What is the single biggest lie ever to have been told in all of human history?
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Something Wicked
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Marxism will help society.
manueldelalas
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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/normalObsessed said:
No I didn't mean natural, I know homosexuality is part of human nature (as is perversion, lying, incest, sodomy, murder, drugs, cheating, etc); I meant normal, and it isn't.
The name was changed because hard data (as in no faked data) showed that it was in fact a lie and you could convince more people to give money to Al Gore and NGOs if it was ambiguous.
I have more lies:
- Cavemen abused cavewomen
- People transitioned from nomadism to sedentarism (data on this that isn't the Bible? anyone? only data we have is that nomads stayed nomads to this day (except in cases of forced sedentarism, forced by already sedentary men) and sedentary people stayed sedentary)
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Something Wicked said:
Define Marxism.
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Religious people here should try to think about it, for 2 seconds. You believe in one religion, when there have been thousands since the dawn of civilization. Thus, you SHOULD believe, in general, the subject thas has constantly been the biggest lie, is other people's religions.
Although, you are free to herp derp as well. Up to you.
Now, I apologize in advance if this offends anyone, because I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings, but some things need to be said even if they are a little 'controversial.'
I think people who say Hitler wasn't so bad are wrong.
That's a big lie to tell, and I think it should be stopped. I think he was a bad person.
I think people who say Hitler wasn't so bad are wrong.
That's a big lie to tell, and I think it should be stopped. I think he was a bad person.
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you know.. the bad stuffKurdel said:
Just remembered this Radiolab segment: http://www.radiolab.org/2008/dec/29/how-to-cure-what-ails-you/
It wasn't technically a lie; more a form of mistake, but still, it caused the death 30.000 people.
It wasn't technically a lie; more a form of mistake, but still, it caused the death 30.000 people.
Roxas said:
That we went to war because of WMDs is a lie.
That the war was illegal was a lie, too. The treaty ending the first Gulf War set up very specific guidelines for Iraq and its leader to follow. The treaty also outlined resumption of hostilities as a potential result of failure to comply with the guidelines. Iraq, it is well documented, repeatedly ignored/disregarded/failed to comply with even basic stipulations of the treaty.
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manueldelalas said:
You, sir, are a wealth of awesomeness.
Guys, we need to tread really carefully here. If fed right, this guy could prompt an amazing outpouring of reaction gifs, some of which may never have before been seen. Think of the veritable mine of gems here.
What we need is an expert. Someone call Gaborn, and quick.
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magicstop said:
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I've been sitting here trying to think of why this is a lie.
I concluded that you either meant that drug use is inherently irresponsible, or that the acquisition of currently illegal drugs leads to creating a situation that victimizes others by empowering drug lords.
Am I close, or is it something else?
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Maybe it can, but it just sounds too evil at this point.Nuttycam said:
There is literally no proof for heliocentrism.manueldelalas said:And the proof on the contrary? I mean, any? Just because I defy common knowledge doesn't mean I'm wrong; I'm sure a lot of people on their times got a lot of shit for saying that the Earth wasn't round or that the purgatory wasn't on the other side of the spherical Earth.
In other thread there was an idiot who said that because most people believe it, it must be true
Not a single shred.
Not an iota.
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That truth exists.
I've never understood why Atheists and those who believe in Religion constantly and incessantly bicker, continually failing to realize that they are both identical.
Both believe in something that can not, possibly ever, be proven as either true or false. They are just two sides to the same coin.
Such a failure in logic for humanity, it's quite sad to see to this day. Worse knowing it'll be around for many, many years to come.
Both believe in something that can not, possibly ever, be proven as either true or false. They are just two sides to the same coin.
Such a failure in logic for humanity, it's quite sad to see to this day. Worse knowing it'll be around for many, many years to come.
manueldelalas
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I was asking about nomadism... do you even know how to read?Qwomo said:
methane47
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FOUND IT!
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Sooooo Amir0x claims he read the OP.. which specifically states he wants to know about a specific lie told by a specific Person.
Amir0x then not only fails to Give a specific lie... he also FAILS to give a specific person.
Jesus born in Bethlehem... a lie?
Jesus born to Mary and Joseph... a lie?
Saul was a king.... a lie?
Samson was with Delilah... a lie?
There are something like 30,000 verses in the Bible. Every single one is a lie Amir0x? REALLY?
Fail.
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Amir0x said:
Sooooo Amir0x claims he read the OP.. which specifically states he wants to know about a specific lie told by a specific Person.
Amir0x then not only fails to Give a specific lie... he also FAILS to give a specific person.
Jesus born in Bethlehem... a lie?
Jesus born to Mary and Joseph... a lie?
Saul was a king.... a lie?
Samson was with Delilah... a lie?
There are something like 30,000 verses in the Bible. Every single one is a lie Amir0x? REALLY?
Fail.
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I'll weigh in here: I'd say that it is a lie in that anyone who says that "an adult sticking what they like into their body is completely their own business and doesn't effect anyone else" is incorrect as no-one lives in a vacuum and actions effect other people. The question then becomes "how much selfishness is acceptable", which varies wildly among everyone.meadowrag said:
manueldelalas said:And the proof on the contrary? I mean, any? Just because I defy common knowledge doesn't mean I'm wrong; I'm sure a lot of people on their times got a lot of shit for saying that the Earth wasn't round or that the purgatory wasn't on the other side of the spherical Earth.
In other thread there was an idiot who said that because most people believe it, it must be true
There are masses of archaeological, anthropological, DNA, etc., evidence that show the migration of people across the globe, resulting in periods during of being nomadic and sedentary / agrarian (the term you are looking for, because as we started purposefully growing food, we stop moving around). The agrarian revolution resulted in a change from hunter gatherer to sedentary culture, and there is enough physical and hard data and evidence showing this to make claims to the contrary ridiculous. Your "common knowledge" is unfortunately based on . . . well . . . nothing. But please, don't let this minor hang up stop you. I'm interested in hearing more about how "theories" don't mean anything, and how there's no evidence that people ever lived nomadic lifestyles.
meadowrag said:
The second, I believe. Using drugs often does hurt people in that you are helping sustain a system that inherently relies on poverty, violence, etc. Of course the same could be said of global capitalism . . .
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The_Technomancer said:
That's true and I'd question anyone claiming to have the ability to "responsibly" use something like crack cocaine.
On the other hand, I believe that people can do whatever they want with their lives as long as it doesn't overtly harm someone else.
I mean, if you commit suicide, your mom is probably going to be pretty bummed because of what you did, but then again it's your life.
The line has to be drawn somewhere, and the ingestion of whatever chemical I choose should be my business, shouldn't it? Saying that drug use ISN'T a victimless crime because no one exists in a vacuum is sort of like blaming hurricane Irene on a butterfly.
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Even if all drugs were legalized though without a large public system to help those for whom drug use becomes a problem you're going to have "victims" of drug use, families of those who develop debilitating addictions.magicstop said:
Yeah, its a big complex issue with no easy answer. For the record my stance is to legalize marijuana but also pump funding into research to study its effects on the human mind so that people can be informed of any downsides it may have (much like smokers and lung cancer).meadowrag said:
I would also tenativly consider legalizing harder drugs if we really had an infrastructure for people who need help.
manueldelalas
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OK, so europeans that moved to America were nomads? good to know. (I mean, we do know they migrated accross the globe).magicstop said:
methane47 said:
My choice for biggest lie WASN'T "The Bible", since I read the topic. It was something like the Gulf of Tonkin or Bernie Madoff's Ponzi Scheme or Richard Nixon's Watergate. My argument for why subjects like the Bible should be arbitrarily removed from the topic was what was being discussed. Indeed, my comment was a response to someone who DID choose the Bible.
However, almost certainly everything in the Bible is a massive distortion or straight out false. The only things that may be true, incidentally, is that some of the characters in the books may indeed be historical figures; though, naturally, nothing the Bible records would be close to the way these figures actually lived.
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manueldelalas said:
So I'm guessing you hate gay people, and/or homosexuality? Why?
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The_Technomancer said:
It extends well beyond that. Let's imagine I'm a heroine addict, to use an extreme example.
My children (who do not exist in real life) will almost certainly be neglected. I don't think many would argue that a heroine addict will make an upstanding father. This may not rise to the level of explicit, criminal neglect (e.g. I leave them wallowing in their own filth), but it likely does mean I'm not there when I should be, I do not support them emotionally or financially, and so forth. That is ethically wrong.
I am also likely to be a poor employee, if I have a job at all. My coworkers will have to work harder than they otherwise would if I would just get off my butt and work hard for 8 hours a day. While coworkers will cover some of my shortfall, it's unlikely they'll cover all of it -- that is, even with coworker's backing up my incompetence, the store is still less run than it would be if I were a responsible coworker. As a consequence, customers get less quality of service overall than they would if I were not a heroine addict. Again, this is ethically wrong.
Obviously, as we go further down this chain, the link becomes more tenuous: I do not typically spend much time worrying, for example, that the check out guy at Target is less industrious than he could be. It's not a big deal, but that doesn't mean it's completely and totally irrelevant, either. Have you ever had a particularly helpful, hardworking person help you at a fast food restaraunt? It's refreshing, isn't it?
The point I'm making here is straightforward: you have responsibilities to other people whether you like it or not. You are responsible for your daughters and your sons, and responsible to your bosses and your coworkers. Further, you owe a great debt to the people who came before us; I am currently typing on a computer using Wireless access, talking to people all over the globe on an internet forum, all because of inventions made possible by people who came before me. It seems unfair for them to work so hard, and accomplish so much, just so that I could sit on my butt, enjoy the fruits of their labor, and do nothing for myself.
Individuals are not islands. We owe society far more than most people care to admit, likely because the full weight of our responsibilities can feel almost crushing if we dwell on it.
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