Oblivion78
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There's a reason why the term "herbivore men" originated in Japan.
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What do Japanese gamers think of Intergalactic? Let's find out
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proandrad
Member
No diversity of thought or opinions. They only hire people that think and share the same opinions they do or you risk getting fired/not hired if you don't conform.
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Vlodril
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The boss adding fuel to wildfire.
Engagement farming.
near
Gold Member
Bernardougf
Member
Oh Im just waiting... too much controversy already.. some Dev will loose its purple mind and will talk shit on X ... we just have to wait. One thing they know is how to put gasoline in their own fire.
PeteBull
Member
Same way its delusional to believe new ND's game wont lose substantial portion of sales due to terrible main character design and all the woke agenda its gonna be pushing, maybe it will still sell decently enough, say instead of 30m sold copies it will be 15m, so great, yet big loss anyways vs what it could have been, how much more money it could make, how many more gamers it would lure into playstation ecosystem.
And lets not forget potential for future sequel/trilogy...
Xaeroxcore666
Member
"Hair as DLC" comment won the Internet! 
Jinzo Prime
Member
I would love to, but all they showed was a Gen Z brat shaving her head and swinging a sword
And for anyone who doubts this:
This is a man in Fire Emblem Engage.
Given that it’s a scan of a real person, I have no issues with the look of the person but the blandness of the overall design.
So far when we think of Jordan Munn we just get generic bald ex-military bounty hunter with a red colour theme associated with the character (ship, jacket, sword). Put Jordan Munn on a t-shirt and it might as well be the same character from the Uncharted film.
When you have a generic look, it means that the writing and performance has to be extremely well written to make up for it and people can’t get that from the teaser.
So far when we think of Jordan Munn we just get generic bald ex-military bounty hunter with a red colour theme associated with the character (ship, jacket, sword). Put Jordan Munn on a t-shirt and it might as well be the same character from the Uncharted film.
When you have a generic look, it means that the writing and performance has to be extremely well written to make up for it and people can’t get that from the teaser.
Mister Wolf
Member
Birthrates are down and below "replacement level" in all highly developed countries.
The ones above replacement level are highly religious, highly patriarchal, and engage in polygamy(which is as "alpha" as a man can get).
List of countries by total fertility rate - Wikipedia
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Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
It’s crazy if you think about it. You can’t have an opinion at work like, you know what, maybe we shouldn’t butcher impressionable kids who’s brains are still developing and they’re going through chemical changes in their bodies.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
It really has nothing to do with that. It's about gender. destroying male and female in favor of non binary and them.
You can't be a male... only a he/him because they know male and female will always be the top most definition and anything else will always be secondary. Again it's about bringing you down not building themselves up.
One could also argue it's one of the oldest propaganda tricks in the book to take control of society. If they can tell you who you are then they can tell you what to do without question. I don't think a lot of woke people under that last part though but the politicians do.
Bernardougf
Member
No purple hair in sight seal of approval.At at the Stellar Blade dev group photo, none of the females are as attractive as Eve, but they genuinely happy about their game. As a developer, you are making a product to indulge your customers, not to make a self-insert portrait. The liberal narcissistic mindset has plagued the western industry way too much.
We dont even need SBI/woke informative site telling us.... just 1 Dev group pic and we can see all that is.
AC Shadows without a doubt, first chance to get an Asian male character in Feudal Japan doing some badass Samurai or Ninja shit, but the European devs decided it was most inclusive to the Japanese audience to have a Black African male character that for some reason has hip-hop music as bgm when in combatSo what has pissed Japanese gamers off more then? Assassin's Creed Shadows or Intergalactic: The Heretic Prophet?
Tells you everything you need to know about "political correctness and inclusion", everything is shallow and performative, nothing is genuine and all is done so they can claim they're good and caring while they can't disassociate stereotypes like music from an specific demographic from an specific region and apply to people from a different continent, because "black = same everywhere"
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Grildon Tundy
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Bernardougf
Member
Nothing is to big to flop ... and there are forms of floping ... whts the sale expectations for this game ? The ONLY ND game for this gen ... 15 ? 20 mil ? If it goes and sells half of expectations.... thats a flop.
LordOcidax
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Dr.Morris79
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GHG
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Birthrates are down in all highly developed countries.
The ones above replacement level are highly religious, highly patriarchal, and engage in polygamy.
And a lot of those countries are currently masking it by allowing/encouraging immigration from countries with birth rates above replacement level.
Fabieter
Member
So we are insulting whole countries about DEI games now?
Akuji
Member
sure if you think thats the case for either sony or naughty dog...
Killjoy-NL
Gold Member
Just the betas.
Sanepar
Member
At least 10 million a ND game will sell. I hate the main char and I understand all the criticism but I will be there day one. Same for witcher 4.
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
They’re being a characterture of what they think being a man entails. It’s actually kind of insulting. I guess they think it makes them look cool and being a BOSS. When it just makes them look like preachy assholes.
nial
Member
How would this change anything? Sony is known for not interfering with the creative vision of their teams, do you want Sony to do that?
Nickolaidas
Member
Basically, women want to end the human race.Birthrates are down and below "replacement level" in all highly developed countries.
The ones above replacement level are highly religious, highly patriarchal, and engage in polygamy.
List of countries by total fertility rate - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Bernardougf
Member
Sure ... it can sell 10 mil.. or even more ... and even then it can be a flop.
Hell take GTA6 .. i think if that game sold 30 mil it would be viewed as a huge flop
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And as for witcher 4 .. I hope they have the best story ever in a game to justify swapping their kick ass great protagonist.
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Cakeboxer
Member
With the marketing budget of a ND game even Knack or Astro Bots could sell 10 million.
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Nickolaidas
Member
There are many factors to weigh in, when considering whether a woke game will flop. For example, Concord had numerous rivals who did what it did, only ten times better. So wokeness immediately worked against it.
However, GTA is 'unique' in what it offers, and it's the best IP of its genre. Having a 'select your pronouns' option in the character select screen, or having a female character lecture the male protagonist on how the patriarchy sucks won't be enough to deter people from enjoying a game which basically has no rival. When there are almost no alternatives, gamers are a lot more willing to forgive and forget when a game is committing a 'woke sin'.
In that spirit, I am fairly sure that GTA will sell very well, mainly because its sole competitor is the last GTA. It basically has no competition.
Intergalactic, however, seems to be 'yet another hack and slash' / 'souls' game, and that immediately makes a lot more prone to underperforming. Visuals are nowhere near as impressive as they were 15 years ago, so a very very very pretty Souls game is hardly a reason to make one excited. Visuals have more or less reached their peak, and people are now more interested in gameplay and artistic design. There is nothing about Intergalactic's artistic design that makes it unique, the protagonist looks bland and unlikable and only thing the game seems to have going for it is the action, which is undoubtedly going to be the by now tedious trademark Sony 'is it a game? is it a movie?' shtick, which stopped being impressive around the time the Order 1886 came out.
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Bernardougf
Member
Thank god we have all those beta males who still know how to draw women in games ... imagine if all we had was the western alphas and their "vision" for female charactersBirthrates are down and below "replacement level" in all highly developed countries.
The ones above replacement level are highly religious, highly patriarchal, and engage in polygamy.
List of countries by total fertility rate - Wikipedia
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PeteBull
Member
Thats how it is in current western culture, its perfectly fine to insult men, ofc we dont give a damn about rando on the net no matter how he insults us, but still, its a telling sign that society is perfectly fine with that stuff.
yanhash
Member
all u guys need to chill ur asses.
We dont know anything about the game yet. take it for what it is, if you want to not give a shit about it, thats fine as well.
But hating a product that nobody is forcing u to consume, really isnt worth it.
Play something else, i have alot of fun with PoE2 right now
Wish u all the best, the mental state of some people in here seems to have taken a big hit with that game.
Gaf harbours a special group of losers and cry babies, I wanted Hogwarts to win, I also want Neil Druckman to win, no consumer has the right to compromise a creators vision, if thats the game he wants to make, then thats the game he should make
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Crystal Winters
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It will, but it may make him double down it in as well. Everyone wants to be a victim these days. The more you prove them wrong, the more they feel like they are on the right side of history, no matter how much money they lose.
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
Their idea of a Strong Female Protagonist is someone who would be accused of “toxic masculinity” if she were a man, or at the very least would be a shitty and unlikeable character.
They do this shit over and over, and end up making characters that both male and female audiences dislike.
yanhash
Member
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
Exactly. It’s like the cocky jock character in 80s movies that you’re supposed to hate. Except now it’s supposed to be the character we all love. Makes no sense.
Bernardougf
Member
And how exactly are we compromising his vision ? By complaining and discussing in a public forum ? Or you think people should not be allowed to discuss every aspect of the game ?
Gaf harbours a special group of losers and cry babies, I wanted Hogwarts to win, I also want Neil Druckman to win, no consumer has the right to compromise a creators vision, if thats the game he wants to make, then thats the game he should make
Saber
Member
Gaf harbours a special group of losers and cry babies, I wanted Hogwarts to win, I also want Neil Druckman to win, no consumer has the right to compromise a creators vision, if thats the game he wants to make, then thats the game he should make
And who is doing that? Tales from your ass or just a copy paste answer from Ubisoft creative director?
Nickolaidas
Member
The funny thing is that I don't think that the character's design would get THIS much feedback if it wasn't for pattern recognition and gamers seeing the 'trend'.
Like I said in the past, Brianne of Tarth from Game of Thrones is a character that many liked because she was the exception to the rule, she broke the mold, and that made her unique and made her stand out.
But imagine a Game of Thrones where every single female character was a Brianne of Tarth. Everyone would be sick of it.
And we see it again and again in western games. Characters who 'subvert expectations'. Expectations have been subverted so many fucking times that now making an AAA western game with a super-hot sexy female protagonist would NOW be the subversion, instead of the norm.
Everybody liked the 80s cartoon episode where the women had to save the men for once. But everyone would hate it if that happened in EVERY episode.
The exception was the exception for A REASON. The whole point was to make men think that 'you know what? It's ok to get help from women once in a while'. Now it's 'women helping men out and doing their job should be expected and encouraged.'
Who the fuck wants to abide to a social message like that? Men don't like it because it makes them feel inadequate. Women hate it because it makes men seem undependable to them.
Like I said in the past, Brianne of Tarth from Game of Thrones is a character that many liked because she was the exception to the rule, she broke the mold, and that made her unique and made her stand out.
But imagine a Game of Thrones where every single female character was a Brianne of Tarth. Everyone would be sick of it.
And we see it again and again in western games. Characters who 'subvert expectations'. Expectations have been subverted so many fucking times that now making an AAA western game with a super-hot sexy female protagonist would NOW be the subversion, instead of the norm.
Everybody liked the 80s cartoon episode where the women had to save the men for once. But everyone would hate it if that happened in EVERY episode.
The exception was the exception for A REASON. The whole point was to make men think that 'you know what? It's ok to get help from women once in a while'. Now it's 'women helping men out and doing their job should be expected and encouraged.'
Who the fuck wants to abide to a social message like that? Men don't like it because it makes them feel inadequate. Women hate it because it makes men seem undependable to them.
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yanhash
Member
hinch7
Member
For sure. But if nobody buys the product then thats on the them. The studio heads, the publishers and executives that sign off on it.
Gaf harbours a special group of losers and cry babies, I wanted Hogwarts to win, I also want Neil Druckman to win, no consumer has the right to compromise a creators vision, if thats the game he wants to make, then thats the game he should make
If companies refuse to listen to their customers then they'll just lose money and confidence from customers. Make games that don't resonate with people and don't expect good returns. Ubisoft rn are learning this the hard way.
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Bernardougf
Member
A medievel game with a giant brianne kicking ass with her huge sword while the same time very much in love just like any girl with some prince like jamie would be kick ass... lol
Senua
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yanhash
Member
But what are consumers experience and qualifications in game development? Am i to tell Stephen king what to write or Ridley Scott how to direct, or kanye west what to produce. Ubisoft is McDonald's in saturation and you cant compare them to naughty Dog or Rockstar or from software
Why would naughty dog listen to Joe videogame on the internet forum when they've been making banger after banger and scooping all the game of the year awards
The internet echo chamber over estimates its importance, the anti hogwarts brigade and the anti naughty dog brigade are in bed together and they dont even know it.
Wildebeest
Member
America is leading the puritanical charge on making media like films and games less sexy and quite often totally sexless. I suppose the reasoning is that before the internet, if you wanted some sort of titillation, you didn't have much alternative. So now popular things get less traction from it, and it risks giving some customers "the ick". Especially younger women who are less used to it. It suits corporations just fine because it entrenches the position where only huge IP like Marvel or Star Wars can really sell things, which they conveniently own, and you don't have to rely as much on sexy actors to draw people to films, with their huge fees and strong contracts.
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LectureMaster
Gold Member
EviLore
The estimation you made in the reveal thread turns out to be rather accurate, based on the poll thread. The buy vs no buy ratio is incredibly close to 1:1 (35.9% vs. 31.4%). GAF is actually most diverse on this matter lmao. Too bad I saw a few folks got banned or requested ban for being too polarizing.
SF Kosmo
Al Jazeera Special Reporter
There is something strange about Japanese gamers speaking Japanese using phrases like "mansplaining" and "DEI". How accurate is this? I find it hard to believe machine translation would produce things with this much niche vernacular and even misspelled versions thereof.Naughty Dog's newly revealed Intergalactic is inspired by Akira and Cowboy Bebop. What do Japanese gamers think? I've gone and taken a look at some popular Japanese Youtube videos covering the reveal. I previously did this for Oppenheimer, too, to get a better sense of what Japanese moviegoers thought about such a sensitive topic.
Machine translated from Japanese to English. Not an endorsement of any of the comments one way or another, just a fascinating look at their perspectives. I'd estimate that well over 99% of comments were negative.
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hinch7
Member
You are asking the wrong questions. A customer is there for the service. They dont ask these questions..
Its like if you go to a busy restaurant and after a while they change chefs. They start losing customers as the food changes dramatically. Customers don't ask questions, they just move on. The head chefs and restaurant owner can make all they want but if the food isn't appealing to people then its not good for business.
Mindlessly defending stuff is also shit. As it doesn't do anything. Raising compaints on a forum of any kind, whether youtube, GaF, Twitter or whatever will get companies to notice on what their customers want. Just take one look at ratio of the trailer and try explain that won't have an effect on the games sales.
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SweetTooth
Gold Member
They should, ND is running by a cult now.