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[Tobor]

In Japan?

Sony doesn't exist...

In japan...

yeah

You said PS3, not Sony.

 

[Barnolde]

The only ones who think the PS3 is failing are insecure Xbots.

 

[drohne]

And what may be the first point of irony I can comfortably vocalize ever in my life, he tries to downplay your argument of reason vs rationality / emotion vs logic by explaining that you could have been right but it was the way he felt that put him off. But I'm sure someone will point out that this is not irony.

i'm not sure exactly what you imagine i was saying, but if you think i was arguing that reason has not been eroded in our culture, then sure, for me to make an appeal to 'taste' would be ironic. so congratulations -- you have almost identified an irony. maybe.

only the trouble is that i haven't taken a position on reason vs. emotion -- i don't even see the relevance of that question to this thread. i just don't like it when real ideas get dragged into console wars horseshit. or when low business is conducted in a high tone.

 

[Son of Godzilla]

If the PS3 was selling bad in a forest, would anyone write a book about it?

 

[Saitou]

Do you understand logic?

The company making money is the winner.

Nintendo and Sony are both making money.

Sony's gaming division is a sinking ship right now.





I strongly suggest you stop posting. Entirely.

 

[Tobor]

The only ones who think the PS3 is failing are insecure Xbots.

Or people who live in reality? Can I reverse your statement? The only people who think the PS3 isn't failing are insecure PS3 owners.

 

[Evlar]

In Japan?

Sony doesn't exist...

In japan...

yeah

You used "PS3" in your previous post, and "Sony" in this one. That's interesting.

 

[jmdajr]

The only ones who think the PS3 is failing are insecure Xbots.

:lol :lol :lol

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

or when low business is conducted in a high tone.

I can't tell if that's a compliment or not.

 

[taconinja]

We follow the gaming industry. That's why we're all here. Regardless of preference, the market leader falling to dead last is a huge story.

You think because you disagree with a discussion, that discussion becomes uninteresting?

He seems to want it both ways. He seems very interested in what console wins the race as long as a console he likes is winning; otherwise, he labels it as "fanboyism."

 

[Pureauthor]

The only ones who think the PS3 is failing are insecure Xbots.

Pop quiz: Which current-gen console received a best-selling franchise from the last generation, only to have it bomb horribly in comparison to its predecessors?

If you can't answer this, don't make blind assertions, please.

 

[Tobor]

i'm not sure exactly what you imagine i was saying, but if you think i was arguing that reason has not been eroded in our culture, then sure, for me to make an appeal to 'taste' would be ironic. so congratulations -- you have almost identified an irony. maybe.

only the trouble is that i haven't said anything about reason or emotion -- i just don't like it when real ideas get dragged into console wars horseshit. or when low business is conducted in a high tone.

But isn't that your Raison d'être around here?

 

[Jon_Danger]

For a topic that apparently doesn't matter, Jon_Danger has a lot to say about it.

1: This isn't true.
2: This ISN'T TRUE!
3: From the right angle, this isn't true.
4: Only fanboys care whether it's true. It doesn't matter who's ahead.
5: It matters who's ahead!
6: This is not going to be true.
7: Look over there!


(Sorry, they keep coming and I can't keep up.)

You are funny, how can I subscribe to your newsletter?

 

[Des0lar]

The funny thing is that it must have failed months ago for the guy to have written 200+ pages and have the book published already.

Time Paradox °_°

 

[RiskyChris]

Pop quiz: Which current-gen console received a best-selling franchise from the last generation, only to have it bomb horribly in comparison to its predecessors?

If you can't answer this, don't make blind assertions, please.

Wait for Virtua Fighter 6.

Spoiler

What game are you talking about?

 

[drohne]

But isn't that your Raison d'être around here?

no, i think you'll find that my posts maintain a pretty consistent standard of triviality and scurrility

 

[Tobor]

You are funny, how can I subscribe to your newsletter?

Just click on your username, select "Find all posts by..." and read backwards.

 

[Tobor]

no, i think you'll find that my posts maintain a pretty consistent standard of triviality and scurrilousness

Yes, but in a high tone.

 

[Pureauthor]

Wait for Virtua Fighter 6.

Spoiler

What game are you talking about?

Check the latest MC thread.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Time Paradox °_°

It really doesn't take that long to write a book about something topical. It might not be very good, but if he got paid enough, it wouldn't take him more than a few weeks to write 200 pages.

 

[Jon_Danger]

He seems to want it both ways. He seems very interested in what console wins the race as long as a console he likes is winning; otherwise, he labels it as "fanboyism."

Just because I defend sony, I am a fanboy? I mean, I really hold no preference over a console. I will go where the games are, whether it is the 360 or the PS3.

I just think it is stupid to label something a failure so early in it's product cycle. The 360 took a year to take off. The PS3 won't take off till it has the software, and when it has the software and it doesn't take off. Then you can call it a failure.

 

[Brofist]

Pop quiz: Which current-gen console received a best-selling franchise from the last generation, only to have it bomb horribly in comparison to its predecessors?

If you can't answer this, don't make blind assertions, please.

Mario Party 8 sold pretty well didn't it?

Spoiler

we get the point about HSG bombing already

 

[RiskyChris]

Just because I defend sony, I am a fanboy? I mean, I really hold no preference over a console. I will go where the games are, whether it is the 360 or the PS3.

I just think it is stupid to label something a failure so early in it's product cycle. The 360 took a year to take off. The PS3 won't take off till it has the software, and when it has the software and it doesn't take off. Then you can call it a failure.

Why do you defend Sony if having an opinion on console affairs is meaningless?

 

[Barnolde]

I'm just saying it hasn't even been a year and certain people are already screaming doom and gloom.

It's selling better than the 360 did its first year, it's still very high priced and that alone is why it's not flying off the shelves.

The PS2 sales (which outsell the 360 cosntantly) allow Sony to bide their time with the PS3, so they don't have to drop the price so quick.

 

[Threi]

I will go where the games are, whether it is the 360 or the PS3.

I think there are 3 systems this gen.

Might be wrong though....=S

 

[Pureauthor]

I just think it is stupid to label something a failure so early in it's product cycle. The 360 took a year to take off. The PS3 won't take off till it has the software, and when it has the software and it doesn't take off. Then you can call it a failure.

Hardware wise, the X360 is not 'taking off' anywhere. Sales are average in the USA, ostensibly average in Europe, and abysmal in Japan. So your comparison doesn't work.

Software wise, PS3 has received games from big, bestselling franchises. The games tanked.

It's selling better than the 360 did its first year, it's still very high priced and that alone is why it's not flying off the shelves.

Selling 'better than the 360 in respective timeframe' is hardly an accomplishment. And it's not outselling the 360 NOW, which is the important thing.

The PS2 sales (which outsell the 360 cosntantly) allow Sony to bide their time with the PS3, so they don't have to drop the price so quick.

That's as ridiculous as saying that GBA sales allowed Nintendo to bide their time with the GCN.

Biding your time means you don't win the generation. Period.

 

[Tobor]

I'm just saying it hasn't even been a year and certain people are already screaming doom and gloom.

It's selling better than the 360 did its first year, it's still very high priced and that alone is why it's not flying off the shelves.

The PS2 sales (which outsell the 360 cosntantly) allow Sony to bide their time with the PS3, so they don't have to drop the price so quick.

The Wii is outselling the PS2...

 

[Hcoregamer00]

I could foresee the PS3 eventually fighting an intense battle with the XBOX 360 2 or 3 years from now for second place. What is a failure in and of itself are that we unsure whether the dominant console for the past two generations will succeed in the present generation. That in my eyes is a failure because to have the market leader fall out of favor so fast reeks of N64 era Nintendo that had a great game lineup, but was always second best.

 

[Count Dookkake]

How many years did it take for that Kutaragi (Father of the Playstation!) hagiography to get written? I read the translated version in the late 90s IIRC.

I bet this came out a little sooner in relation to the console launch, but that's just because everyone loves to laugh at a failure who brags too much before the competition.

 

[Barnolde]

The Wii is outselling the PS2...

And PS2 is outselling the 360...

Wii outsells everything, what's your point?

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

The PS3 is a failure in the marketshare sense. I don't see how this can be argued. The goal of any company is to continue to improve YOY over recent success. the PS3 is not doing that. What about that constitutes success?

 

[drohne]

Yes, but in a high tone.

you wouldn't know a high tone if it asked you to shine its exquisite leather pumps, expressed its dismay at the decline of manners when you refused, and then poked you in the eye with its cigarette holder. but in any case what i object to is the use of high ideas as an envelope for console wars stupidity -- e.g. when people talk about the evolution of games as an artform when they really mean 'i like nintendo.' i don't object to the use of colorful language in the production of console wars stupidity.

 

[Bulla564]

X360 is doing about 2x better than Xbox 1 would have done at these crazy high prices this generation. Think about it. Xbox 1 couldn't get a goddamn sale until they cut to $199 and $179. Imagine the huge pent-up demand that is waiting to buy 360s once they hit mainstream pricing.

The argument is that PS2 owners are switching to X360, which there is no evidence for. Practically the same amount of people that bought the first Xbox, have bought the X360. Aren't you they guys dead set on comparing the numbers for PS2 vs. PS3?

 

[Jon_Danger]

Hardware wise, the X360 is not 'taking off' anywhere. Sales are average in the USA, ostensibly average in Europe, and abysmal in Japan. So your comparison doesn't work.

Look at the months before and after gears of war

it took off

Also, to Threi

The Wii isn't next gen.

 

[MightyHedgehog]

I'd love for an English edition to be published soon. It has to have lots of juicy anonymous industry interviews and a time line of crazy events, right? If it doesn't, it's just stating the obvious and not much else.

 

[Hcoregamer00]

Look at the months before and after gears of war

it took off

Also, to Threi

The Wii isn't next gen.

What is this, do people have a penchant for masochism or something?

Geez

:lol

 

[Pureauthor]

Look at the months before and after gears of war

it took off

That was during holiday season. Every console gets a massive bump during holiday season.

Also, a generation is defined chronologically. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Aleman]

PS3 isn't a failure, what a noob author :lol

 

[Jokeropia]

what i object to is the use of high ideas as an envelope for console wars stupidity

The irony!

 

[Threi]

Look at the months before and after gears of war

it took off

Also, to Threi

The Wii isn't next gen.

K.

My bad.

 

[schuelma]

Look at the months before and after gears of war

it took off

Also, to Threi

The Wii isn't next gen.

Oh for Christ sakes

 

[Pureauthor]

PS3 isn't a failure, what a noob author :lol

He's right. It's a massive failure.

 

[Count Dookkake]

The funny thing is that it must have failed months ago for the guy to have written 200+ pages and have the book published already.

Not really that funny. Newspapers prepare obituaries for celebrities who are likely to die, sometimes decades before they actually kick the bucket. Once said celebrity is dead, they just update the relevant details and -voila!

 

[Jon_Danger]

That was during holiday season. Every console gets a massive bump during holiday season.

The 360 didn't really get a bump the first holiday season it came out.

Seriously, if you are arguing that Gears of War did not affect 360 sales, and it was purely timing. That is ludicrous.

Also,

sony wins

 

[Pureauthor]

The 360 didn't really get a bump the first holiday season it came out.

That was because there weren't any X360s to sell. It was masively supply constrained all the way until March.

Seriously, if you are arguing that Gears of War did not affect 360 sales, and it was purely timing. That is ludicrous.

Do you understand what 'taking off' means? It doesn't mean the plane gets two feet off the ground before hitting the runway again, it means the plane keeps rising. The X360 did not do that.

Also,

sony wins

...What?

 

[Tobor]

you wouldn't know a high tone if it asked you to shine its exquisite leather pumps, expressed its dismay at the decline of manners when you refused, and then poked you in the eye with its cigarette holder. but in any case what i object to is the use of high ideas as an envelope for console wars stupidity -- e.g. when people talk about the evolution of games as an artform when they really mean 'i like nintendo.' i don't object to the use of colorful language in the production of console wars stupidity.

I would take offense at this, but I have to go pick my butt and whistle at women on the sidewalk.

 

[Xisiqomelir]

Hakomaru = round box/circle box/box circle/etc. Original Xbox was called "Hako" which is just box in Japanese. You get the idea.

箱○ = Hakomaru

糞箱l = kusohako, literally shitbox.

Time to make a systemwars account :lol

EDIT: Wow, human/croc beasty? I always thought it was like nexgenwars but with good mods. Anyone want the 糞箱l account?

 

[Jokeropia]

The 360 didn't really get a bump the first holiday season it came out.

Massive shortages.

 

[Jon_Danger]

...What?

You should spend more time in the OT, where the cool kids hang.

 

[Pureauthor]

You should spend more time in the OT, where the cool kids hang.

I say again: What?