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[Snkfanatic]

I remember talking to a coworker of mine one day about his kids. He said he let his kids watch horror movies and violent movies and games but as soon as anything sexual pops up he quickly turns it off. I really can't understand this idea...

 

[The Anti-Monitor]

Funny thing is, you don't believe me, but it's actually true.



Well, all but the brothel part, I'm just a regular customer.

You guys watch messed up porn. I never watch porn if the two (or more) performers aren't absolutely into it.

 

[Horse Detective]

You guys watch messed up porn. I never watch porn if the two (or more) performers aren't absolutely into it.

This.


Some of the porn-related discussion in here is incredibly confusing to me. Female porn actresses most certainly do not hate men, at least the majority of them.

 

[Forceatowulf]

Funny thing is, you don't believe me, but it's actually true.



Well, all but the brothel part, I'm just a regular customer.

You don't think that's a pretty gross over generalization? I'm sure there's more than a few who harbor bitterness towards men, probably for good reason, but all of them? Or even most?

I just don't know about that man.

You guys watch messed up porn. I never watch porn if the two (or more) performers aren't absolutely into it.

You're gonna sit here and tell me you've never seen a porno where the girl wasn't interested in having any kind of non-robotic connection with the male talent?

I don't care for it either, which I think I've made pretty clear. But I feel like you guys are denying it's very existence or something... which is weird.

 

[snap0212]

I'm sure you're even allowed to broadcast nude body parts all day (Playboy, not Hustler style) if it's part of the news (like the newest FEMEN protest, some sort live nude art) or if they are in the context of breast feeding, documentaries (tribal tits & dicks) or, again, art/theater.

Definitely, yes. What comes to mind are interviews with females who want to have a boob job. They always show before/after comparisons.

 

[The Anti-Monitor]

You're gonna sit here and tell me you've never seen a porno where the girl wasn't interested in having any kind of non-robotic connection with the male talent?

I don't care for it either, which I think I've made pretty clear. But I feel like you guys are denying it's very existence or something... which is weird.

I'm female, I have absolutely no interest whatsoever in porn if the people involved don't truly want to fuck their brains out.

It exists, and some people watch it, but saying all performers actually hate men or don't kiss is a gross exaggeration.

 

[Horse Detective]

You're gonna sit here and tell me you've never seen a porno where the girl wasn't interested in having any kind of non-robotic connection with the male talent?

Maybe in that Daisy Diamond scene with Noomi Rapace.

Never in actual porn.

 

[Forceatowulf]

I'm female, I have absolutely no interest whatsoever in porn if the people involved don't truly want to fuck their brains out.

It exists, and some people watch it, but saying all performers actually hate men or don't kiss is a gross exaggeration.

I agree completely. I don't know what jaxword is going on about honestly...

Maybe in that Daisy Diamond scene with Noomi Rapace.

Never in actual porn.

That is absolutely amazing to me...

From my perspective It's like someone saying they've never seen a movie use lens flare. How is this possible??

Oh and thanks very much for bringing up Daisy Diamond and Noomi Rapace did a sex scene. I've been crushing hard on Rapace for a while now and did not know about this. I don't know what movie that scene is from but it must be serious.. god damn..

edit- hmm I guess the name of the movie is Daisy Diamond. That clears some things up.

 

[JGS]

Sex content not being available to youngsters is a myth. What country exists where kids are more interested in sex before they are interested in violence or action (The same thing from an entertainment perspective)?

Kids aren't interested in erotica more than ninjas up to a certain age. Even as adult, sex never equates to action/violence unless you're actually engaged in it or a porn addict.

For the most part, it's all blended in so kids are thoroughly corrupted with both.

 

[snap0212]

"Making people feel good" also comes with the responsibility of creating lives. Raising children is expensive. This is why you don't encourage youth to 'make each other feel good.'

'Making a baby' and having sex are not necessarily the same thing, though.

Just wondering; do US folks have something compareable to Bravo? It's basically the magazine for the youth and it features full nude picture of males and females [I think you get some money if you expose yourself for the magazine, not sure] and it doesn't seem like anyone has a problem with that. Not sure how the magazine is these days though.

 

[jaxword]

You don't think that's a pretty gross over generalization? I'm sure there's more than a few who harbor bitterness towards men, probably for good reason, but all of them? Or even most?

No, I think it's pretty accurate. Most of the girls I pay for see their clients the same way as you do with your daily clients in retail/restaurant/service industry. You don't REALLY care that they have a nice day. Sure, you may not actively wish them ill will, but you certainly don't like them. They're just another body in a sea of bodies giving you money for a service.

I KNOW you've felt this disassociation with your customers if you've ever worked any job with a stream of people, day in, day out, serving the nice, the cruel, the ugly, the pretty, those who think they are better than you and those who treat you like people, until they all blend together. If you haven't worked in the service industry, you are either very sheltered or very rich.

Now imagine how disassociated you have to be to have sex with them, day in, day out. Go ask a hooker, truly, what she thinks about the men. Though be sure to do it after you've paid, the answer beforehand will be carefully rehearsed and not the truth anyways.

 

[antipod]

First post gets it.

As a swede, I feel that us having sex-ed earlier affects our view on sex. Its a more relaxed view, but movies, music and games with sex are 18+

Violence is 15+

Well that is not entirely true. First you are only semi-right if 'with sex' means porn. There are a lot of regular movies with a lot of sexual content that is 15+. You could probably find 11+ movies with naked breasts and mild sexual content.

And, there does not even exist a 18 year old limit on movies; the highest is 15 by law. Since 2011 there doesn't even exist a censorship on movies in Sweden. Any movie that isn't reviewed automatically gets a 15+. And movies will only get reviewed if the cinemas want anything lower than 15. It's the porn business themselves that put 18 on their products.

 

[Jedeye Sniv]

No, I think it's pretty accurate. Most of the girls I pay for see their clients the same way as you do with your daily clients in retail/restaurant/service industry. You don't REALLY care that they have a nice day. Sure, you may not actively wish them ill will, but you certainly don't like them. They're just another body in a sea of bodies giving you money for a service.

I KNOW you've felt this disassociation with your customers if you've ever worked any job with a stream of people, day in, day out, serving the nice, the cruel, the ugly, the pretty, those who think they are better than you and those who treat you like people, until they all blend together. If you haven't worked in the service industry, you are either very sheltered or very rich.

Now imagine how disassociated you have to be to have sex with them, day in, day out. Go ask a hooker, truly, what she thinks about the men. Though be sure to do it after you've paid, the answer beforehand will be carefully rehearsed and not the truth anyways.

You... have some odd ideas.

I'll tell you what though, when I worked in the service industry there was definitely a difference between the people I liked and the people I didn't.

But really, there is a world of difference between serving someone a meal, and having sex with them. I would be shocked if protitutes did not form some kind of relationship with their customers, even if it's not particularly deep. You simply can't spend 30 mins in someone's company without relating to them somehow.

Also, you make the whole thing sound even more seedy and depressing than I'd imagined. Yay freebies!

 

[G.O.O.]

Because porn leads to thinking it's OK to treat women in inappropriate ways.

I'm sure no one here thinks porn is realistic, but truth is that along with how sex is depicted in fiction, it messes with our perception more than we think.

On the other hand, violence is unambiguous.

 

[jorma]

Because porn leads to thinking it's OK to treat women in inappropriate ways.

I'm sure no one here thinks porn is realistic, but truth is that along with how sex is depicted in fiction, it messes with our perception more than we think.

On the other hand, violence is unambiguous.

How do you mean that violence is unambiguous?

 

[Gustav]

How do you mean that violence is unambiguous?

It's always considered bad.

 

[jorma]

It's always considered bad.

I doubt it, because that's a ridiculous assertion.

 

[Gustav]

I doubt it, because that's a ridiculous assertion.

Same here. Just trying to explain what he might mean.

 

[Enco]

violence is not private sex is.

This is pretty much the reason used.

Hardcore violence/hardcore sex should NOT be shown to children. Some light content is ok. Sex is more private than violence and neither should be encouraged to kids.

 

[jorma]

Same here. Just trying to explain what he might mean.

Yeah i got that =)

 

[G.O.O.]

How do you mean that violence is unambiguous?

Sex involves complex feelings that fiction generally fails to depict beyond basic attraction. Which is why so many people get frustrated when they see they don't have as much sex with hot women as people on TV do.

Violence isn't always considered bad but it's far more easy to get. Also, it's not private.

 

[Gustav]

Sex involves complex feelings that fiction generally fails to depict beyond basic attraction. Which is why so many people get frustrated when they see they don't have as much sex with hot women as people on TV do.

Violence isn't always considered bad but it's far more easy to get. Also, it's not private.

I wasn't allowed to see violent stuff as a kid (<10), either. Not even stuff like Power Rangers, apparently because it was live action.



The thing is, in these games, violence takes place in contexts in which violence is socially acceptable, e.g. wars and fighting rings/arenas. Games like GTA are more problematic in this regard. But then again, a LOT of people in the US bitched about GTA, as well, the same kind of people that would also bitch about nudity. So while the double standard is there to some degree, it's not as pronounced as is often believed.

Forget everything I wrote. I misread. I thought he said violence was always considered bad.

 

[jorma]

Sex involves complex feelings that fiction generally fails to depict beyond basic attraction. Which is why so many people get frustrated when they see they don't have as much sex with hot women as people on TV do.

Violence isn't always considered bad but it's far more easy to get. Also, it's not private.

This is just silly. When i saw Janet Jacksons boobs on superbowl (or would have if i had any interest), how did that invoke "complex feelings that fiction generally fails to depict beyond basic attraction" (wich is totally wrong on both ends)?

If murder is easier to get than boobies it's only because you've been conditioned to think that, not because of anything inherently "private" in those boobies.

 

[dinazimmerman]

I wasn't allowed to see violent stuff as a kid (<10), either. Not even stuff like Power Rangers, apparently because it was live action.

Not true, games like Gears of War for example reward (positive connotation) the player with violence when successfully pulling of a melee kill. Same with Mortal Combat, etc.

The thing is, in these games, violence takes place in contexts in which violence is socially acceptable, e.g. wars and fighting rings/arenas. Games like GTA are more problematic in this regard. But then again, a LOT of people in the US bitched about GTA, as well, the same kind of people that would also bitch about nudity. So while the double standard is there to some degree, it's not as pronounced as is often believed.

 

[G.O.O.]

This is just silly. When i saw Janet Jacksons boobs on superbowl (or would have if i had any interest), how did that invoke "complex feelings that fiction generally fails to depict beyond basic attraction" (wich is totally wrong on both ends)?

If murder is easier to get than boobies it's only because you've been conditioned to think that, not because of anything inherently "private" in those boobies.

I'm talking about sex. Breasts have virtually no reason to be private, which is why some women want to be allowed to go outside topless - to "de-sexualize" them.

 

[Bisnic]

When i heard that some americans give their 8 years old kids miniature version of real guns as gifts, nothing surprise me anymore about the violence content being more available. Although, its not just a US thing, Canada seems to be a bit like this too, even if we are not as obsessed about guns in real life.

 

[RotBot]

Because kids are unlikely to ever murder someone no matter how much violent content they consume, so parents don't care, but they're going to end up having sex eventually?

 

[monkey79]

Janet Jackson at the Superbowl happened.

Before that fateful incident, a nude scene or 2 was common in a PG-13 movie and violence was typically R. After Janet Jackson it flipped, violence in PG-13 movies and nudity in R movies.

I blame Justin Timberlake.

 

[Bay Maximus]

Because kids are unlikely to ever murder someone no matter how much violent content they consume, so parents don't care, but they're going to end up having sex eventually?

Murder is usually violent, but violence is not necessarily murder. And considering how many people seem to prone to violent behavior, I'm not sure if this explains it.

 

[~Devil Trigger~]

This is one of those first post wins things.

yep

 

[Baconsammy]

Both can leave quite a mess to clean up afterwards. But yeah, puritans would rather shoot you in the head than give head.

 

[Count of Monte Sawed-Off]

We don't want our kids constantly jerking off. Masturbation does not win wars.

 

[Bisnic]

We don't want our kids constantly jerking off. Masturbation does not win wars.

If everyone was masturbating instead of killing each other, there would be no wars!

 

[teruterubozu]

Because Lord of the Flies is required reading.

 

[Count of Monte Sawed-Off]

If everyone was masturbating instead of killing each other, there would be no wars!

There'd always be one standout, waiting and watching for the right time to do in the masturbators.

In the land of the constant masturbators the one eyed spitting snake is not king, it's the eunuchs.

 

[bengraven]

Because tits are scary. They make us think sexual things and cause us to blush and get embarassed. We think about playing with them constantly, so seeing cleavage on Sunday morning makes us lash out in anger brought upon by sexual frustration.

Now violence is fine. It's not real. It's so obviously fake in every movie or TV show you see. You can have sex with a hooker behind TGI Fridays, but you can't walk into a warehouse and kill ten people with one pistol clip.

Besides, kids need to defend themselves. Kids see guns and they want to go shoot something and that's admirable! And legal! We have the right to carry weapons in this country, but we don't have the right to prostitute ourselves off. So when a kid sees sex and thinks he can have sex, he needs to be put in check.




I'm totally fucking around, obviously.

 

[jaxword]

But really, there is a world of difference between serving someone a meal, and having sex with them. I would be shocked if protitutes did not form some kind of relationship with their customers, even if it's not particularly deep. You simply can't spend 30 mins in someone's company without relating to them somehow.

You misunderstand--the world of difference isn't as great as you'd think if it's your JOB.

How would you deal with having to have sex with 5-6 strangers a day, ugly, smart, cute, smelly, awkward, mean, day in day out?

Genuinely asking here. How would you force yourself to have sex with people you know will be gone in 30 mins? People who don't give a damn about you. People from all walks of life who may be kind or cruel but in the end have no connection to you.

 

[YoungHav]

I went to Germany and Switzerland recently and inside the convenience stores were nude magazines on the rack uncensored. I gasped in horror and cried tears for the children of these lawless nations. How does a society like that function?

Amurka!! Sex ed in school bad, give shotguns to children and let them kill animals good!!

 

[The Anti-Monitor]

I went to Germany and Switzerland recently and inside the convenience stores were nude magazines on the rack uncensored. I gasped in horror and cried tears for the children of these lawless nations. How does a society like that function?

Amurka!! Sex ed in school bad, give shotguns to children and let them kill animals good!!

Wait, the magazine thing doesn't happen in America?

When I was much younger and went there to buy comics and stuff there were always plenty of nude magazines. When I went with boys they usually giggled and peeked at them but other than that nobody gives a shit.

 

[YoungHav]

Wait, the magazine thing doesn't happen in America?

When I was much younger and went there to buy comics and stuff there were always plenty of nude magazines. When I went with boys they usually giggled and peeked at them but other than that nobody gives a shit.

The trend I notice here is if they have magazines they cover the front cover with a paper sheet so that you only see the title. Or they keep em hidden in some section of the store.

 

[Wray]

I feel like I'm in the Game of Thrones thread right now.

In the land of the constant masturbators the one eyed spitting snake is not king, it's the eunuchs.

 

[Horse Detective]

Oh and thanks very much for bringing up Daisy Diamond and Noomi Rapace did a sex scene. I've been crushing hard on Rapace for a while now and did not know about this. I don't know what movie that scene is from but it must be serious.. god damn..

edit- hmm I guess the name of the movie is Daisy Diamond. That clears some things up.

I think she has been in more than one movie where she has really graphic sex scenes, which is amazing, because it makes me love Scandinavia even more.

Noomi has a weird body, but I don't know what it is, I think she is so hot.

 

[Devolution]

First reply but to expand I've been reading this book called Sex and Punishment and it isn't until certain cultures were adopted and become widespread (see various Abrahemic religions) that sex becomes this "unpure"/dirty act that must be behind closed doors and never spoken of. Religion really brought "shame" to the table and we're still treating sex that way.

 

[Emily Chu]

doesn't the internet means free and easy access to everything and anything for all within a wifi signal ?

 

[Mangotron]

I think violent content is often shown to children earlier because the age at which one can understand the concept is much lower. It's perfectly reasonable to expect a child to be able to see someone getting punched and know not to do it themselves.

The level of mental faculty that is required to navigate a sexual relationship is beyond that of some adults, let alone a kid who can barely deal with their friends. It's not so much that sex is bad, it's just that it's much less concrete then violence.

That said, I'm not particularly in favor of young kids being exposed to either, especially when they just get thrown into it without any kind of parental guidance.

 

[ReBurn]

Because of boobies.

 

[SpiffyG]

Our war-mongering overlords are burrowing into the subconscious of the masses that world wars are inevitable.

 

[.GqueB.]

There are reasons but I'm not entirely sure.

To me, sex is more personal and relatable than violence so it naturally leads to more discomfort. I still feel kind of weird when a sex scene comes on TV and my little cousins are in the room. I turn the channel instantly. There's just something about it. Even their reaction to it is different than it would be to violence. And keep in mind that adults don't exclusively feel weird about the whole thing. I remember covering my eyes as a child when sex scenes came on as well.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

You guys watch messed up porn. I never watch porn if the two (or more) performers aren't absolutely into it.

Girl-on-girl porn where both are pretty into it is the best.

If no one's really into it and it's on autopilot, I get sad

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

As far as movies tv and games go violence is fake. a head being shot for example is fake but a breast, penis, vagina or bad language is real.