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[BurntPork]

I don't see a Q4 2012 launch happening at all. I think the latest we see this thing is July.

Why? Everything point to a spring/summer release.

Why do you say that?

It seems to confirm that Nintendo wasn't originally planning to show it at E3, but the leaks forced their hand. It really seems unlikely that Nintendo would reveal a console somewhere other than E3, however.

Note that I only said "more" likely. I still think that mid 2012 is possible. However, I don't think that it'll launch before E3 2012.

 

[EloquentM]

It seems to confirm that Nintendo wasn't originally planning to show it at E3, but the leaks forced their hand. It really seems unlikely that Nintendo would reveal a console somewhere other than E3, however.

Note that I only said "more" likely. I still think that mid 2012 is possible. However, I don't think that it'll launch before E3 2012.

I agree with this. E3 showed how unprepared Nintendo was in regards to announcing a new console. their shows are much more organized than what we saw last month and the leaks didn't help in their favor one bit.

 

[guek]

hmm...I dunno. I think they'll launch as soon as possible in order to not lose momentum on the wii branding. I think that's their strategy.

I wouldn't be surprised if they held off until holiday 2012 though. The 3DS showed them you can't launch a platform all half baked.

 

[Mr_Brit]

hmm...I dunno. I think they'll launch as soon as possible in order to not lose momentum on the wii branding. I think that's their strategy.

I wouldn't be surprised if they held off until holiday 2012 though. The 3DS showed them you can't launch a platform all half baked.

I agree. Wii will be a dead platform by Late 2012. Also, they should put as a large a gap as possible between them and the next Sony and MS consoles.

On the software front: 3DS software isn't coming as it's difficult to create games for it as you have to make a separate 3DS version whilst with Wii U it should be very easy to port most games quickly so it shouldn't have the same problems.

 

[Kyzer]

I feel like Ubi's little conference totally blew up in Nintendo's face. After they stated the two companies shared similar philosophies in gaming, which I would assume is something that stems from Ubi releasing games like Raving Rabbids and Nintendogs ripoffs, Ubi shows Ghost Recon and a raunchy offensive arcade shooter with plenty of over the top violence.

 

[BurntPork]

I agree. Wii will be a dead platform by Late 2012. Also, they should put as a large a gap as possible between them and the next Sony and MS consoles.

On the software front: 3DS software isn't coming as it's difficult to create games for it as you have to make a separate 3DS version whilst with Wii U it should be very easy to port most games quickly so it shouldn't have the same problems.

The same could be said of the DS, and look how that turned out. It'll start slow, but if 3DS becomes popular, engines will be made for it. It's too early to start yelling "DOOOOOOOOOMED!" on the software front, especially since 3DS actually can use some current-gen assets.

And as for the launch date, that was not the type of conference you give for a platform less than a year away, especially with Nintendo. They're most likely looking at September.

 

[fabricated backlash]

I agree with this. E3 showed how unprepared Nintendo was in regards to announcing a new console. their shows are much more organized than what we saw last month and the leaks didn't help in their favor one bit.

Remember the 3DS unveiling? There were barely any playable games.

And since the Wii U will probably get 99% 360 up ports at launch, the timeframe itself isn't that unrealistic.

 

[EloquentM]

Remember the 3DS unveiling? There were barely any playable games.

And since the Wii U will probably get 99% 360 up ports at launch, the timeframe itself isn't that unrealistic.

That's true but even with that being said I hope nintendy learns from the mistakes of the 3DS :/

 

[BurntPork]

Remember the 3DS unveiling? There were barely any playable games.

And since the Wii U will probably get 99% 360 up ports at launch, the timeframe itself isn't that unrealistic.

Still, it was organized and much more of a spectacle. Wii U was such a mess that it would have looked better if they had just shown the console and the controller, but absolutely nothing else.

Also, if Nintendo plans to only have 3rd-party ports at launch, they're out of their minds. Also, if they think that NSMBMii and all of those playable demos qualify as HD games, a lot of people need to be fired, seriously. Sorry, but I still can't believe that Nintendo was dumb enough to have those as the only playable games AND to make them the primary showcase during that first video at the conference. Seeing those just pissed me off. I seriously thought that the console was nothing more than a Wii with just enough of a power boost to get Wii games in HD. >_> Those games better all be part of a pack-in or else sold for $15. That was Nintendo's second biggest insult this year.

... Sorry, had to get that off my chest.

 

[Mr_Brit]

Still, it was organized and much more of a spectacle. Wii U was such a mess that it would have looked better if they had just shown the console and the controller, but absolutely nothing else.

Also, if Nintendo plans to only have 3rd-party ports at launch, they're out of their minds. Also, if they think that NSMBMii and all of those playable demos qualify as HD games, a lot of people need to be fired, seriously. Sorry, but I still can't believe that Nintendo was dumb enough to have those as the only playable games AND to make them the primary showcase during that first video at the conference. Seeing those just pissed me off. I seriously thought that the console was nothing more than a Wii with just enough of a power boost to get Wii games in HD. >_> Those games better all be part of a pack-in or else sold for $15. That was Nintendo's second biggest insult this year.

... Sorry, had to get that off my chest.

I doubt Nintendo would be dumb enough to launch the console with only those Mii games.

 

[fabricated backlash]

That's true but even with that being said I hope nintendy learns from the mistakes of the 3DS :/

Well their biggest mistake was to let 3rd parties get away with this kind of support. The few examples like capcom and Tecmo have brought great games to the plattform allready, but Ubisoft in particular has really used the plattform as a shovelware and junksoftware dump so far. Nintendo should have demanded better games for launch. I mean they even gave 3rd parties a head start by not releasing a big title to begin with... and what were the 3rd party publishers bringing? Ports, second rate cellphone garbage and more crap. You don't beat Nintendo by bringing your lowest effort.

The thing is, the games that the Wii U is likely getting at launch are all late generation stuff with high budgets and optimized level design, that runs smooth on 360 and PS3 and if the developers aren't completely incompetent (and interviews with the Darksiders devs show that it should actually be fairly easy to develop for it), the games should easily tie, if not be the better console option at the Wii U's launch.

The only real problem that I can see is that for most of those games, the difference in features and looks will be very very subtle during launch. But at least the games quality will be a lot higher than what the 3DS was getting at launch.

 

[BurntPork]

I doubt Nintendo would be dumb enough to launch the console with only those Mii games.

Oh, of course they wouldn't. I'm just hoping that they have first-party games in addition to those ports and Killer Freaks, and that NSMBMii gets a graphical overhaul. I really think the NSMBMii would be a game-changing launch title. (Though, the inevitable market confusion resulting from the name might just kill that, causing people to buy the game thinking that Wii can play it, then just complaining when they learn that it can't.) And I really hope that Pikmin 3 makes it for launch.

 

[fabricated backlash]

Still, it was organized and much more of a spectacle. Wii U was such a mess that it would have looked better if they had just shown the console and the controller, but absolutely nothing else.

Also, if Nintendo plans to only have 3rd-party ports at launch, they're out of their minds. Also, if they think that NSMBMii and all of those playable demos qualify as HD games, a lot of people need to be fired, seriously. Sorry, but I still can't believe that Nintendo was dumb enough to have those as the only playable games AND to make them the primary showcase during that first video at the conference. Seeing those just pissed me off. I seriously thought that the console was nothing more than a Wii with just enough of a power boost to get Wii games in HD. >_> Those games better all be part of a pack-in or else sold for $15. That was Nintendo's second biggest insult this year.

... Sorry, had to get that off my chest.

You are extremely over reacting. Just like with the Wii, Nintendo made those demos to showcase the gameplay possibilities. They made it clear as day that that is what they are doing. The Wii controller demos were simple untextured geometry based demos.

The problem is, People were expecting Nintendo to dedicate the conference and demos to talk about the graphical prowess of the console. But thats not what they did.

Hell after E3 2010, people were just as confused about the hardware power of the 3DS, from high N64 to low Dreamcast levels there was everything in there in terms of speculations.

To me, I must say I would've liked more tech talk and demos showcasing the graphics, and maybe even something from Retro studios, but at least what they showed gameplay wise was great.

Oh, of course they wouldn't. I'm just hoping that they have first-party games in addition to those ports and Killer Freaks, and that NSMBMii gets a graphical overhaul. I really think the NSMBMii would be a game-changing launch title. (Though, the inevitable market confusion resulting from the name might just kill that, causing people to buy the game thinking that Wii can play it, then just complaining when they learn that it can't.) And I really hope that Pikmin 3 makes it for launch.

Nsmb Mii would be the premier Download game for launch. Watch the online adoption skyrocket right from the start from the console. A killer app for 20 bucks or free on launch day.
Hey one can dream right.

 

[guek]

From what I’ve seen, it looks pretty cool. It seems like you can stream your game from your television directly to your [tablet] controller, so if you have irritable bowel syndrome, or a small bladder, you can still play it in the toilet. That’s great. But, you know, from what people are saying online, they’re like, 'Oh, it’s just a DreamCast, whatever.' But it’s like, 'Dude, what’s old is new sometimes.' The Power Glove [back on NES] led to the Wii, right? The Virtual Boy led to the 3DS, right? A lot of these older technologies that you forget about are [the technological predecessors]. The Kinect is a sophisticated webcam, right? So I’m just dying to see it. It’s Nintendo. I’ll buy it. I know I’ll buy it. They’ll talk sh*t but they’ll buy it.

nice to hear

 

[Shiggy]

I still cannot really see that streaming thing work. What about Wii Remote games? What if a game uses both screens?

 

[DaSorcerer7]

From what I’ve seen, it looks pretty cool. It seems like you can stream your game from your television directly to your [tablet] controller, so if you have irritable bowel syndrome, or a small bladder, you can still play it in the toilet. That’s great. But, you know, from what people are saying online, they’re like, 'Oh, it’s just a DreamCast, whatever.' But it’s like, 'Dude, what’s old is new sometimes.' The Power Glove [back on NES] led to the Wii, right? The Virtual Boy led to the 3DS, right? A lot of these older technologies that you forget about are [the technological predecessors]. The Kinect is a sophisticated webcam, right? So I’m just dying to see it. It’s Nintendo. I’ll buy it. I know I’ll buy it. They’ll talk sh*t but they’ll buy it.

Cool.

link

 

[Father_Brain]

It seems to confirm that Nintendo wasn't originally planning to show it at E3, but the leaks forced their hand.

Considering that the very first leak published stated that it would be shown at E3, I very much doubt that. Now, whether they changed their E3 showing quite a bit from what was originally planned... that's considerably more plausible.

 

[[Nintex]]

Nintendo certainly has core HD games in production and at least one big title is ready for launch. Miyamoto already confirmed that Pikmin was moved to the new system. The main 'problem' is that they want to focus on 3DS this holiday season and give the Wii one final holiday season. They don't want to canabilize Wii sales just yet.

When 2011 is over we'll probably see a lot of announcements and reactions like: "Where the hell did that come from?"

 

[Hiltz]

EA comments on Wii U hardware:

"It's a high definition platform and I love the controller. I just think it’s cool. You’re a gamer - so you’ve got the screen here [in your hands] and you’ve got the [TV] screen there and you’ve got full control. Personally, while there’s some great experiences on Move, and there’s some great experiences on Kinect, I’m not a motion control guy. It’s still too imprecise for me. I like shooting something and hitting it. I like turning a corner and feeling precision. So I still like my swizzle sticks and my shoulder buttons and my Xs and Os, etc. But there is something about having that second screen that transcends anything I’ve ever done before. I can draw a pass pattern for Madden, I can be playing an FPS up here while I’m calling in air strikes or whatever I want to do. I can give all the detailed control off the screen, I can see another part of a map... I always find it breaks the spell for me when I’m playing a game with a squad and I have to stop the action and move up for them. Now I can just move them down here [on the tablet]. I think there’s something really powerful about a second screen that I think really matters. I think we’re just beginning to realize what we can do with it and I think it’s obvious we can do a lot with it." - EA CEO

http://www.industrygamers.com/news/nintendo-wii-u-transcends-anything-before-it-says-ea-ceo/

 

[duk]

of course cliffy b will buy it, he has $ to burn and he loves ninty... making games for it on the other hand...

 

[DaSorcerer7]

EA comments on Wii U hardware:

"It's a high definition platform and I love the controller. I just think it’s cool. You’re a gamer - so you’ve got the screen here [in your hands] and you’ve got the [TV] screen there and you’ve got full control. Personally, while there’s some great experiences on Move, and there’s some great experiences on Kinect, I’m not a motion control guy. It’s still too imprecise for me. I like shooting something and hitting it. I like turning a corner and feeling precision. So I still like my swizzle sticks and my shoulder buttons and my Xs and Os, etc. But there is something about having that second screen that transcends anything I’ve ever done before. I can draw a pass pattern for Madden, I can be playing an FPS up here while I’m calling in air strikes or whatever I want to do. I can give all the detailed control off the screen, I can see another part of a map... I always find it breaks the spell for me when I’m playing a game with a squad and I have to stop the action and move up for them. Now I can just move them down here [on the tablet]. I think there’s something really powerful about a second screen that I think really matters. I think we’re just beginning to realize what we can do with it and I think it’s obvious we can do a lot with it." - EA CEO

http://www.industrygamers.com/news/nintendo-wii-u-transcends-anything-before-it-says-ea-ceo/

EA seems to be firmly on board.

 

[lednerg]

I still cannot really see that streaming thing work. What about Wii Remote games? What if a game uses both screens?

The Wii U controller includes a small sensor bar above the screen, where the camera is. (Since the sensor bar is small, it will act as if it is further away than it really is.) All it really needs is a stand to place it in so it will stay upright on a table.

 

[Strife91]

Like many of you I'm concerned about the specs of the console. I don't need it to be a beast of a console. 2 to 4 times the power of current gen would have been fine. I want to feel like I've done an upgrade and not like I'm stuck in last-gen.

(and please no PC comments)

 

[Sadist]

Riccitiello seems more psyched about it than when he announced they were bringing some "serious support" to Wii.

Can I have Dead Space 3 on Wii U with Wiimote support to boot EA? Pretty please?

Spoiler

Yes I'm serious

 

[Strife91]

Can I have Dead Space 3 on Wii U with Wiimote support to boot EA? Pretty please?

Honestly, a Dead Space 3 with Wii-mote support would have been awesome. Tilting with your weapon would be far more immersive and simple to do.

 

[DaSorcerer7]

Riccitiello seems more psyched about it than when he announced they were bringing some "serious support" to Wii.

Can I have Dead Space 3 on Wii U with Wiimote support to boot EA? Pretty please?

Spoiler

Yes I'm serious

that would be sick

 

[Sagitario]

The Wii U controller includes a small sensor bar above the screen, where the camera is. (Since the sensor bar is small, it will act as if it is further away than it really is.) All it really needs is a stand to place it in so it will stay upright on a table.

The sensor bar will be included:

 

[blu]

of course cliffy b will buy it, he has $ to burn and he loves ninty... making games for it on the other hand...

Erm, CliffyB makes games for whatever platform Mark Rein makes engines for..

 

[BurntPork]

You are extremely over reacting. Just like with the Wii, Nintendo made those demos to showcase the gameplay possibilities. They made it clear as day that that is what they are doing. The Wii controller demos were simple untextured geometry based demos.

The problem is, People were expecting Nintendo to dedicate the conference and demos to talk about the graphical prowess of the console. But thats not what they did.

Hell after E3 2010, people were just as confused about the hardware power of the 3DS, from high N64 to low Dreamcast levels there was everything in there in terms of speculations.

To me, I must say I would've liked more tech talk and demos showcasing the graphics, and maybe even something from Retro studios, but at least what they showed gameplay wise was great.

Yeah, I know. I was just pissed-off for the few minutes before that was cleared-up, especially because of who i was talking to at the time.

Nsmb Mii would be the premier Download game for launch. Watch the online adoption skyrocket right from the start from the console. A killer app for 20 bucks or free on launch day.
Hey one can dream right.

Not possible, simply because If the Wii U only shipping with 8GB of storage and NSMBMii having a huge "casual" appeal.

 

[lednerg]

The sensor bar will be included:

http://i.imgur.com/6C06F.jpg

Yeah, I know. He was asking about using the Wii U screen by itself, and how that would work with Wiimote games.

 

[walking fiend]

EA seems to be firmly on board.

I SO believe we will se Oriigiin on Wii U. I SO believe it. They could just make so much money of it.

Yeah, I know. He was asking about using the Wii U screen by itself, and how that would work with Wiimote games.

well, the bigger problem will be where will those who use the wiimote see the action? definitely not on the 6 inch controller. I think it may have some other purposes.

Not possible, simply because If the Wii U only shipping with 8GB of storage and NSMBMii having a huge "casual" appeal

Ghost recon online will be available for 10$ as digital download, maybe at launch?

 

[Plinko]

EA seems to be firmly on board.

...and then puts out last year's version of Madden with no franchise mode at launch and complains when it doesn't sell.

Seriously, though, I hope they give the system a lot of support. It would be beneficial to both Nintendo and EA.

 

[walking fiend]

...and then puts out last year's version of Madden with no franchise mode at launch and complains when it doesn't sell.

Seriously, though, I hope they give the system a lot of support. It would be beneficial to both Nintendo and EA.

well, they started to put on a very good support. Madden on Wii was really good; Tiger Woods on Wii has been the best version and they added one of the best M+ support. It got all music games. They bothered with DS:Extraction as exclusive. Boom Blox Series. NHL Slapshot was really good. it got one MoH exclusive. some kart racing and sims games exclusive, it got spore as Wright promised, etc.

EA support for Wii was pretty solid, at least at the beginning; considering how Wii alienated core gamers and its lack of graphics prowess, it is quite understandable that wii didn't see ports of Deadspace, BF, etc.

 

[BurntPork]

Ghost recon online will be available for 10$ as digital download, maybe at launch?

Is that confirmed?

EDIT: Googled it. That's really cool, actually.

 

[Plinko]

well, they started to put on a very good support. Madden on Wii was really good; Tiger Woods on Wii has been the best version and they added one of the best M+ support. It got all music games. They bothered with DS:Extraction as exclusive. Boom Blox Series. NHL Slapshot was really good. it got one MoH exclusive. some kart racing and sims games exclusive, it got spore as Wright promised, etc.

EA support for Wii was pretty solid, at least at the beginning; considering how Wii alienated core gamers and its lack of graphics prowess, it is quite understandable that wii didn't see ports of Deadspace, BF, etc.

Yeah, I was really joking--their Wii support was phenomenal (and I don't care what anybody says--NHL Slapshot is the best NHL game to be released in ages. I've had a ton of fun with that one) but I was referring to their 3DS launch of Madden. Tiger Woods was great on the Wii, as was Boom Blox.

I truly believe EA will have all guns blazing with the Wii U.

 

[Hiltz]

Like many of you I'm concerned about the specs of the console. I don't need it to be a beast of a console. 2 to 4 times the power of current gen would have been fine. I want to feel like I've done an upgrade and not like I'm stuck in last-gen.

The cool thing about being just a Wii owner is that that situation with improved quality of graphics won't matter much to us. Even a current-gen upgrade will feel like a next-gen upgrade!


Even though we're still left in the dark about what the Wii U' power will be, developer Vigil Games (Dark Siders 2), did recently state that the console is capable of higher resolution textures than the 360 and PS3 so there's that. It's obviously still early until we can expect to learn the finer details of the console's tech specs.

 

[Sagitario]

Yeah, I know. He was asking about using the Wii U screen by itself, and how that would work with Wiimote games.

Ooops! I misunderstood the comments

 

[evilromero]

Remember the 3DS unveiling? There were barely any playable games.

And since the Wii U will probably get 99% 360 up ports at launch, the timeframe itself isn't that unrealistic.

Which seems to be a reflection of the current line-up of games.

 

[walking fiend]

The cool thing about being just a Wii owner is that that situation with improved quality of graphics won't matter much to us. Even a current-gen upgrade will feel like a next-gen upgrade!


Even though we're still left in the dark about what the Wii U's graphical Vigil Games (Dark Siders 2), did recently state that the console is capable of higher resolution textures than the 360 and PS3 so there's that. It's obviously still early until we can expect to learn the finer details of the console's tech specs.

almost same here. I played on high end PC till 2006, being fed with shooters and not game catching my interest, and HD not being really important to me because I had that on PC, I opted to only buy a Wii. Graphically, games advanced on console much after 2006 till now, however I haven't bothered with either upgrading my pc or buying 360/PS3. So even if launch titles are as good at the higher echelon of current HD gen, it will be just fine for me.

---
on a side note, Gearbox confirmed that: "texture resolution of the Wii U version of the Aliens game they are working, will be higher than whatever current gen consoles have produced."
Definitely higher than 720P, maybe 1080P?

Which seems to be a reflection of the current line-up of games.

even PS2 got its bigger hitters only 1 year after release (DMC, FFX, Twisted Metal, MGS2, etc); and it was PS2 and not a handheld. Not to say 3DS is good right now, but it is not as catastrophic as some try to make it look. in a few months, this situation will be very different though.

 

[Mr_Brit]

Which seems to be a reflection of the current line-up of games.

3DS is strange in that games announced a long time ago seem to still be very far out when they should be nearly done. Take the MGS 3 'port', there's no reason that shouldn't have been a launch title.

 

[fabricated backlash]

Not possible, simply because If the Wii U only shipping with 8GB of storage and NSMBMii having a huge "casual" appeal.

I think with 8gb internal storage you could download about 8 to 16 copies of NSMB Mii. I would be surprised if NSMB Wii is bigger than 500 MB (didn't bother to look how big the actual game is)

And then again we're talking about internal storage as if anyone here would really know if there is any final word on that.

 

[[Nintex]]

3DS is strange in that games announced a long time ago seem to still be very far out when they should be nearly done. Take the MGS 3 'port', there's no reason that shouldn't have been a launch title.

I think the move from Tegra to Pica had something to do with that, but we'll never get the full story.

 

[walking fiend]

3DS is strange in that games announced a long time ago seem to still be very far out when they should be nearly done. Take the MGS 3 'port', there's no reason that shouldn't have been a launch title.

making analogies between 3DS and Wii U can be absurd in general, even if we say that 3DS is really in a bad shape:

- Most importantly, 3DS is handheld, and DS although quite more successful than even Wii, got much less proper support from Western developers.
- 3DS had a sever issue with porting games to it, so much it needs at least semi exclusives; Wii U can get only ports from 3rd parties, and even that would be more than enough coupled with Nintendo exclusives.
- Wii U seemingly is quite easy to port two.

I think with 8gb internal storage you could download about 8 to 16 copies of NSMB Mii.

nsmb wii is, as long as I remember, around 370MB.
edit: scrubbed, it is actually 357MB.

And then again we're talking about internal storage as if anyone here would really know if there is any final word on that.

considering it is flash memory, we shouldn't expect it to be much higher because of the cost (considering it is nintendo, and that it is cheap, I really believe it will be 8 at most, 16 will be a dream)

The console will have internal flash memory, as well as the option to expand its memory using either an SD memory card or an external USB hard disk drive

 

[BurntPork]

on a side note, Gearbox confirmed that: "texture resolution of the Wii U version of the Aliens game they are working, will be higher than whatever current gen consoles have produced."
Definitely higher than 720P, maybe 1080P?

He simply means that it has a high texture resolution as a result of the extra RAM. It has nothing to do with the rendering resolution.

 

[AceBandage]

EA seems to be firmly on board.

Not a surprise.
Nintendo seems to be kissing up to EA, Activision and Ubisoft a LOT with the Wii U. We should see some good stuff come from this.

 

[rezuth]

Erm, CliffyB makes games for whatever platform Mark Rein makes engines for..

Nah, he'll just give it to Chair and say "Make it work"

 

[walking fiend]

He simply means that it has a high texture resolution as a result of the extra RAM. It has nothing to do with the rendering resolution.

what will higher texture resolution do if the whole game is not going to be rendered at a higher resolution?

edit: I am really illiterate on these issues, but maybe when zoomed in we will still get a decent textured surface?

 

[DaSorcerer7]

Not a surprise.
Nintendo seems to be kissing up to EA, Activision and Ubisoft a LOT with the Wii U. We should see some good stuff come from this.

I'm expecting mass effect 3 ...EA/bioware get on it.

 

[Sipowicz]

i'm guessing the wii u is going to bomb spectacularly. think worse than the 3DS, for much the same reasons as the 3DS

nintendo trying keep up with the joneses never works out well

 

[Plinko]

i'm guessing the wii u is going to bomb spectacularly. think worse than the 3DS, for much the same reasons as the 3DS

nintendo trying keep up with the joneses never works out well

Except this isn't Nintendo "keeping up with the joneses" in any way, shape, or form. That's not even close to what is happening here.

They're adding another new way to play with the tablet controller, just like they did with the Wii and the Wiimote. This time it will be in HD.

It could very well bomb but it won't be because they're "keeping up with the joneses."