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[Count Dookkake]

Hmm, someone was obviously absent from the Internet when Sony's game devision carried Sony while their electronics section was bombing hard. Now the opposite is true :lol how Ironic.

Yeah, but the ability of one division to "float" another has no bearing on whether or not the second is a failure.

You know... I think that's one of the actual quotes from a "No Fear" T-Shirt!

Oh, no. What have I done? [hangs head in shame]

 

[Evlar]

u guys do realize that not a singel AAA has been out yet and the console isent even a year old rite ?

damn cry babies...wait xbox fanboys

The fact that no AAA game has been released yet isn't a point in the console's favor, honestly.

 

[Arde5643]

Really? You mean as they earn money back and potentially getting out of the red? That isn't dramatic?

By when? There's got to be a treshold date set here. When? After how long it takes 360 to make it out of red? After how long it takes Wii to make it out of red? After how long it takes PS2 to make it out of red?

You also know the more they cut down the price of PS3, the more money they lose, right? Basic math 101 and all that?

Actually i would feel better if I had some comparable hardware and features, instead of sales from non-games to masturbate to.

Awesome, finally we get to meet the real you.

Nice meeting you, troll - the exit's just out that way.

 

[Rolf NB]

Mine still works.
*dabum pish*
*confetti*

 

[Arde5643]

u guys do realize that not a singel AAA has been out yet and the console isent even a year old rite ?

damn cry babies...wait xbox fanboys

Sorry for saying you're from Gamefaqs, Pharmacy.

Looks like the moment I thought you were from Gamefaqs, a real life zit faced teen straight from Gamefaqs joined the thread.

Talk about embarassing.

 

[Jokeropia]

Hmm, someone was obviously absent from the Internet when Sony's game devision carried Sony while their electronics section was bombing hard. Now the opposite is true how Ironic.

Like Count Dookkake said, what does the performance of the electronics division has to do with whether PS3 can turn a profit or not? This topic is not about Sony as a whole.

 

[belvedere]

That's fine, but if you go by the definition that making a profit = success, it is very probable that Gamecube is the only success of the two.

Another classic comparison.

Valid too, seeing that the Gamecube has completed it's life cycle while the PS3 is still in it's infancy.

Is this the first console launch you've ever witnessed?

 

[Jokeropia]

Another classic comparison.

Valid too, seeing that the Gamecube has completed it's life cycle while the PS3 is still in it's infancy.

Is this the first console launch you've ever witnessed?

Nintendo made a healthy profit on the year of the Gamecube's launch. PS3 has already lost SCEI more money that they've made since the release of the PS2.

 

[taconinja]

The real Mr. Belvedere was a master of sarcasm. Oh, Mr. Belvedere.

Streaks on the china,
never mattered before,
who cares.
When you dropped kicked your jacket
As you came through the door,
No one glared.
But sometimes things get turned around
And no one’s spared.
All hands look out below
here’s a change in the status quo.
Gonna need all the help that we can get.
According to our new arrival
Life is more than mere survival
We just might live the good life yet.

I liked the televisions series, but I will always hold a spot in my heart for the movies.

 

[DemDereNads]

Yeah, but the ability of one division to "float" another has no bearing on whether or not the second is a failure.

Just saying... the guy said tit's probable that the GC was the only one who made profit.

By when? There's got to be a treshold date set here. When? After how long it takes 360 to make it out of red? After how long it takes Wii to make it out of red? After how long it takes PS2 to make it out of red?

You also know the more they cut down the price of PS3, the more money they lose, right? Basic math 101 and all that?

I wouldn't be trying to insinuate someone has poor math skills with the little fanboy rant paragraph before it, basically begging for a date you could finally call PS3 a failure.

 

[mepaco]

Another classic comparison.

Valid too, seeing that the Gamecube has completed it's life cycle while the PS3 is still in it's infancy.

Is this the first console launch you've ever witnessed?

What about the PS3s future makes you believe that it will change drastically from where it is now? It will not be number 1 in market share and at this rate (continued price cuts resulting in higher losses) it will be hard for it to make a profit, especially before this gen is over.

Nintendo made a healthy profit on the year of the Gamecube's launch. PS3 has already lost SCEI more money that they've made since the release of the PS2.

Wow, really?! I knew it was bad but not this bad.

 

[DemDereNads]

Like Count Dookkake said, what does the performance of the electronics division has to do with whether PS3 can turn a profit or not? This topic is not about Sony as a whole.

You are just as poor at following a conversation as he is. Go read what I was actually replying to.

 

[Jokeropia]

Just saying... the guy said tit's probable that the GC was the only one who made profit.

It is quite probable that GC is the only one of GC and PS3 to make a profit, yes. Sony's electronics division has got nothing to do with this. (I shouldn't even have to point that out.)

 

[diddlyD]

u guys do realize that not a singel AAA has been out yet and the console isent even a year old rite ?

damn cry babies...wait xbox fanboys

the atari jaguar has yet to get a AAA game either. just wait.

but seriously, "Why Did The PS3 Fail?" is a pretty trollish and flame bait-ish title to have for a thread on NeoGAF... especially when it was changed to this by a mod. Are they just trying to weed people out?

 

[DemDereNads]

It is quite probable that GC is the only one of GC and PS3 to make a profit, yes. Sony's electronics division has got nothing to do with this. (I shouldn't even have to point that out.)

Oh, well guess I was the one who read something wrong... I thought you were talking about last generation, as opposed to trying to predict the future. I shouldn't have given you that much credit.

 

[Jokeropia]

Oh, well guess I was the one who read something wrong... I thought you were talking about last generation, as opposed to trying to predict the future. I shouldn't have given you that much credit.

Predicting a future where PS3 fails to make a profit is not exactly hard. Like I said, it has already lost SCEI more money than the PS2 has made them since release.

 

[Evlar]

the atari jaguar has yet to get a AAA game either. just wait.

but seriously, "Why Did The PS3 Fail?" is a pretty trollish and flame bait-ish title to have for a thread on NeoGAF... especially when it was changed to this by a mod. Are they just trying to weed people out?

It's the name of the book that's supposedly the topic of the thread. And all the mod did was remove the Japanese title and leave the English translation.

 

[mepaco]

the atari jaguar has yet to get a AAA game either. just wait.

but seriously, "Why Did The PS3 Fail?" is a pretty trollish and flame bait-ish title to have for a thread on NeoGAF... especially when it was changed to this by a mod. Are they just trying to weed people out?

You didn't even look at the OP did you?

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

the atari jaguar has yet to get a AAA game either. just wait.

but seriously, "Why Did The PS3 Fail?" is a pretty trollish and flame bait-ish title to have for a thread on NeoGAF... especially when it was changed to this by a mod. Are they just trying to weed people out?

It's the name of the book the thread is about. I realize the thread is big, but you generally should at least read the first post in any thread you plan on contributing to.

 

[Mojovonio]

This thread lives up to its potential!

 

[Evlar]

Oh, well guess I was the one who read something wrong... I thought you were talking about last generation, as opposed to trying to predict the future. I shouldn't have given you that much credit.

What's wrong with trying to predict the future? You seem to have an objection to it but most of the console discussion on GAF swirls around guessing the future.

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

u guys do realize that not a singel AAA has been out yet and the console isent even a year old rite ?

damn cry babies...wait xbox fanboys

I think you are actually the worst new poster I've seen. Ever. Take a bag, fill it with cats, and shake it - the noise will contribute more to NeoGAF than you just did.

 

[Kittonwy]

HSJMFC at all the PS3 haters coming out of the woodworks wanting it to fail.

 

[Count Dookkake]

You are just as poor at following a conversation as he is. Go read what I was actually replying to.

Oh, well guess I was the one who read something wrong...

:lol

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

I didn't fail my test. Getting half of the answers right is just... not meeting scoring expectations.

 

[diddlyD]

It's the name of the book the thread is about. I realize the thread is big, but you generally should at least read the first post in any thread you plan on contributing to.

right, i remember the thread from yesterday. but taking out the parenthesis and the original japanese title make it look like a gamefaqs troll.

 

[Sharp]

How did this thread actually get worse overnight.

 

[Arde5643]

I wouldn't be trying to insinuate someone has poor math skills with the little fanboy rant paragraph before it, basically begging for a date you could finally call PS3 a failure.

How about this - when did we call Gamecube and original Xbox a failure then? Should we go by that treshold?

As much as fanboyism goes, I'm a fanboy to the current market leader, meaning in previous generations I was a fanboy to:
SNES
PS1
PS2
WII

So far I've been right in regards to my fanboyism and I expect nothing different this generation either.
The only console so far that hasn't been called a failure compared to the market leader in all those generations is SEGA Genesis.
Everything else after that has been called a failure due to how poor they performed against expectations.

N64 and Gamecube still made profit despite performing lackluster and poorly in marketshare and yet they're still called a failure.


So I really have no idea why some deluded still insist that PS3 isn't a failure compared to all the other consoles right now.

 

[DemDereNads]

What's wrong with trying to predict the future? You seem to have an objection to it but most of the console discussion on GAF swirls around guessing the future.

It becomes more than just predicting it... people start to debate the future and bring up big arguments about it, instead of just doing the sensible thing that doesn't make people look like jackasses.

@Count - what can I say... My brain hit a blind spot and filled in the information with stuff that actually made sense. I guess my subconscious wouldn't allow me to believe someone is trying to argue the future.

Predicting a future where PS3 fails to make a profit is not exactly hard. Like I said, it has already lost SCEI more money than the PS2 has made them since release.

To believe this, this early, is basically believing Sony intended to never make back the initial investment.

 

[DemDereNads]

How about this - when did we call Gamecube and original Xbox a failure then? Should we go by that treshold?

You're asking the wrong person as I don't consider either a failure.

GC made Nintendo money. GC has a lot of great games for the owners to play.
Xbox got Microsoft into the market. Microsoft has a ton of money to burn, so the loss is literally "no big deal" XBox has a TON of great games for the owners to play.

 

[Count Dookkake]

@Count - what can I say... My brain hit a blind spot and filled in the information with stuff that actually made sense. I guess my subconscious wouldn't allow me to believe someone is trying to argue the future.

This is why it is a good idea to avoid insults when engaging in debate, you retarded asshole.

 

[mepaco]

To believe this, this early, is basically believing Sony intended to never make back the initial investment.

So, I'll ask you the same question I asked earlier: What about the PS3s future makes you believe that it will change drastically from where it is now? It will not be number 1 in market share and at this rate (continued price cuts resulting in higher losses) it will be hard for it to make a profit, especially before this gen is over.

 

[DemDereNads]

This is why it is a good idea to avoid insults when engaging in debate, you retarded asshole.

I reread that a few times to make sure you weren't calling me a friendly fellow... I'm pretty sure you just insulted me. And I said you were poor at following a conversation, not sure how that's an insult unless your skin is as thin as paper.

So, I'll ask you the same question I asked earlier: What about the PS3s future makes you believe that it will change drastically from where it is now? It will not be number 1 in market share and at this rate (continued price cuts resulting in higher losses) it will be hard for it to make a profit, especially before this gen is over.

The fact the system has been out 8 months at a very high price, and will be out for another 5-6 years?

Real question is after 8 months not even 1/6 - 1/7th the system's life - what makes you and all the other doom&gloomers so certain it will be a "failure" that you are willing to be already calling it so?

I keep hearing it will never end up turning a profit... you think Sony had no clue what they were doing when they were coming up with the PS3? Financially Sony would actually be worse off if they were selling more than Wii, so I don't really see how it's much worse off this early in it's life because it's not selling as well...

 

[vilmer_]

The PS3 failed?! That's too bad, maybe I'll sell it.

 

[Count Dookkake]

I reread that a few times to make sure you weren't calling me a friendly fellow... I'm pretty sure you just insulted me. And I said you were poor at following a conversation, not sure how that's an insult unless your skin is as thin as paper.

There is no insult in what I posted. It was a joke. I make a statement about avoiding insults and then follow it up by calling you a retarded asshole. You see, that causes an incongruity within the sentence. By that, I mean, the first half of the sentence (the nice part) is at odds with the second half (the mean part). In the ear (or eye) of the audience, this causes cognitive dissonance which at times can result in laughter. If the audience, of course, is not a retarded asshole.

EDIT- The severity (or lack thereof) of your insult is not the question. You can admit that it was intended as a light-hearted jab at us. Just like the severity of the PS3's failure, there are matters of degree, but a failure is a failure.

 

[Arde5643]

You're asking the wrong person as I don't consider either a failure.

GC made Nintendo money. GC has a lot of great games for the owners to play.
Xbox got Microsoft into the market. Microsoft has a ton of money to burn, so the loss is literally "no big deal" XBox has a TON of great games for the owners to play.

So...we're all winners here is the "in" thing now?

Just like how Gamecube and 360 got a great range of selection of games, fuckloads tons of diverse genres, and tons of experimental games like PS2?

[img=we're_all_winners_jock_giving_retarded_n_disabled_kids_medals.gif][/img]

 

[DemDereNads]

There is no insult in what I posted. It was a joke. I make a statement about avoiding insults and then follow it up by calling you a retarded asshole. You see, that causes an incongruity within the sentence. By that, I mean, the first half of the sentence (the nice part) is at odds with the second half (the mean part). In the ear (or eye) of the audience, this causes cognitive dissonance which at times can result in laughter. If the audience, of course, is not a retarded asshole.

EDIT- The severity (or lack thereof) of your insult is not the question. You can admit that it was intended as a light-hearted jab at us. Just like the severity of the PS3's failure, there are matters of degree, but a failure is a failure.

Oh, I see... want to make out?

 

[DemDereNads]

So...we're all winners here is the "in" thing now?

Just like how Gamecube and 360 got a great range of selection of games, fuckloads tons of diverse genres, and tons of experimental games like PS2?

[img=we're_all_winners_jock_giving_retarded_n_disabled_kids_medals.gif][/img]

We're all winners?

Only winners seem to be people who own multiple consoles and don't live and die by fanboyish sales numbers.

Someone should introduce you to sports or something so you stop treating the video game industry like a Gladiator death match.

 

[J-Rzez]

This thread is full of nonsense, as expected, it's getting worse...

Like it or not, Resistance:FoM IS an AAA title... Great gameplay, decent story, decent length, great sound, great graphics, tons of polish, and the measuring stick for Online MP games... That title hit Day 1... And there's more coming very very very soon...

 

[Jocchan]

I think you are actually the worst new poster I've seen. Ever. Take a bag, fill it with cats, and shake it - the noise will contribute more to NeoGAF than you just did.

I agree, we shouldn't have changed topic back from pizza toppings.

Spoiler

Pineapple... ARGH.... gotta try that

 

[mepaco]

We're all winners?

Only winners seem to be people who own multiple consoles and don't live and die by fanboyish sales numbers.

Someone should introduce you to sports or something so you stop treating the video game industry like a Gladiator death match.

Don't confuse your personal enjoyment of a console with its success or failure from a business perspective. This entire thread is about it failing to live up to Sony's expectations, so if you aren't here to discuss the business side of the issue, don't bother.

I agree, we shouldn't have changed topic back from pizza toppings.

Spoiler

Pineapple... ARGH.... gotta try that

I don't know if they still have it but Papa Johns used to have some sort of barbeque chicken/pineapple pizza that was awesome. I found it; it is the Hawaiian Barbeque Chicken Pizza. Delicious.

 

[Rolf NB]

HSJMFC at all the PS3 haters coming out of the woodworks wanting it to fail.

I need that acronym explained to me. The lack of knowledge leaves room for theories, and don't ask me about these theories, because I'm not going to tell you, I just want them repleaced quickly.

 

[Christine]

I need that acronym explained to me. The lack of knowledge leaves room for theories, and don't ask me about these theories, because I'm not going to tell you, I just want them repleaced quickly.

Holy Shit, Jesus Mother Fucking Christ might not be the exact wording, but it was clearly the intent.

 

[noleshark]

So, I'll ask you the same question I asked earlier: What about the PS3s future makes you believe that it will change drastically from where it is now? It will not be number 1 in market share and at this rate (continued price cuts resulting in higher losses) it will be hard for it to make a profit, especially before this gen is over.

You are assuming that the production costs remain constant. That is not the case in manufacturing. Now you are correct that the PS3 will not reach number 1 in market share, but to think that Sony has not already and will not lower production costs is asinine.

 

[Battersea Power Station]

The PS3 failed?! That's too bad, maybe I'll sell it.

Don't, man. It still serves as a decent if annoyingly shaped Blu-Ray player and a so-so media hub. Keep it around.

 

[mepaco]

You are assuming that the production costs remain constant. That is not the case in manufacturing. Now you are correct that the PS3 will not reach number 1 in market share, but to think that Sony has not already and will not lower production costs is asinine.

I never said that, but with possibly two price drops in the first year I don't think it is a stretch to say that they might be dropping the price faster than manufacturing costs are dropping. And yes, they will eventually make a profit on each unit, but it will take a long time to recover all the initial losses.

 

[Rolf NB]

Holy Shit, Jesus Mother Fucking Christ might not be the exact wording, but it was clearly the intent.

Thank you kind sir, my soul has been saved.

 

[Brofist]

HSJMFC at all the PS3 haters coming out of the woodworks wanting it to fail.

Pretty much the way it will be until it's affordable to the masses here.

 

[DemDereNads]

Don't confuse your personal enjoyment of a console with its success or failure from a business perspective. This entire thread is about it failing to live up to Sony's expectations, so if you aren't here to discuss the business side of the issue, don't bother..

Sorry, your cronies said "we're all winners" - perhaps you should be quoting him, not me.

I've also answered quite a few times about the system living up to Sony's expectations.

I'm sure Sony expects it to help push blu-ray and to eventually turn a profit. If the naysayers agree with those expectations, and still call it a failure, they should try their luck making picks in vegas.

 

[noleshark]

I never said that, but with possibly two price drops in the first year I don't think it is a stretch to say that they might be dropping the price faster than manufacturing costs are dropping. And yes, they will eventually make a profit on each unit, but it will take a long time to recover all the initial losses.

You are still making an assumption that is true. Who the hell knows? And Sony won't tell a soul. Just have to keep an eye on the quarterly earnings reports.