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What we know so far about the Nintendo NX with sources
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Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
Oh that's right, I keep forgetting that Sony had a hand in SFV's development. Well the point still stands.
Now you have me thinking about a Ryo Hazuki Amiibo... And how it will never happen... :/
If I could make that bet, I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft paid for MvC 4 exclusiveness to combat the Street Fighter V PS4. MS has been know to pay up before.
I thought Microsoft was moving away from buying out third party exclusives? Plus it would screw over Capcom's CFN initiative.
On-topic, anything to look forward to for potential NX news after the 2nd?
frankie_baby
Member
Ultra street fighter 5.1 super championship turbo edition acade
Capcom isn't doing any Super versions of Street Fighter V, just waves of DLC. One disc is all you'll need.
Spyder_Monkey
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Rösti;193829096 said:
Rösti;193831697 said:
Thanks Rösti! I get confused about the time zones when we get to talking about middle of the night vs. the next day for some reason. So, middle of the night Monday (Feb 1-2) night for us US EST folks for the earnings release, and then Tuesday evening 8 PM EST for the briefing.
Ah, that's right. I forgot. Thank you. I remember now that when I read that I convinced myself that possibility their cntatcs work at the same company. Whether or not that's the case, who knows. 😅
I'm thinking about this now and...I would be hyped for that. New Nintendo systems where you can play the game on HH or console that may see many more games released* than we are used to just getting on one Nintendo system. That's cool. I like that it will potentiallyvoffer this option. I don't need a gimmick beyond that but motion controls and dual screens and
the GamePad all prices me way, way wrong so I am open to one depending on what it is and possibly if it's not a gimmick that appeals to me, also depending on how much it affects games for the system. So yeah. I'm cool with that. And maybe we will get that. But Nintendo doesn't need to do anything to hype me other than make games. They could have stopped making new systems as of Wii, excepting a jump into HD I suppose, and just make games forever on that platform and build a handheld off of it and I'd be down.
*I'm still a bit worried Nintendo will be overly nervous about releasing too many games at the same time.
I'm torn on this. See my response to DKHF below.
Oh, good point. I forgot about that aspect. I'll just say though that if their sources were willing to share with them before and break NDAs previously, I'm sure they were taking a risk then, too...although IIRC in one of their cases they were the leaker themselves, in at least one instance of Wii U info they shared? But maybe I'm confused here.
As I said to Moon above, I'm kinda torn on this. For one, yes, they could release Zelda NX handheld only this Fall and then release the cart, playable on both systems, at the launch of the handheld. But as you said they could also just hold off on releasing Zelda NX at all until the console comes out, if it does in fact come out after the handheld. When we get into this level of speculation though a few things come to mind for me.
One, I still think Zelda at least in the West is a big draw as a system seller, especially if it reinvents the look of the franchise dramatically as it seems to in Zelda U for the first time since Spaceworld 2001 unveiled Toon Link. So if Nintendo this fall offers a new handheld or console with no way to play the new Zelda and a similar asking price as Wii U, maybe people will just say, eh, I'm getting a cheap Wii U this year for Zelda.
Second, as KingSnake has discussed previously in this thread, and wisely so, I think it's a bit of a mess for Nintendo to release these two systems more than a short period of time apart. If the handheld comes out first people will play game x and not care about getting the console just to replay it. If the console comes out first, then you're faced with the opposite problem. If the main hook of NX is that you can play all the same games on two different form factors, why release the systems at different times? I think it just creates confusion and cognitive dissonance for the consumer. Hmm. It's a tough nut to crack for sure. I understand the problem of shelf space. But...Nintendo wants to return to significant profits by March 2017, if I recall correctly. I don't see a handheld alone necessarily being a big enough holiday seller and I think to achieve the rumored shipment numbers and/or projected profits both systems may need to arrive by the end of the next fiscal year. (If I'm totally mistaken in this thought process, anyone please feel free to correct me.)
We haven't seen a console launch outside of the holiday season in the West at least since...9/9/99? If anything the handheld could release more easily at another time of year, but then you have the other problem of the two recent big handhelds releasing not in the holiday season (in the West at least) and having difficulties in the market, which then makes me wonder if the handheld would do better released during the holidays.
I could see that, for sure. I'd be glad to see that and I'd like to see Capcom and SE bring significant and diverse third party support to Nintendo systems.
I'll also say I see a future where Microsoft and Rareware games well...I see a path for them to eventually come to NX. It sounds crazy at first blush but a few things. One, Minecraft is soaring up the Wii U charts and after a brief period of being available is already the top selling digital game for Wii U in JP, per HoL's thread. That is amazing. Second, I don't see Microsoft bothering to release their next XB in Japan after the abysnal sales of XB1 there. I also feel like its not unprecedented insofar as Microsoft was willing to release RW games on DS and even expirmented with further use of Microsoft IP in developing games for the system. So, if all handheld games for NX aren't by definition playable on the NX console I think this theory is a smidge more likely. But either way I could see it happening. If NX is mega ppopular and Microsoft has a tough road to making profits in gaming in JP I don't think this would be an impossible road for the companies to go down. I could also see a future where Microsoft merges with Nintendo and we go back to a two-system market but that's a bit more outlandish at the moment.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/new...et-Fighter-IV-Wont-Ever-Become-Hyper-or-Ultra
Don't ever trust anything Capcom says.
Mithos
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YES.
Capcom's actually making an effort to not split up the player-base like they did with SFIV, especially now that they're going eSports.
Spyder_Monkey
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Why would anyone want to play a game seemingly as big as Zelda on a handheld though?
What? What big secret was revealed that you're questioning as "that was the big secret?"?
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
I could think of a few practical reasons, and so could the majority of the population in Japan.
I don't see why not, there is a lot of huge games on handheld. It would be the same experience as on console just scaled down (visually, not in terms of content). There might not be a lot of large open world games on handheld but I think it could be popular. It might be more popular than the console version in the Japanese market too.
Spyder_Monkey
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It's like playing Skyrim on your cellphone. It's impractical and there are better designed games on handhelds.
You have to consider that Nintendo's handhelds typically sell better than the consoles. So if they really want to go back to "Nintendo-like" profits, it'd be best to prime the handheld for a holiday release. As for why they would split the releases, it'd be for the same reason why iPhones & iPads don't release at the same time. You'd avoid making the lives of retailers a living hell & you'll increase the chances of people wanting to double-dip later. You don't get that if you front-load everything.
frankie_baby
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I won't believe that when I don't see it
I also think it would be unwise to release the handheld and console NX significantly far apart from each other. I was just responding to the hypothetical situation where only the NX handheld launches this year. The best case scenario for Zelda on NX would be both the NX handheld and console launching this fall with the Zelda NX cartridge (alongside the Wii U version) IMO.
Fourth Storm
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But then what about the home console market? Wii U doesn't have the software to survive another year and a half to 2 years.
The thing that justifies super strict NDAs
James Scott
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Yeah, that's the thing. Either that's delayed or they launch it first on Wii U.
I think Wii U can do with a good Paper Mario for its holiday title. So even though I'd be a bit upset, I think releasing it in March (if the console comes out by then) would be smart
That's nothing compared to the partnership behind Silicon Graphics/ArtX/ATi/AMD. One splinter and two mergers couldn't stop the continuity lasting 23 years so far, and unlike with IBM it's rather unlikely to stop now.
True, very true.
I never said that the NX Console would have to wait until late next year, probably until early next year (say, February or March).
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
If my cellphone had all the buttons needed to play Skyrim with a suspend feature then I don't see how it would be impractical. Actually that would be awesome.
Some people just don't have the free time to sit down in front a TV for three hours a session just to play a video game. Hell I only work three days a week (12 hours shifts) but with a fiancée, puppy, and social life I've strugged to push through Xenoblade X, and had the same trouble with Witcher 3 and Fallout 4. Thankfully
I can play Xenoblade X on the Gamerpad when needed and Witcher 3/Fallout 4 on remote play through the Vita. Is that prefered? No, but it's not impractical.
Fourth Storm
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But Nintendo never releases new home consoles in those months. What about people who get Wii U for Christmas?
Who would buy a console during that time of the year ?
That argument goes both ways. You could argue about those who would get a 3DS for Christmas if the NX Console came out first & the NX Handheld came out later. Either way, the NX Handheld is probably gonna sell more (assuming that the shared platform thing pans out). As such, I wouldn't be shocked if said NX Handheld ends up being the flagship NX device & is treated as such.
Jonneh3003
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I did a video about the NX and one commenter is determined to believe it will involve the Wii U:
James Hunter50 minutes ago
I'll put money down now that the nx is a tablet stye console designed to work both as a stand alone with a chromecast style adaptor for use on tv's and as a controller for the wii u they will probably have seporate software for it but it will work for miltiplayer with 3ds that way they can sell three copies of every game to the nintendo nuts and capture the wikipad android gamer market.
James Hunter44 minutes ago
Forgot to mention if the nx is a tblet based console with 4g or just good wiki it could suport remote play for the wii u.
James Hunter36 minutes ago
I dont like to coment so much but saying the wii u is at the end of its lifespan is patent rubish it costs a huge amounts to develop a console and theres still more than twelv milion wii u's out there the logical path is user base expansion through expanding the market with a new platform which will encorage people to by other nintendo products.
I love the Wii U and all but I didn't realise some people were reluctant to let it go.
James Hunter50 minutes ago
I'll put money down now that the nx is a tablet stye console designed to work both as a stand alone with a chromecast style adaptor for use on tv's and as a controller for the wii u they will probably have seporate software for it but it will work for miltiplayer with 3ds that way they can sell three copies of every game to the nintendo nuts and capture the wikipad android gamer market.
James Hunter44 minutes ago
Forgot to mention if the nx is a tblet based console with 4g or just good wiki it could suport remote play for the wii u.
James Hunter36 minutes ago
I dont like to coment so much but saying the wii u is at the end of its lifespan is patent rubish it costs a huge amounts to develop a console and theres still more than twelv milion wii u's out there the logical path is user base expansion through expanding the market with a new platform which will encorage people to by other nintendo products.
I love the Wii U and all but I didn't realise some people were reluctant to let it go.
Releasing a console in Feb or March is just saying please don't buy our Wii-U console for Christmas
Same thing would happen if they released the NX Handheld around that time (like they normally do for handhelds) in relation to the 3DS.
I don't think a handheld can or will be treated as a flagship device of a company if said company makes a device with better specification's.
Handhelds have been their big money maker though.
They are but the general public will never see it that way.
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Deleted member 465307
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If I understand your posts correctly, you're saying you don't feel good about the NX's reveal because of how the Wii U went? I think that's reasonable. Personally, I think it could go either way, so I'm feeling rather neutral.
The sales say otherwise. Hell the third party support compared to their console says otherwise.
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Deleted member 465307
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To be fair, the 3DS launched in March, too, and ended up being a success. Then again, it had to relaunch that summer/holiday season with a price drop and bigger games.
The 3DS launched in March and it struggled out the gate, which forced Iwata to slash the price by $70 six months later.
And you're right, 3DS sales didn't rebound until the holidays when Mario Kart and 3D World were released.
Jonneh3003
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This is true but we can't guarantee if that was because of its launch time or because it was a more appealing product 6 months later with more games and a cheaper price tag.
We have to think about it from a different perspective. I agree with Neoxon that the handheld will be flagship device, because outside of the Wii, handhelds have been their flagship for the past several generations.
No shit they would launch their money maker first. The console should be treated as an extension to that. Like the iPad to the iPhone.
No shit they would launch their money maker first. The console should be treated as an extension to that. Like the iPad to the iPhone.
Jonneh3003
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They've shown this practise with Super Smash Bros, we can expect to see it again.
From what I can remember, the Game Boy Advance is one of the few times where a piece of hardware was successful after launching in spring or summer. (It launched in June 11, 2001)
That feels really weird to me. The DS lite was my first gaming device.
Only this time, we wouldn't have to worry about two separate versions if the library is shared. If they launch the console later, you already have your library with you in the handheld. That software is just accessible on the more expensive, powerful device.
Hence, iPhones and iPads.
Fourth Storm
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That doesn't work if Nintendo are making a shared platform. Iwata said they would take into account different environments for different regions.
Iwata said:
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/150508qa/02.html
Maybe we can add this quote to the OP's links?
Jonneh3003
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Yep thats what I'm most looking forward to learning about and hopefully its an official feature and not just something lost in speculation and analyzation. Lets hope we find out shortly.
It would also mean Nintendo wouldn't be developing software for two different audiences, the infamous example here being New Super Mario Bros. 2 and New Super Mario Bros. U shipping within months of each other. This should result in more franchises being covered and a greater output of software.
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