heretic Prophet? Sounds a bit convoluted and having a subtitle is unnecessary too. The Heretic Prophet by itself would sound better.

 

[near]

People have been dropping left and right last few days

People take these things too personal.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

People have been dropping left and right last few days

It's been deadly. People have a hard time having fun on a message board giving their views without getting into personal insults or going ape shit.

 

[Shake Your Rump]

Ah, the cherry-picked YouTube comments section. Where all the most wise and enlightened go for validation of their prejudices against a game based on a few minutes of non-gameplay footage that reveals almost nothing for a game releasing in two years.

 

[near]

It's been deadly. People have a hard time having fun on a message board giving their views without getting into personal insults or going ape shit.

When you have to resort to insults, you've already lost the point you were trying to make. Disengage if you can't handle the banter.

Nothing wrong with defending Non-binary: The Heretic Prophet, but don't cry about it if people disagree with you.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

He hates woke shit as much as everyone else. He just can't stand that Naughty Dog is in the crosshairs.

I don’t care about woke or anti woke stuff.

I care about whether a game is good or not. Period.

I’m not going to ignore a game like Fable if it ends up being a 90+ rated game just because the MC is ugly AF.

Similarly, Todd Howard could bless us with the most anti woke game filled with busty blondes and I wouldn’t play it at all if it’s the quality of something like Starfield.

I just laugh at the folks that get bent out of shape about a deaf girl side mission in an otherwise great game.

The two polar extremes on this topic are nauseating. There’s room for nuance.

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

Hey let’s make a game about a space bounty hunter inspired by Cowboy Bebop, but instead of the cool/stylish/sexy characters that made Cowboy Bebop such a hit, let’s make our MC an ugly masculine girlboss with a shaved head.

I bet the Japanese audience will love it!!

 

[Topher]

TLOU2 was the start of ND going full DEI with their messaging,I think it applies plenty to Intergalactic.

Disagree. TLOU 2 was divisive, certainly, but the "woke" aspects were blown up by a loud minority. TLOU 2 sales were great on their own even if they did not outsell the first game. It sold over 10 million copies. That's great either way.

 

[Senua]

Ah, the cherry-picked YouTube comments section. Where all the most wise and enlightened go for validation of their prejudices against a game based on a few minutes of non-gameplay footage that reveals almost nothing for a game releasing in two years.

Comment sections on the largest video site in the world are probably a good indicator of how the reception of the game is at large. It's not like it's a comment section from an opinion piece video or anything. Those are the comments on the main reveal trailer

 

[LectureMaster]

He hates woke shit as much as everyone else. He just can't stand that Naughty Dog is in the crosshairs.

I don't have that kind of blind loyalty to anything. Not even family.

Hey look, I love James but I just couldn't help but asking:

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Hey look, I love James but I just couldn't help but asking:

Nice meme

But I’ve defended Fable in the past for the exact same reasons. I think it looks awesome and the character thematically makes sense for the game they are designing

 

[Topher]

Ah, the cherry-picked YouTube comments section. Where all the most wise and enlightened go for validation of their prejudices against a game based on a few minutes of non-gameplay footage that reveals almost nothing for a game releasing in two years.

 

[Mister Wolf]

Hey look, I love James but I just couldn't help but asking:

Even if i dont play it I'm certain it will be a good video game. The Last Of Us 2 is a good game. Naughty Dog are masters in the the visuals and gameplay department.