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Which engine will dominate next-gen?
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Metroid-Squadron
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That has to be a joke. Their HDR implementation is so bad it's completely unacceptable for a high end PC game.RustyNails said:
badcrumble
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I'm honestly not sure one engine will dominate next-gen, given that both UE3 and CE3 are being heavily prepped AND promoted. If one of those DOES dominate, it'll be UE3 for familiarity's sake, but I could see next-gen being more diverse than before now that everyone recognizes how insanely profitable engine licensing fees can be.
ElectricBlue187
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UE4 will probably be optimized enough to run on next gen systems and everyone will use it
Dreams-Visions
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Good luck with that.Cwarrior said:
someguyinahat
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You'd hope that, but the screenshot you provided said it was suited to non-linear RPGs. So no modern developers are going to have a need for it.
RustyNails said:
Yet the hair looks worse than FFX on PS2...
To be fair that's probably something we'll see more and more of as games move over to deferred rendering. Alpha has always been a bitch and it's even more so with a deferred engine, but without it, hair will always looks incredibly crappy.
Phonomezer
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Wazzim said:
lol
Man those Alice .gifs are making me want to play the game.
Unknown Soldier
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PumpkinPie said:
You do realize that texture streaming is a big reason why your level loads in a minute instead of in ten minutes?
I kinda wish the Naughty Dog Engine (4.0 by next gen, I'd assume) could be licensed.
Realistically though, I'd say probably UE3/4. That shit needs to be further optimized though. I'd like my textures instantly, not half an hour later. Also, less burly dudebros and better textures when viewed up close.
Realistically though, I'd say probably UE3/4. That shit needs to be further optimized though. I'd like my textures instantly, not half an hour later. Also, less burly dudebros and better textures when viewed up close.
RustyNails
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I dunno. I find the sunrise and sunset rays shimmering through tree branches to be incredibly well implemented. It's like CDPR had a vision of how art in Witcher 2 should look, and TSOOD engine made their vision into reality.Metroid-Squadron said:
RustyNails
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Which will be a problem for linear RPG developers. They have to realize sooner than later that non-linear RPGs are the way to go. Even Square realized this and started making FF 13-2, which is supposed to be non-linear and with moral choices of sort.someguyinahat said:
Yeah hair is a bit lacking in the TSOOD engine. But that's hardly the number 1 concern plaguing WRPGs though.beril said:
Diablohead
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I wish more games this gen used Capcoms internal next gen engine MT Framework, amazing shit.
All I hope is that next gen consoles from Sony and MS build upon the current PS3/360 hardware so developers don't have to build everything from scratch. That way devs with their own custom engine can continue building on that foundation instead of having to do everything from scratch, because that's when management starts to look at UE3/UE4 to save time and money.
I hated how unoptimized and samey UE3 games looked in the early years of this gen and I still haven't forgiven Epic for that.
I hated how unoptimized and samey UE3 games looked in the early years of this gen and I still haven't forgiven Epic for that.
PumpkinPie
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Phonomezer said:
Get it bought, son. It's receiving rave reviews on GAF.
Metalmurphy
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Source Engine 2.0 releasing with Half-Life 3 will blow everything else away.
Metroid-Squadron
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It certainly has proven its worth in very linear scripted games, but as a general purpose engine it would probably not fare so well.CatPee said:
RustyNails said:
1. The sun rays are a cheap post process effect, the sun has to be on the screen for them to show up.
2. Oversaturated, exaggerated bloom is the sure tell sign of bad HDR.
http://www.ripten.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/witcher2-2011-04-15-02-27-29-23.jpg
I don't have any problems with Unreal Engine 3, it's is pretty good engine and work great on consoles ( unlike CE3 so far - Crysis 2 sub HD+poor framerate) and it look like next gen console will put it on mind too ( Wii U),so I don't see it going anywhere anytime soon, and game on it can look different on it and not just the infamous gears look (games like Mass Effect , Shadow Complex,Mirror's Edge, Alice).
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Deleted member 81567
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Source Engine 2 would rock socks but since that's not happening, Frostbite 2.0 has a very large advantage in terms of quality
Just wondering, why claim the sub-HD as a negative for CE3 while most games this gen aren't exactly sporting rather high resolutions?Totobeni said:
And I wouldn't be so sure UE3 will continue to dominate next gen. RenderWare was well entrenched last gen and look where it is now. New generation, new hardware, new engines I suppose.
Ugh, alpha-tested hair.Nirolak said:
The problem isn't physics, it's blending and aliasing. Alpha-test is horrible for hair: pixels are either fully opaque of fully transparent and are aliased to hell since MSAA doesn't work on them. This is the kind of stuff that needs alpha blending to look right, but having lots of alpha-blending triangles close to each other is the way for tons of visual glitches. Sorting individual triangles it far too expensive and still cannot avoid glitches.Nirolak said:It was still the best example I could think of.
PhysX is an integrated partner though, so it's available to all licensees.
SE and other Japanese devs (and Korean as well) developed many techniques for doing alpha-blended hair. But since these "techniques" go completely against the typical Western engine design philosophies, Western devs avoided them for years.
But it seems the Epic finally gave in and implemented the workarounds in the latest UE3 (or they got it from a Korean UE3 dev), even the original Gears cast has alpha-blended hair and beards in Gears 3:
casuallyhardcore
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Fox Engine.
of course
of course
Metroid-Squadron
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Not to mention that the engine CAN run at 720p and stable 30fps on console. It's Crysis 2 that couldn't.Lesiroth said:
Don't confuse a game with an engine.
And shading. Anisotropic specular is a must for realistic hair rendering.M3d10n said:
Always-honest
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I have played some awesome games with the UE engine.Cwarrior said:
Hope they can refine it some more, but i don't get that hate towards it.
And not all UE games look alike.
Nirolak said:
Skyrim as well.
I'm fully convinced they're lying through their teeth with the new name.
It looks exactly what a Gamebryo side code branch would look like. They went in one direction for Fallout, and this is simply another, earlier in the codebase.
Since Gamebryo is a licensed product, I'm rather certain they can't slap a new name on the old pile of dog shit, but the more convincing theory I have is that since Bethesda learned mainly about engines from Gamebryo, it's not surprising the new one implements the same strategies Gamebryo does, and thus, looks like it works in exactly the same manner, with a few fixes here and there.
I NEED SCISSORS
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I honestly think BF3 looks better than the Samaritan tech demo. Too bad EA aren't licensing that shit like they did with Renderware.
wonderdung
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I NEED SCISSORS said:
Actually EA pretty much killed Renderware when they bought it. I think they still technically licensed it, but it wasn't worth anything anymore. I was working on a game using it at the time... when it became obvious that they weren't going to support us since EA owned them we ditched Renderware and wrote our own engine in-house. But not every place had the ability to do that.
EA didn't really even end up using Renderware, they just pretty much killed it for no reason. I don't think that was their original intent, but I wish they hadn't. It was a huge help for the mid-budget market which has pretty much disappeared this gen on Xbox and PS3. I kind of wonder if we'd be looking at a totally different market situation on consoles if Renderware had survived this generation.
mclaren777
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PumpkinPie said:
ElectricThunder
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Unity3D as a Darkhorse---their recent snippet of a selection of things they have in the works shows them to still be hungry and out for blood, even if only a packet or so at a time versus behemoths like UE3
http://blogs.unity3d.com/2011/06/16/unity-roadmap-2011/
http://blogs.unity3d.com/2011/06/16/unity-roadmap-2011/
I hope it will be an engine with dx11/64bit support ... Frostbite 2.0 looking good I guess?
Samaritan demo was also dx11 ... time for Crytek to step up their game IMHO (even though I'm currently going through Crysis2 SP and it looks really good, but dx11 should make an engine more efficient as well on modern hardware imho)
edit: and then there's Unigine but they've got only 1 game coming
Samaritan demo was also dx11 ... time for Crytek to step up their game IMHO (even though I'm currently going through Crysis2 SP and it looks really good, but dx11 should make an engine more efficient as well on modern hardware imho)
edit: and then there's Unigine but they've got only 1 game coming
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I hope Capcom gets smart and translate MT Framework for western devs
Its out of the very very very few Engines this gen that not only looks pretty but does 60FPS on consoles.
Its out of the very very very few Engines this gen that not only looks pretty but does 60FPS on consoles.
Anasui Kishibe
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Weenerz said:
to be fair, portal 2 has its own minimalistic style so I don't think it would fit into more machist games
nelsonroyale
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I NEED SCISSORS said:
I think the samiritan demo looks much more impressive...higher detail, better DOF, more sophisticated lighting, more complex geometry...honestly, it approximated high end CG pretty well.
However, until I can see a game looking like that BF3 obviously gets the nod
GhostWriter24
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The answer is obvious:
