Why Did The PS3 Fail?

belvedere said:
I dunno, why wasn't the PS2 included in your predictable rebuttal? I know that PS2 games are still being released despite the PS2 launching long before either of the two consoles you just mentioned.

The PS2 wasn't a failure in consideration of the expectations placed upon it. The PS3 is (and the 360 isn't going to fare a whole hell of a lot better than the original XBox unless it starts selling a lot more than it is). The PS2 was the 'winner' of last gen, and the Wii is the 'winner' of this gen. All others are considered the 'losers' in the "console war".
 
Kintaro said:
You ok? You need some cold water? Here's what you said:



Did you say AAA? Did you say killer apps? No. You said Fantastic games. Warhawk is a fantastic game. Heavenly Sword is a fantastic game (albeit short). LAIR...isn't. Two out of three ain't bad.

Don't mind Cortland. He was once the greatest troll to ever grace the IGN PS3GB.
 
StevieP said:
The PS2 wasn't a failure in consideration of the expectations placed upon it. The PS3 is (and the 360 isn't going to fare a whole hell of a lot better than the original XBox unless it starts selling a lot more than it is). The PS2 was the 'winner' of last gen, and the Wii is the 'winner' of this gen. All others are considered the 'losers' in the "console war".

I think it's clear that the Wii will come out on top, but that doesn't make it's competition failures.

If the PS3 is a failure because it didn't turn a profit in it's first 9 months on the market, then what makes it any different from practically every other console launch before it?

Edit: Sorrys for the double double
 
Hmmm

I still quite like mine, but overall..

Motorstorm is completely uninteresting.
Lair is average game at best, and a example of all the PS3s technical prowess gone terribly wrong.
Heavenly Sword hardly sounds anything special, Sigma sounds the better game.

Overall I think the top 3 aren't going to be remembered well at all, Launch game syndrome, except two aren't launch games..

Sigmas good but still its just NG Black, nothing i couldnt have lived without after playing the original.
VF5 is fantastic, but wont be exclusive for long.
Resistance is good, one of the better FPS games recently, but it still doesn't really stand out amongst good shooters, its still rather plain and somewhat flawed.
Warhawk does seem good, but i haven't gotten a chance to get into it yet.

For a console needing to justify its later entry and higher price point, its failing to do so quite miserably.
 
belvedere said:
I think it's clear that the Wii will come out on top, but that doesn't make it's competition failures.

If the PS3 is a failure because it didn't turn a profit in it's first 9 months on the market, then what makes it any different from practically every other console launch before it?

Edit: Sorrys for the double double
Did you even read what you quoted? He said nothing about profit. He just said that in the console industry there's generally a "winner" and everyone else is losers. I had a GameCube last gen. I really don't have a lot of time to game anymore, so I bought about 3 games a year and enjoyed them all alot. To me the GC was fine (and it even made a profit), but I'm not fucking delirious in proclaiming that it wasn't the looser in the console wars.
 
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DemDereNads said:
The fact the system has been out 8 months at a very high price, and will be out for another 5-6 years?

Real question is after 8 months not even 1/6 - 1/7th the system's life - what makes you and all the other doom&gloomers so certain it will be a "failure" that you are willing to be already calling it so?

I keep hearing it will never end up turning a profit... you think Sony had no clue what they were doing when they were coming up with the PS3? Financially Sony would actually be worse off if they were selling more than Wii, so I don't really see how it's much worse off this early in it's life because it's not selling as well...
Since the PS3 has already lost more money than the PS2 made, it must somehow end up being more successful than the PS2 in order to make an overall profit. As insane as it sounds, the numbers don't lie and the reasonable assumption is that won't.
 
TigersFan said:
Did you even read what you quoted? He said nothing about profit. He just said that in the console industry there's generally a "winner" and everyone else is losers. I had a GameCube last gen. I really don't have a lot of time to game anymore, so I bought about 3 games a year and enjoyed them all alot. To me the GC was fine (and it even made a profit), but I'm not fucking delirious in proclaiming that it wasn't the looser in the console wars.

It seems as if you've missed the point entirely. You saw the thread title right? It should still read "Why did the PS3 fail?", not "Why is the PS3 currently in last place, in certain territories and other vague regards?".
 
belvedere said:
It seems as if you've missed the point entirely. You saw the thread title right? It should still read "Why did the PS3 fail?", not "Why is the PS3 currently in last place, in certain territories and other vague regards?".

Both mean the same thing.
 
Tobor said:
Both mean the same thing.

In no way are they the same thing.

For one, fail insinuates a situation that has already passed, or past tense. It's not stated as "failing" it's stated as "fail", already come and gone. I could be way off base here, but it's not as if the PS3 is even remotely close to the end of it's life cycle, making it a bit too early to make such drastic claims.
 
Jokeropia said:
Since the PS3 has already lost more money than the PS2 made, it must somehow end up being more successful than the PS2 in order to make an overall profit. As insane as it sounds, the numbers don't lie and the reasonable assumption is that won't.

The PS3 has lost more money than the PS2 made? :lol
 
belvedere said:
In no way are they the same thing.

For one, fail insinuates a situation that has already passed, or past tense. It's not stated as "failing" it's stated as "fail", already come and gone. I could be way off base here, but it's not as if the PS3 is even remotely close to the end of it's life cycle, making it a bit too early to make such drastic claims.
Keep in mind there is a substantial time zone difference between here and Japan. That is why we often marvel at pictures of Tokyo, which in fact exists in the future. So while the PS3 is still "failing" here in normal time, it has already crossed the event threshold and "failed" in Tokyo Future Time.
 
belvedere said:
In no way are they the same thing.

For one, fail insinuates a situation that has already passed, or past tense. It's not stated as "failing" it's stated as "fail", already come and gone. I could be way off base here, but it's not as if the PS3 is even remotely close to the end of it's life cycle, making it a bit too early to make such drastic claims.

A product can be called a failure long before the end of its life cycle. You are indeed way off base.

And what Draft said.
 
-viper- said:
So true. The amount of shit that comes out of some people on this forum is quite unbelievable.
I know, there's actually a guy who thinks the PS3 will sell 100 million and be in first place by the end of this gen. :lol

PEOPLE BE CRAZY
 
jonabbey said:
The PS3 has lost more money than the PS2 made? :lol

I think he meant that the whole PS3 venture cost Sony $2 billion for R & D and stuff and hasn't come close to making that back yet.

And also, what Draft said.
 
camineet said:
I can't believe a thread titled "Why Did The PS3 Fail" is being allowed to survive unclosed.

14 F'ing pages!
It's because it's the title of the book. We're discussing merits of literature here, man. Pretty hoity-toity stuff. We've got some...'Peak Freans' cookies here? I don't even know what the fuck, but this one with jam in the middle is aces.
 
Tobor said:
A product can be called a failure long before the end of its life cycle. You are indeed way off base.

And what Draft said.


You could get a good look at a t-bone by sticking your head up a bulls ass, or you could just take the chef's word for it.

:D
 
belvedere said:
You could get a good look at a t-bone by sticking your head up a bulls ass, or you could just take the chef's word for it.

:D

Read the thread title, the chef just told you it's a t-bone.
 
jonabbey said:
You can tell that, since none of us have read it.
Just like a real book club!

Don't you hate that bitch Christine? She obviously read the book and is lording that over the rest of us. Her new hair colour is uuugly too, doesn't match her skin tone at all, that is, if we could see her skin tone under all that make-up.
 
Jokeropia said:
Since the PS3 has already lost more money than the PS2 made, it must somehow end up being more successful than the PS2 in order to make an overall profit. As insane as it sounds, the numbers don't lie and the reasonable assumption is that won't.

Blu-Ray royalties, wha?
 
Tobor said:
Read the thread title, the chef just told you it's a t-bone.


The chef gave me that t-bone rare when I asked for it medium, but I sent it back for him to fix before prematurely labeling it a "failure".

:D
 
belvedere said:
The chef gave me that t-bone rare when I asked for it medium, but I sent it back for him to fix before prematurely labeling it a "failure".

:D

I bet Sony wishes they could send it back to the kitchen right about now. :lol

Seriously, we've run out of insults at this point.
 
belvedere said:
The chef gave me that t-bone rare when I asked for it medium, but I sent it back for him to fix before prematurely labeling it a "failure".

:D

For a cook that is an oversight. For a chef that is a dismal failure.
 
Tobor said:
I bet Sony wishes they could send it back to the kitchen right about now. :lol

Seriously, we've run out of insults at this point.

Yeah... Sony doom and bloomers are getting sad at this point.
 
P90 said:
For a cook that is an oversight. For a chef that is a dismal failure.

Not if you've known the chef for several years, who has also delivered two delicious steaks in previous visits.

I like where this analogy is going!
 
sakuragi said:
Im sorry, but :lol

The console that is in the PS2 position right now is the Wii since its selling in Japan, Europe and the US. Plus, its going (or it did) outsell the Xbox 360 even with the one year head start

Well, yes and no. the Xbox 360 is the position that the PS2 is in (the third parties are putting all of their premiere titles on the Xbox 360, and the PS3. The 360 has the larger userbase out of the two.)

The Wii is in a class of its own. I really put in a different category, as unlike the PS2, its not going to get nearly as many third party ports (due to its unique control scheme), and its going to get unique games, sure. The mainstream games that the Playstation 2 got, probably not (not saying that the Wii won't have AAA games.... just that you won't see a lot of 360 or PS3 ports to Wii, either).

The Playstation 3 is a failure. Let's begin with another list (so I can bring focus to the points) :

1) from the American Heritage Dictionary,

fail·ure (fāl'yər) Pronunciation Key
n.

1. The condition or fact of not achieving the desired end or ends: the failure of an experiment.
2. One that fails: a failure at one's career.
3. The condition or fact of being insufficient or falling short: a crop failure.
4. A cessation of proper functioning or performance: a power failure.
5. Nonperformance of what is requested or expected; omission: failure to report a change of address.
6. The act or fact of failing to pass a course, test, or assignment.
7. A decline in strength or effectiveness.
8. The act or fact of becoming bankrupt or insolvent.

Let's see, which apply to the Playstation 3? certainly #1, #3, #4, #5, #7.

The Xbox was a failure, but its Microsoft. If I remember my figures correctly, they headed into the videogame market with a $43 billion dollar war chest knowing they were going to lose money. They did, but they got their foot in the market.... so while the Xbox was a failure, its one that MS saw coming.

The Gamecube, was a setback. The third party support evaporated for a large part, and Nintendo had to, pretty much, support their console on their own. They did so, by wise business strategies, that allowed them to survive until they could release the Wii and the DS.

I DARE any future member of the Sony Defense Force to show me a passage, a study, a single measly scrap of evidence that : a) the Playstation 3, is in reality, making Sony money right now. I don't care if they might make the profit back in the future if it does well, that's not what my, others, and the author's point is. b) The Playstation 3 has some formula for increased marketshare.

As I said, I like the Playstation 3, and would like to buy one. I cannot justify this purchase, given the lack of a significant amount of games that appeal to me NOW. I don't care that FFXIII is coming (the only game I really want for the PS3 anyways), show me others.... I'm not paying $560.00 plus tax for a system that plays FFXIII.

The Playstation 3 tried to take on both Microsoft and Nintendo. They're competing head-to-head with MS, and they tried to throw in waggle too.... but they're failing at it. The DC also had a goal, 5 million userbase and they could survive until next gen (they'd still lose a ton of money). I'm not saying that can't happen here, but the Playstation 3 cannot be considered a success, and it can't be said of it that it's doing alright.... right now, it is an overall failure. Just live with it, and move on.... and hope that Sony does something to turn it around quick. No one's saying they couldn't make a comeback.... just that given the history of the market, when others have had a run similar to this, they couldn't recover. All we ask, is that you let the Playstation 3 join their club, until proven otherwise.

I agree, close this thread now.... let those who cannot be persuaded by reason and reality find some other thread to pollute.
 
If I can borrow the food analogy a second...

The chefs at Sony have, in my opinion, delivered a medium-rare and well aged t-bone steak (PS3). They are charging accordingly for it (more than most can afford). Unfortunately, burgers (like the Wii) are much cheaper and more popular with the mainstream. That doesn't mean the burger is better than the steak.
 
K0NY said:
If I can borrow the food analogy a second...

The chefs at Sony have, in my opinion, delivered a medium-rare and well aged t-bone steak (PS3). They are charging accordingly for it (more than most can afford). Unfortunately, burgers (like the Wii) are much cheaper and more popular with the mainstream. That doesn't mean the burger is better than the steak.
Thanks, Hideo.
 
K0NY said:
If I can borrow the food analogy a second...

The chefs at Sony have, in my opinion, delivered a medium-rare and well aged t-bone steak (PS3). They are charging accordingly for it (more than most can afford). Unfortunately, burgers (like the Wii) are much cheaper and more popular with the mainstream. That doesn't mean the burger is better than the steak.

Unless you're selling the steak for less than you paid for it, while the burger guys clean up.
 
chubigans said:
Not if you've known the chef for several years, who has also delivered two delicious steaks in previous visits.

I like where this analogy is going!

That don't work on Iron Chef or when I go to a restaurant and pay big $$$.
 
K0NY said:
If I can borrow the food analogy a second...

The chefs at Sony have, in my opinion, delivered a medium-rare and well aged t-bone steak (PS3). They are charging accordingly for it (more than most can afford). Unfortunately, burgers (like the Wii) are much cheaper and more popular with the mainstream. That doesn't mean the burger is better than the steak.

I see it more as a steak that tastes like a burger.
 
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