jonabbey said:The PS3 has lost more money than the PS2 made? :lol
I realize that you don't want to believe it (and I agree that it does sound crazy), but it's true. Here're SCEI's fiscal year results from the release of the PS2 through March 31 2007. (Q1 FY 08.)-viper- said:So true. The amount of shit that comes out of some people on this forum is quite unbelievable.
FY Sony
2001 -409,000,000
2002 623,000,000
2003 939,000,000
2004 650,000,000
2005 404,000,000
2006 75,000,00
2007 -1,969,000,000
2008 -237,000,000 (Q1 only)
Totals 76,000,000
It's a possibility, but Blu-Ray has a long long way to go before it can be considered the successor to the DVD.DemDereNads said:Blu-Ray royalties, wha?
P90 said:That don't work on Iron Chef or when I go to a restaurant and pay big $$$.
"Bloomers" is a polite term for women's underwear, Segata. As the man-legend responsible for writing the thesaurus I thought you would know this.Segata Sanshiro said:Doom and bloom? Would 'bloomers' be people who think the PS3 is going to take off?
jarrod said:I like Microsoft's steak myself... lower price, equal quality and way more sides.![]()
I'm familiar with the term in that sense, but I can't help but think he grabbed the wrong word there.The Sphinx said:"Bloomers" is a polite term for women's underwear, Segata. As the man-legend responsible for writing the thesaurus I thought you would know this.
Not to me it hasn't... yet anyway. :/jonabbey said:What is this? Did the whole 360 hardware catastrophe not happen?
beermonkey@tehbias said:PS3 is more like a cow that you hope has potential to deliver great steak in the future.
And then it goes all 'mad cow' on ya.beermonkey@tehbias said:PS3 is more like a cow that you hope has potential to deliver great steak in the future.
Yeah, but Microsoft's steak requires also paying rent to share a table with your friends and family and enjoy it together.jarrod said:I like Microsoft's steak myself... lower price, equal quality and way more sides.![]()
Aurean_Mentat said:1) from the American Heritage Dictionary,
fail·ure (fāl'yər) Pronunciation Key
n.
1. The condition or fact of not achieving the desired end or ends: the failure of an experiment.
2. One that fails: a failure at one's career.
3. The condition or fact of being insufficient or falling short: a crop failure.
4. A cessation of proper functioning or performance: a power failure.
5. Nonperformance of what is requested or expected; omission: failure to report a change of address.
6. The act or fact of failing to pass a course, test, or assignment.
7. A decline in strength or effectiveness.
8. The act or fact of becoming bankrupt or insolvent.
Let's see, which apply to the Playstation 3? certainly #1, #3, #4, #5, #7.
jonabbey said:What is this? Did the whole 360 hardware catastrophe not happen? Equal quality?
Bulla564 said:The PS3 is a steak we ordered well, but came out a little rare. Fortunately, it is something that a little more time in the grill, and extra seasoning, will make it taste the same if not better than our previous steaks.
p.s. Many won't go for a burger, after they enjoy steak
p.s.s. The other steak restaurant is not really changing the menu that much, so not many new customers will be jumping in.
/Kojima.
GenericPseudonym said:The RRoD is bad, but its not terrible. I got it once, it took me all of two weeks to deal with and I got a free month of Live for my trouble. It wasn't that bad. Plus you pay to play, the 360 catalogue far and away destroys everything else.
jonabbey said:Unless you count backwards compatible titles, sure.
StevieP said:The best part is that the burger restaurant used to be called "Playstation".
StevieP said:And if you expect this particular cow to produce a similar 100million pieces of meat, you're in candyland.
PS I love steak. I have burger far more often, however. I'm like most other people.
PPS A battle between these 2 steak restaurants for 1/4 of the market is still futile compared to how much that burger restaurant is selling. The best part is that the burger restaurant used to be called "Playstation".
GenericPseudonym said:I spent $500 (CDN) for the "next gen" titles, not to play games I could have on a system I either already own or easily could own for less.
Edit: WTF changing your posts. What are these "network effects" you keep mentioning?
Bulla564 said:Nah... the PS2 was without a doubt a fine steak for gamers. That it sold like it did, was well justified. Compared to the steaks of this gen, the wii seems like just a burger.
Bulla564 said:Nah... the PS2 was without a doubt a fine steak for gamers. That it sold like it did, was well justified. Compared to the steaks of this gen, the wii seems like just a burger.
Perhaps he just quoted and translated this thread.Catchpenny said:I want to know how you get 207 pages out of overpriced, no games, difficult to program for and superior competition.
The chefs at Sony have, in my opinion, delivered a medium-rare and well aged t-bone steak (PS3). They are charging accordingly for it (more than most can afford). Unfortunately, burgers (like the Wii) are much cheaper and more popular with the mainstream. That doesn't mean the burger is better than the steak.
jonabbey said:What is this? Did the whole 360 hardware catastrophe not happen? Equal quality?
The PS3 is hurting in the network effects game right now, and Sony is going to have to step it up, absolutely. But there's nothing blocking in the system's hardware or software, it's all down to price, public perception (witness this thread), and developer support.
Has the PS3 got to the point where the market for it is going to collapse and it's never going to get any better than it is right now? Because that's what happened to the GameCube and the XBox. If Sony has lost heart, and aren't willing to even try to market, to cut deals, to get the games, to get the hardware sold, then yeah, the PS3 has failed.
If Sony still has the balls to make a fight about it, they still have some room to move, they do have Blu-Ray, they do have PS2 compatibilty and a large user base that might be persuadable to upsell so that they have a nice hi-def movie player under their TV that can still play their PS2 games, along with some (please, god, please) AAA titles that will be coming real soon now.
It's not a failure yet, it's in third place with piss-ass momentum and no evidence that Sony knows what to do about it yet.
If Sony shows that evidence, it's not over. The 360 has succeeded in part because the 25 million whatever XBox owners from last-gen liked their XBox just fine despite the second place finish it came to, and they were ready to sign on the dotted line with Microsoft this gen, despite the legendarily ridiculous hardware problems, the locked down hard drive, the expensive peripherals, the live cost.
Sony has fans too (we're the ones arguing this question here), and there are a lot of people out there with PS2's who haven't yet made the move to the next generation. If Sony can get some excitement going, if they can convert some of those PS2 hold outs, it's not over yet.
No matter how disappointed and frustrating us Sony fans find all of this right now.[/QUOTE
Good post, I only owned the Xbox last gen and had more killer titles than I could play.So if you are happy with what is being released for the PS3, Don't worry be happy,this is Sony's problem not yours.
DCharlie said:secondary problem for japan is that a dog product rarely , if ever, recovers.
JCBossman said:Good post, I only owned the Xbox last gen and had more killer titles than I could play.So if you are happy with what is being released for the PS3, Don't worry be happy,this is Sony's problem not yours.
That's the X360, not the PS3.
The more of your friends own a 360, the more likely you'll tip to buying a new game on the 360
DCharlie said:However, over at camp Sony, 20k peaks for the new Playstation must look horrific right about now.
I don`t think anyone (lovers or haters) would have predicted this would be the case (and has been for several months now)
jonabbey said:Well, see, that's the thing about network effects. If the network effects aren't running towards a platform you've invested in, that platform is ultimately worth a great deal less to you.
It's that aspect of network effects which makes fanboys so rabid in markets dominated by network effects. It's why the Blu-Ray and HD-DVD fans are so incredibly unpleasant to be around when they are 'talking' to each other.
If you own a Ford, it doesn't take away anything at all from the utility I can get from my Toyota.. we both drive on the same roads, we use the same gasoline, we can buy tires at all the same places, etc.
If you own only an XBox 360 and I own only a PS3, you are contributing (to whatever miniscule extent) to the strangulation of my platform in the network effects race, and I'm doing the same to you.
This, incidentally, is why Microsoft has Live.. Achievements and the integrated Friends system are tools to reinforce network effects on the 360. The more of your friends own a 360, the more likely you'll tip to buying a new game on the 360, even if that game happened to be slightly better in some other way on a competing platform. The more people on Live, the more Live is worth to the users who subscribe.
My biggest mystery about Sony this generation is why Sony isn't consciously, strategically targeting these effects the way Microsoft has. I guess they're trying, but they don't seem to have anyone as cunning or as machievellian as Microsoft has.
That must have been some good weed KK had the Sony BoD smoke to sign off on the PS3 at the MSRP it has.
Shamrock said:Sony lost because they committed the cardinal sin of console gaming
Though shalt not create a 600 dollar system in which the games look the same or worse than the 400 dollar system.
Bulla564 said:Enjoy this talking point. It won't be around much longer.
Bulla564 said:Enjoy this talking point. It won't be around much longer.
GenericPseudonym said:I've been heaing this since the 360 launch...
Bulla564 said:And it should have been confirmed in your mind after you saw the upcoming 1st party games...
Enjoy this talking point. It won't be around much longer.
Much longer? It's already out of date.Bulla564 said:Enjoy this talking point. It won't be around much longer.
Secks4Food said:Too bad you were talking about third party games originally.
TEH-CJ said:But the 3rd party games are ports
xabre said:I think with the expectations of it based upon its predecessors, the amount of money invested in it and its lacklusture prospects for the future I think the PS3 as 'a failure' is not an unreasonable conclusion. At least until this point anyway.
TEH-CJ said:But the 3rd party games are ports
Bulla564 said:There is where you fail massively.
chubigans said:Not if you've known the chef for several years, who has also delivered two delicious steaks in previous visits.
I like where this analogy is going!