Why Did The PS3 Fail?
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jonabbey said:
I realize that you don't want to believe it (and I agree that it does sound crazy), but it's true. Here're SCEI's fiscal year results from the release of the PS2 through March 31 2007. (Q1 FY 08.)-viper- said:
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FY Sony
2001 -409,000,000
2002 623,000,000
2003 939,000,000
2004 650,000,000
2005 404,000,000
2006 75,000,00
2007 -1,969,000,000
2008 -237,000,000 (Q1 only)
Totals 76,000,000It's a possibility, but Blu-Ray has a long long way to go before it can be considered the successor to the DVD.DemDereNads said:
jarrod said:I like Microsoft's steak myself... lower price, equal quality and way more sides.
What is this? Did the whole 360 hardware catastrophe not happen? Equal quality?
The PS3 is hurting in the network effects game right now, and Sony is going to have to step it up, absolutely. But there's nothing blocking in the system's hardware or software, it's all down to price, public perception (witness this thread), and developer support.
Has the PS3 got to the point where the market for it is going to collapse and it's never going to get any better than it is right now? Because that's what happened to the GameCube and the XBox. If Sony has lost heart, and aren't willing to even try to market, to cut deals, to get the games, to get the hardware sold, then yeah, the PS3 has failed.
If Sony still has the balls to make a fight about it, they still have some room to move, they do have Blu-Ray, they do have PS2 compatibilty and a large user base that might be persuadable to upsell so that they have a nice hi-def movie player under their TV that can still play their PS2 games, along with some (please, god, please) AAA titles that will be coming real soon now.
It's not a failure yet, it's in third place with piss-ass momentum and no evidence that Sony knows what to do about it yet.
If Sony shows that evidence, it's not over. The 360 has succeeded in part because the 25 million whatever XBox owners from last-gen liked their XBox just fine despite the second place finish it came to, and they were ready to sign on the dotted line with Microsoft this gen, despite the legendarily ridiculous hardware problems, the locked down hard drive, the expensive peripherals, the live cost.
Sony has fans too (we're the ones arguing this question here), and there are a lot of people out there with PS2's who haven't yet made the move to the next generation. If Sony can get some excitement going, if they can convert some of those PS2 hold outs, it's not over yet.
No matter how disappointed and frustrating us Sony fans find all of this right now.
Beer Monkey
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PS3 is more like a cow that you hope has potential to deliver great steak in the future.
Segata Sanshiro
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I'm familiar with the term in that sense, but I can't help but think he grabbed the wrong word there.The Sphinx said:
beermonkey@tehbias said:
The PS3 is a steak we ordered well, but came out a little rare. Fortunately, it is something that a little more time in the grill, and extra seasoning, will make it taste the same if not better than our previous steaks.
p.s. Many won't go for a burger, after they enjoy steak
p.s.s. The other steak restaurant is not really changing the menu that much, so not many new customers will be jumping in.
/Kojima.
MightyHedgehog
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And then it goes all 'mad cow' on ya.beermonkey@tehbias said:
Yeah, but Microsoft's steak requires also paying rent to share a table with your friends and family and enjoy it together.jarrod said:I like Microsoft's steak myself... lower price, equal quality and way more sides.
Aurean_Mentat said:
Your "certainly" is not certain in the least. I don't understand how any of those definitions apply to the Playstation 3.
1. You need to be at the end of something to judge whether the "desired end" has been achieved.
3. Please provide a "fact" in which the PS3 has fallen short. Otherwise this makes no sense.
4. How has the PS3 stopped functioning or performing?
5. I also don't see how PS3 is not performing as expected, considering it's doing better than PS2 did in the same timeframe.
7. This last one made me laugh. Since, having a PS3, I've seen nothing but improvements in its functionality and effectiveness as a gaming console since the launch.
Your PS3 bashing is the only thing I can see in that post which conforms to the definition of "failure."
GenericPseudonym
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jonabbey said:
The RRoD is bad, but its not terrible. I got it once, it took me all of two weeks to deal with and I got a free month of Live for my trouble. It wasn't that bad. Plus you pay to play, the 360 catalogue far and away destroys everything else.
Bulla564 said:
And if you expect this particular cow to produce a similar 100million pieces of meat, you're in candyland.
PS I love steak. I have burger far more often, however. I'm like most other people.
PPS A battle between these 2 steak restaurants for 1/4 of the market is still futile compared to how much that burger restaurant is selling. The best part is that the burger restaurant used to be called "Playstation".
GenericPseudonym
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jonabbey said:
I spent $500 (CDN) for the "next gen" titles, not to play games I could have on a system I either already own or easily could own for less.
Edit: WTF changing your posts. What are these "network effects" you keep mentioning?
GenericPseudonym said:
Sorry, I realized the backwards compatible thing was stretching it, I didn't want to have to stand on that, true though it is that the PS3 library is significant inasmuch as it encompasses Blu-Ray, PS2, and PS1 games in addition to PS3 downloads and discs.
A network effect is that property by which a certain good or service becomes exponentially more valuable, the more people have the good or subscribe to the service. It's the foundational theory behind Microsoft's vast wealth in the PC market, and it's what every tech company since then has striven for in order to gain riches.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_effects
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Bulla564 said:
The PS2 had by far the worst hardware and the best sales. The Wii is in the same boat, the only reason the PS2 had so many games is because of sales. The Wii will turn around.
Catchpenny
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I want to know how you get 207 pages out of overpriced, no games, difficult to program for and superior competition.
One thing to all those who say you can't judge something as a failure until it is over, do you really think Sony expected to be in this position right now? As a business, they forecast their expected earnings for every quarter and I can promise you that they have fallen well short of that. They did not plan on being this far behind, having to slash prices this much in their initial assessment of where they would be 6 months after launch. So, since it has not met any of their forecasts or expectations it is a failure. Could it turn around in the future ... possibly, but that doesn't mean it isn't a failure right now.
And this steak analogy is ridiculous. How about this: Sony is like a steak chain owner who has successful restaurants in several locations. Normally he would do some market research and determine if an area was a good place to open his next restaurant but by this time he is convinced that everyone loves steak (I mean, come on, its delicious), so he will just open a new location without looking at the economic situation. Meanwhile, a burger joint owner realizes that the same neighborhood is low income and the demographic is perfect for his type of food. The burger joint thrives and the steak place goes out of business because they didn't give the market what it wanted or at a price they could bear. Quit trying to act as if people just don't get the fact that the steak is more valuable. It is Sony's fault for not giving the people what they wanted.
And this steak analogy is ridiculous. How about this: Sony is like a steak chain owner who has successful restaurants in several locations. Normally he would do some market research and determine if an area was a good place to open his next restaurant but by this time he is convinced that everyone loves steak (I mean, come on, its delicious), so he will just open a new location without looking at the economic situation. Meanwhile, a burger joint owner realizes that the same neighborhood is low income and the demographic is perfect for his type of food. The burger joint thrives and the steak place goes out of business because they didn't give the market what it wanted or at a price they could bear. Quit trying to act as if people just don't get the fact that the steak is more valuable. It is Sony's fault for not giving the people what they wanted.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
why not just go the whole hog and try and make out that PS3 fans are true epicures whilst everyone else is a prole?
Thing is, it`s not the proles eating rabbit turds out of ice cream cones right now whilst trying to make out they are having caviar our of unicorn horns.
JCBossman said:
Well, see, that's the thing about network effects. If the network effects aren't running towards a platform you've invested in, that platform is ultimately worth a great deal less to you.
It's that aspect of network effects which makes fanboys so rabid in markets dominated by network effects. It's why the Blu-Ray and HD-DVD fans are so incredibly unpleasant to be around when they are 'talking' to each other.
If you own a Ford, it doesn't take away anything at all from the utility I can get from my Toyota.. we both drive on the same roads, we use the same gasoline, we can buy tires at all the same places, etc.
If you own only an XBox 360 and I own only a PS3, you are contributing (to whatever miniscule extent) to the strangulation of my platform in the network effects race, and I'm doing the same to you.
This, incidentally, is why Microsoft has Live.. Achievements and the integrated Friends system are tools to reinforce network effects on the 360. The more of your friends own a 360, the more likely you'll tip to buying a new game on the 360, even if that game happened to be slightly better in some other way on a competing platform. The more people on Live, the more Live is worth to the users who subscribe.
My biggest mystery about Sony this generation is why Sony isn't consciously, strategically targeting these effects the way Microsoft has. I guess they're trying, but they don't seem to have anyone as cunning or as machievellian as Microsoft has.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
Indeed it is, X360 is over for MS in Japan. It`s, once again, a dog product - and very little will save it. For MS they have to go big at launch to capture the audience. Unless they launch with something rediculous like FF14 and DQ10 , then i don`t see them ever turning things around here to any meaningful extent.
However, over at camp Sony, 20k peaks for the new Playstation must look horrific right about now.
I don`t think anyone (lovers or haters) would have predicted this would be the case (and has been for several months now)
Couldn`t agree more - all my game playing friends have an X360, only a fraction of that set has a PS3. If a multiplayer heavy game goes to both platform, which version am i going to buy? Seems pretty obvious.
jonabbey said:
I see your point, but I am platform neutral( In my perfect world ALL games would come out on all platforms) Hell I own a PSP, so it's not like I hate Sony. I just feel MS is preforming better in terms of getting games I like/selling for a good price/and generally far less bullshit than Sony.It seems they have a tighter vision for the future and more importantly the present.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
i would have absolutely LOVED to have heard the conversation between Stringer and Ken after he decided (seemingly on stage at TGS06 whilst delivering the most amazingly crazy keynote ever) to cut the price in Japan without , according to Stringer, consulting anyone.
That said - 60/80,000 yen PS3 in japan would have been horrific for them.
HocusPocus
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The PS3 is a movie player for me. The only games I've actually enjoyed on it are Super Startdust HD, Ninja Gaiden Sigma and Resistance. I already beat Ninja Gaiden on the original Xbox. I'll give Heavenly Sword a rental once my 360 versions of Medal of Honor and Stranglehold go back to GameFly. Only other game I'm wanting to check out this year on the system is Uncharted.
Secks4Food
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Bulla564 said:
Well we've been hearing it since launch for holiday '07 games, and they're all either worse looking or delayed to look better. Not that I doubt they will look better in the near future, but I wouldn't take it for granted either.
/shitty contribution to an equally shitty thread
GenericPseudonym
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Bulla564 said:
I've been heaing this since the 360 launch...
Secks4Food
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Bulla564 said:
Too bad you were talking about third party games originally.
Deputy Moonman
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I still think that a lot of it has to do with its pricing. Even for people who love Sony and would normally buy a playstation, you can't expect everyone to be able to afford a console over half a grand, let alone have people want to spend that much money even if they have it.
Wii = smooth move by Nintendo to monopolize younger market
PS3= boneheaded maneuver to create such an expensive monstrosity and just assume
everyone will still buy one
360= expensive, but still less than half a grand and will appeal to hardcore gamers more than
a Wii
Ultimately
Wii+360= End of PS(ofExpensiveCrap)3
Wii = smooth move by Nintendo to monopolize younger market
PS3= boneheaded maneuver to create such an expensive monstrosity and just assume
everyone will still buy one
360= expensive, but still less than half a grand and will appeal to hardcore gamers more than
a Wii
Ultimately
Wii+360= End of PS(ofExpensiveCrap)3
Secks4Food
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TEH-CJ said:
And this is a good excuse for inferior versions...how?
chubigans said:
If the chef made 150 steaks on the anticipation that they would all sell when the dinner crowd came, and the dinner crowd is ignoring his restaurant and instead eating a the diner across the street, leaving the chef with a pile of cooked steaks that he can't reuse (and thus a significant fiscal loss)....
Yeah, the chef's a failure.