What is the single biggest lie ever to have been told in all of human history?

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When you apply logic and common sense with it, mixed in with the reality of today.

Why would being born by a virgin mother make a bit of difference? What does it matter?
 
Amir0x said:
I absolutely understand. That's why I didn't choose the Bible. I was responding to a person who DID choose the Bible, and suggested were it not for your random rule in the sand, it would definitively be the choice of most people.

I am disagreeing with your specifications and perimeters because your assertion is wrong. The Bible has comprehensively been proven false; therefore, your comment that you only want things like that suggests it is perfectly OK to include it were it not for you arbitrarily drawing a line in the sand.

And it is OK for you to do that. It is. I never said otherwise. That's why I didn't choose the Bible. I am, however, all for discussing the terms of the topic and why it's flawed. And that's what I'm doing.



Again, you have not made any argument at all as to how it demonstrates lack of tact. You're just deciding randomly that something should be given extra courtesy whereas it has demonstrated no special requirement of that. I would treat it no differently from any other fiction.
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Well, I suppose it would make sense that you wouldn't care about representing yourself in a respectable manner. If you haven't noticed, nobody here likes you because you are a complete ass to everyone. Secondly, you aren't a mod anymore because you told the biggest lie ever on this forum (ironic considering the thread, no?).

The original point I tried to make was that if you want people to take you seriously and actually listen to what you're saying, you shouldn't begin with: "God is fictitious."
 
Amir0x said:
I am disagreeing with your specifications and perimeters because your assertion is wrong. The Bible has comprehensively been proven false; therefore, your comment that you only want things like that suggests it is perfectly OK to include it were it not for you arbitrarily drawing a line in the sand.
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I'm not arguing against you here as I also share your view. But the Bible is an example of scripture and not an actual human being, and I specified in the OP that I wanted examples of human beings saying something specific that was proven to have been a lie. Personally, I don't see how specifying that I want examples of things that real people have said is in any way arbitrary.
 
"Niemand hat die Absicht, eine Mauer zu errichten."-Walter Ulbricht. No one has the intention of building a wall. Two month before the Berlin wall was build.
 
Juicy Bob said:
But the Bible is an example of scripture and not an actual human being
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Well we have a pretty good at idea at who some of the authors of the books were. Would you feel better if we listed them?

threenote said:
Well, I suppose it would make sense that you wouldn't care about representing yourself in a respectable manner. If you haven't noticed, nobody here likes you because you are a complete ass to everyone. Secondly, you aren't a mod anymore because you told the biggest lie ever on this forum (ironic considering the thread, no?).
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It wasn't even close to the biggest lie on the forum. People have short memories and even shorter grasps of reality. Regardless, that doesn't change the point and the fact that you feel it is relevant is pretty illustrative of the fact that you really don't have any legitimate reasons for thinking what you do.

threenote said:
The original point I tried to make was that if you want people to take you seriously and actually listen to what you're saying, you shouldn't begin with: "God is fictitious."
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There is entire topics filled with people responding to points being raised by me. I have no concern as to whether people will listen to me or not. Once more, however, you've failed to even remotely demonstrate why saying what I did shows a "lack of tact." You're simply re-asserting your position without a proof, because I assume it's a "gut feeling." Because people have believed the lie for so long, that merits special consideration? Again, not a good answer. Fiction is fiction. That you wince at hearing it is not my concern.
 
Amir0x said:
I want people to treat me EXACTLY the same way. If I am believing in bullshit, I want people to go to my face - not just on the internet - and tell me "dude, that's bullshit." if you are the type of person that wants to be coddled, then you live by a different standard than I. I believe in the Golden Rule, and this is precisely the way I would want someone to treat any absurd belief I have.
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Oh aren't you so high and mighty with your snobby "I'm so much smarter than all religious people" attitude. FYI What you think /= the one and only absolute truth any less/ more than what anyone else thinks, religious or not. Its none of your business what other people believe. Stop picking fights and fucking up threads with religious hate. I'm so sick of this shit. People like you are making all atheists look like assholes when you push your stupid agenda.
 
Amir0x said:
Again, you have not made any argument at all as to how it demonstrates lack of tact. You're just deciding randomly that something should be given extra courtesy whereas it has demonstrated no special requirement of that. I would treat it no differently from any other fiction.
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tact/takt/
Noun: Adroitness and sensitivity in dealing with others or with difficult issues.


You are demonstrating no tact at all.
 
Amir0x said:
Not sure what you mean. Do you mean 'believe' as in "i think the idea he presented would be good for the country" or 'believe' as in "I think the politician will unfailingly deliver on all his promises"?

Of course we know that some political ideas will be good and some will be bad, but this actually does represent the spectrum of opinion. It's not an opinion the Bible is a lie. It's a fact merely refused to be accepted by a particularly gullible section of society.
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Both, it's actually pretty easy to find arguments and demonstrations showing that what you choose to believe for the next election will go wrong or that the politician will fail. You just vote for them because you believe in them or you shouldn't even vote AT ALL, and we all know that's actually the worst solution of them all.

It was incredibly stupid to vote for Obama and believing that making that stand would usher a new era or whatever crap that was people wanted to believe back then, just as much as it was equally stupid to believe in any other alternative.
There's no such a thing as a good choice in politics, and I tend to believe that's even more true in the US.
 
JGS said:
Ok, I didn't know the goal was to derail the thread.
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It's asking what the biggest lie in all human history is. To many non-believers, its religion. I don't see how thats de-railing, its just another valid opinion.

Same goes for everyone bashing atheist-gaf.
 
ThoseDeafMutes said:
tact/takt/
Noun: Adroitness and sensitivity in dealing with others or with difficult issues.


You are demonstrating no tact at all.
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We all know what tact means. What you are not illustrating is how a statement of fact equals "lacking tact." Is there some easier, gentler way to coddle people so as not to be offended by the reality of the statement?
 
Amir0x said:
There is entire topics filled with people responding to points being raised by me. I have no concern as to whether people will listen to me or not. Once more, however, you've failed to even remotely demonstrate why saying what I did shows a "lack of tact." You're simply re-asserting your position without a proof, because I assume it's a "gut feeling." Because people have believed the lie for so long, that merits special consideration? Again, not a good answer. Fiction is fiction. That you wince at hearing it is not my concern.
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...you know what tact means, right? It means being polite even when you're right, to get a point across. You explicitly said you don't care about that, meaning you don't have tact.

It's not a crime or anything, but by your own admission you don't have tact, nor do you care for it. Nothing wrong with that really, but don't get upset when somebody calls you tactless when you revel in it.

daviyoung said:
No. Don't say things like this. Atheists aren't a single body.
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Neither are religious people, or even Christians/Muslims/Snake Handlers.
 
Drkirby said:
Wasn't it that the CIA was told it by the Secret Intelligence Service, who was given the information by an unreliable source who was flat out lying, and no one did a bit of fact checking?
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Yeah probably.

Thinking about it, is it not technically a lie if you are making a statement on something that you're unsure of?

The Bush administration would have to know that there weren't any WMD's, and then say to the world that there were, for it to be a lie. I think. :/
 
Amir0x said:
Well we have a pretty good at idea at who some of the authors of the books were. Would you feel better if we listed them?



It wasn't even close to the biggest lie on the forum. People have short memories and even shorter grasps of reality. Regardless, that doesn't change the point and the fact that you feel it is relevant is pretty illustrative of the fact that you really don't have any legitimate reasons for thinking what you do.



There is entire topics filled with people responding to points being raised by me. I have no concern as to whether people will listen to me or not. Once more, however, you've failed to even remotely demonstrate why saying what I did shows a "lack of tact." You're simply re-asserting your position without a proof, because I assume it's a "gut feeling." Because people have believed the lie for so long, that merits special consideration? Again, not a good answer. Fiction is fiction. That you wince at hearing it is not my concern.
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Why are you asking me for proof? My claim is that you are an asshole to everyone, and you lack tact whether it be regarding Heavy Rain or Jesus Christ. Your approach is off, and I'm not going to scour for posts searching for examples of this--I know it, and so does everyone else.
 
Amir0x said:
Well we have a pretty good at idea at who some of the authors of the books were. Would you feel better if we listed them?
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Genuinely, if there's an example of something one of the disciples or whoever else helped write the Bible has said that is accepted to be categorically untrue, I think that would be a perfectly legitimate example for the purposes of this thread.

All I was hoping was to avoid a thread full of predictable, generic responses such as "Jesus died for our sins" or "9/11 was carried out by Muslim extremists". Things like that.
 
K-12 American history (in American). Teaches kids that America is the good guy. Tend to skip, gloss over, or outright lie about the undesirable things we done throughout history. In truth, we are a rather self centered country that does some good things, some bad things, and some WTF things.
 
threenote said:
Why are you asking me for proof? My claim is that you are an asshole to everyone, and you lack tact whether it be regarding Heavy Rain or Jesus Christ. Your approach is off, and I'm not going to scour for posts searching for examples of this--I know it, and so does everyone else.
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Hello stranger, you seem awfully familiar with these boards
 
That rigid coherence to the guidelines in the OP is something that typically happens on GAF. This isn't a criticism of Amir0x. In fact, if anything, it's a criticism of those criticising him for "derailing" the topic.

Truth is, this is a much more interesting diversion than, say, Caturday.
 
The lie that shook GAF:

Thinking a game is going to BE great and thinking the GRAPHICS are on par with factually superior offerings is two completely different things.

You are claiming - trolling, really, since nobody can genuinely believe such blatant lies - that Golden Sun 3 and Dragon Quest IX visually are on par with things like God of War III and Uncharted 2. This is so outrageous that it's obvious trolling.

Please, keep your subject matter straight before you try to call me out. It's kind of pathetic.

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This is so outrageous that it's obvious trolling.

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Juicy Bob said:
Genuinely, if there's an example of something one of the disciples or whoever else helped write the Bible has said that is accepted to be categorically untrue, I think that would be a perfectly legitimate example for the purposes of this thread.
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Nooo what are you doing bob!? Don't change the rules to accommodate that twat. You have now given the green light for thread derailing. You Heard it folks! This is now a bible bashing thread!
 
threenote said:
Why are you asking me for proof? My claim is that you are an asshole to everyone, and you lack tact whether it be regarding Heavy Rain or Jesus Christ. Your approach is off, and I'm not going to scour for posts searching for examples of this--I know it, and so does everyone else.
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Again, your vendetta against me as a poster is largely irrelevant to the topic at hand. You stated that I am lacking tact because I am stating these facts about this fiction. I am saying that there is no easier way to say it. A fact is a fact. Any religious person would wince at saying "God is fictitious" - and yet, here we are and that he is. There's no gentler, kinder way to put it to a person because that's the reality.

The problem is these half-in, half-out people who want to believe there is kid gloves to use when discussing these subjects. Not to mention when you factor in WHY it is necessary to be vocal about it... because one of these beliefs has been systematically responsible for the deaths of millions and the continued ongoing indoctrination/child abuse of millions more every year, and the other is just "mean widdle language" which you somehow think suggests a lack of tact.

Well, though I'd disagree that there's any lack of tact, I certainly am far less concerned about tactfulness than I am about what I am being tactless about.
 
Amir0x said:
A god who has variously endorsed pedophilia, rape, genocide, human sacrifice as "penance" for others sins, infanticide is about as vile a character as I can imagine.

It goes without saying that this lie propagated has been so successfully integrated into the mind of gullible people that they actually think this is somehow not completely Hitler-esque horror.

Whether I am a mod or not, the same will hold true whether you like it or not.
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God does not endorse all those things, it is the people who do it. Go to the basics of any monotheistic religious teachings and it is better than any law which exists or is enforced today. Prove me wrong.
 
Lactose_Intolerant said:
That we still celebrate Christopher Columbus.
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We really don't. That he was celebrated for the 300-whatever years that he was though, sure, a pretty big lie.

EDIT: Or, uh, the facts on which we based the celebration of him for those 300 years.
 
Amir0x said:
Well, though I'd disagree that there's any lack of tact, I certainly am far less concerned about tactfulness than I am about what I am being tactless about.
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Serious question: If you saw an obese man walking down the street, would you stop him and tell him "wow, you're really fat man" ?
 
shanshan310 said:
Nooo what are you doing bob!? Don't change the rules to accommodate that twat. You have now given the green light for thread derailing. You Heard it folks! This is now a bible bashing thread!
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This thread was derailed a long time ago. We've already taken the victims to hospital and began the investigation it's been so long.
 
planar1280 said:
God does not endorse all those things, it is the people who do it. Go to the basics of any monotheistic religious teachings and it is better than any law which exists or is enforced today. Prove me wrong.
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Didn't god order the Israelite tribe to slaughter entire civilizations of people so that they could inherit the land?

I'd be interesting in hearing how that doesn't count as genocide. Or how ordering it doesn't mean you endorse it.
 
planar1280 said:
God does not endorse all those things, it is the people who do it. Go to the basics of any monotheistic religious teachings and it is better than any law which exists or is enforced today. Prove me wrong.
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Well that IS a topic for a separate thread. But I will say that going by the Abrahamic Textual Traditions, God himself - that is, what the texts claim God has said - has indeed directly been responsible for the call for genocide, infanticide, among other things. In one occasion God tasks the people of Israel with saving the young child virgins of a slaughtered city, so that the victors may have use of them. Breed them, essentially.

shanshan310 said:
Serious question: If you saw an obese man walking down the street, would you stop him and tell him "wow, you're really fat man" ?
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Being obese myself at one point, I wish maybe more people did do that. I personally wouldn't tell an obese person to stop being fat because there is the off chance it is some sort of disease, and I don't want to risk that. That said, I would readily preach against the problems of obesity online in threads like these and I wouldn't be gentle about the factual risks involved with being fat.
 
lightless_shado said:
Yeah I got that, and I know that he used those facts to his advantage, but he also needed to make something up to turn people he didn't like into scapegoats and I'm pretty sure he blamed the Jews specifically for Germany's economic problems. I could be wrong though, if I am its never a bad thing to be corrected.
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Jews had been the scapegoats in Europe since pretty much forever (they killed Jesus, were moneylenders, etc.) so it made sense to blame them (disregarding whether or not his father was Jewish). We just remember it better because he managed to systematically kill them with industrial efficiency.

Also, eugenics was on the rise during the inter-war period, and some people did in fact twist its intentions to justify exterminating lesser peoples. Luckily for places like the US and Canada we only had forced sterilizations (not that that was any better).
 
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